Czech Dope

[RicTheRuler]

greetings all,
I just have a quick question regarding European heroin, specifically from the Czech Republic (Prague). I've read that most of the dope from europe is number 3 and needs to be put in citric acid in order to be dissolved. I've also read that heroin number 3 is brown or tan and rock like. I recently got a sack, and it sort of looks rock like, but it is white like the china of the US. Do they also have number 4 here, and how likely is it that that is what I have? Should i just drop it in water and see if it dissolves, or will that ruin it if it is indeed number 3? Is there any other way to tell whether it is number 3 or 4? Thanks for any help!

 

[Tommyboy]

I'm moving this to your regional forum.

OD --> EADD

 

[thruonetrue]

i dont know what this number system is supposