Bupe suboxone vacation with heroin

[roell29]

I cannot believe how shitty this situation is. AFoaF has been taking suboxone as an antidepressant for around 10 years. He take a tiny amount through insufflation (snorting) each day. In fact one of those 8mg tablets actually lasts him a whole month. So he wanted to try some heroin that he bought from silk road. Wanted to feel really good for the first time in his life. Come to find that this horrible fucking suboxone is not only not going to leave his receptors for possibly a very long time while making him feel dope sick throughout that time but will also prevent him from getting relief by the use of this high quality heroin he just bought. And the worst thing of all is when he takes this heroin it actually makes him feel *more* dope sick for some fucking reason. What diabolical scientist came up with this goddamn shitty fucking piece of shit drug called suboxone? It fine when you're on it but try to come off it - holy fuck! Also, it apparently causes brain damage from long-term use since his memory is seriously deteriorating.

 

[sailor bugg]

Is this a aFoaF really you?

Anyways what do you expect from using a drug for 10 years and then just trying to cold turkey it? Just like any drug there will be withdrawals, mind you if you were taking one 8mg tablet per month I doubt your w/d's will be that bad, you're using like 250mg a day that's not very much at all, don't be such a baby and be glad you aren't w/ding from 10 years of benzo use or something. And if you need dope to feel better than you ever have, then you either haven't lived a lot or are really mis-informed about down.

 

[The Doc.]

0.25mgs a day???
You got bunk heroin man Suboxone doesn't block heroin at doses so low I take 1-2mgs a day and I can use heroin one hour after that dose without any blocking happening at all.
Buying dope on line is not smart and you most likely got ripped off and if you say you actually get dope sick from doing the heroin on top of sub then its something bad mixed in the stuff you got (it certainly isn't heroin that's for sure)
I don't know where you get your information from but your receptors don't start getting saturated until about 3-4mgs (sublingual) and about 2mgs (insufflated) even so some people can feel it come on stronger still up to 8mgs a day so it all depends I suppose its not the most farfetched idea that you would get a bit of blocking from 0.25mgs of bupe a day since everyone reacts differently to drugs but any decent heroin would break through that for sure but it is a fact Suboxone doesn't blcok opiates when taken in low doses(3mg and under)

 

[The Doc.]

Also if someone told you are that you get sick if you do heroin while on sub then they are very misinformed about Suboxone/subutex because if you take heroin while on low dose sub(3mg and under) you will still have some receptors open to let heroin attach to them meaning you will get high and if you take high dose sub (6mgs+) then nothing should happen if you use heroin on top you should feel the same way you did the second before doing the heroin cause the heroin can't attach to any receptors the sub is stuck to all your receptors not letting any heroin pass but this won't make you sick my friend so if you did get sick and its not just in your mind cause someone told you some bad info then you got some poison or something instead of heroin.

 

[sailor bugg]

I was on subs/methadone for two and a half years at 8mg sub/25mg methadone and I could use even use really bad down and still get at least buzzed. I'm sure if you're only taking 250mg or so of subs per day and you have no opiate tolerance other then from the subs then doing down should get you high. Unless your down is really bunk.

 

[roell29]

Man, I've been taking it for 10 years as an antidepressant. Do you snort it? Much more efficient that way. It's a designer drug. It doesn't work like other drugs. Everyone assumes the more you take, the more it affects you but it doesn't work that way. It's designed for anti-abuse. A tiny amount is all you need and more make no difference.You're all just imagining it works the same way as other recreational drugs work but it doesn't. Do you think they'd hand them out like candy to former heroin addicts if the more you took the better you felt? Nope. I've read many comments from people who say it was the hardest drug to kick of any they've taken. A very long half-life and if you're a long-term user it's much worse. Also, the vendor I bought from on silk road is top-rated - has done thousands of deals and everyone is extremely satisfied with his product.

 

[sailor bugg]

Man, I've been taking it for 10 years as an antidepressant. Do you snort it? Much more efficient that way. It's a designer drug. It doesn't work like other drugs. Everyone assumes the more you take, the more it affects you but it doesn't work that way. It's designed for anti-abuse. A tiny amount is all you need and more make no difference. You're all just imagining it works the same way as other recreational drugs work but it doesn't. I read many comments from people who say it was the hardest drug to kick of any they've taken. A very long half-life and if you're a long-term user it's much worse. Do you think they'd give them out like candy to former heroin addicts if the more you took the better you felt? Nope. Also, the vendor I bought from on silk road is top-rated - has done hundreds of deals and everyone is extremely satisfied with his product.

Suboxone is a designer drug……..

I'm sure something along the lines of this plays over and over in your head every time a thought pops into your head…..

 

[The Doc.]

Why would you snort something that gives the same effect as putting it under the tounge especially if it's destroying your nasal cavities with citric acid added to a pill that's already bad for the nose. And your on the right rack with SOME of your info but you can still get further effects the morr you do up until you reach 3mgs 0.25mgs is not the ceiling dose I take 0.2 mgs of sub 3 times a day and have for years if I add another 1mg of sub then I will feel that extra 1mg on top of my normal dose but if I take an extra say 4mg or 8mgs then thats unnecessary because you could've got the same effect from only 1mg.

Less is more with bupe but only to a certain point when taking mocrogram doses you don't reach the ceiling point until about 2-3mgs as I have already said many times. Aldo you say we are stupid for thinking more is more but who said that? Did one of us say that? No didn't think so I only take 0.2mgs every 6 hours because it gets me higher than 8mgs ever could due to the fact less is more.

 

[roell29]

Moron.

 

[roell29]

Look up Suboxone + Ceiling effect (you know what a ceiling is, right?)

"Why is the Ceiling Effect Important?
The ceiling effect of Suboxone increases the safety of the medication but limits who will be able to use it.

The ceiling effect is good in some ways. It makes Suboxone less likely abused and far less easy to O.D. on – and because of this, Suboxone can usually be taken home, saving the client from regular or even daily trips to the methadone clinic.

The ceiling effect of Suboxone holds true for all effects – that is, after a certain point, taking more of the medication won’t increase any of the effects of the drug. Taking a higher dosage of Suboxone won't result in much intoxication, but it also won’t cause much risk of respiratory depression and possible overdose death.

After the Suboxone ceiling of effect has been reached – taking more Suboxone has no effect – it won't make you higher, and it also won't keep slowing your breathing like heroin or other opiates would."

 

[sailor bugg]

Why don't you just taper off your low dose of suboxone and then do your down? It shouldn't be to hard seeing as you only take 250mg a day or so.

 

[The Doc.]

Come on tell us where you got your info then? You can't just come here and make up information then tell us we are idiots and your always right then refuse to listen to us. You can't just call us morons instead of backing up your info haha you come on here with misinformation then we try to correct you then you just respond with moron

Show us where it says Suboxone is a designer drug with a ceiling point of 0.25mgs

 

[The Doc.]

Okay yes we know it has a ceiling point but where does it say 0.25 is the ceiling?

And here Suboxone is treated like methadone you have to go to a pharmacy daily to pick it up because Suboxone isn't too much different than methadone people still OD since the actual ceiling point is 32mgs but your brain just stops being able to tell the difference between doses even if you raise it around 8mgs or so. Up until 32mgs more respiratory depression will come on the more of the drug you take.

 

[sailor bugg]

Here suboxone has a ceiling dose of 16-32mg you can check right here….

http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/about.html

 

[roell29]

Aldo you say we are stupid for thinking more is more but who said that? Did one of us say that? No didn't think so I only take 0.2mgs every 6 hours because it gets me higher than 8mgs ever could due to the fact less is more.

I was referring to the many threads I've read on this forum where people say things like "I took 48 mgs of Suboxone and got so fucked up", etc.

 

[sailor bugg]

I was referring to the many threads I've read on this forum where people say things like "I took 48 mgs of Suboxone and got so fucked up", etc.

Well they probably did get fucked up if they took that much suboxone, mind you they could take less and get just as high.

 

[roell29]

Come on tell us where you got your info then? You can't just come here and make up information then tell us we are idiots and your always right then refuse to listen to us. You can't just call us morons instead of backing up your info haha you come on here with misinformation then we try to correct you then you just respond with moron

Show us where it says Suboxone is a designer drug with a ceiling point of 0.25mgs

I wasn't the one who started the insults. I insulted the makers of Suboxone but not anyone here until I was insulted. Everyone has different experiences with Suboxone. For me, it makes no difference if I take more than what I'm taking. There's no way to quantify how much of what you snort will go to your receptors. It depends on all kinds of factors, like how congested you may be, for instance. I'm not congested at all and have no irritation from snorting it. If it's sublingual, then it's designed to be easy on the mucous membranes, whether under your tongue or in your nose. The point is that there is a ceiling which you understand but many on this forum don't.

 

[The Doc.]

Lol who said that I never have so quit assuming we are all retarded. If a opiate naive user take a huge dose of sub like you said they will get high as fuck but its when they take it again the next day then the day after when they just stop feeling anything from it but if they took 2mgs or under them they could take that daily for years and still get the same rush they did the first time they used it hence the term less is more.

Low doses will always work better than high doses for recreational use
And for pain because at doses 3mg and under bupe gets converted to Nor-buprenorphine which is a full agonist the same way heroin or oxy is a full agonist but this conversion cannot happen when high doses saturate the receptors because there is no room for them too.

 

[roell29]

Lol who said that I never have so quit assuming we are all retarded. If a opiate naive user take a huge dose of sub like you said they will get high as fuck but its when they take it again the next day then the day after when they just stop feeling anything from it but if they took 2mgs or under them they could take that daily for years and still get the same rush they did the first time they used it hence the term less is more.

Low doses will always work better than high doses for recreational use
And for pain because at doses 3mg and under bupe gets converted to Nor-buprenorphine which is a full agonist the same way heroin or oxy is a full agonist but this conversion cannot happen when high doses saturate the receptors because there is no room for them too.

What are you saying I assumed about you? "never have" what? I didn't assume anyone was retarded. I just returned insults directed at me. And also addressed the fact that many are not aware of the ceiling.

 

[The Doc.]

You all have misconceptions about bupe. You only need a tiny amount to saturate your receptors. Taking any more than that makes no difference whatsoever except that you will have more side-effects. .

This is what I'm talking about we all have misconceptions you say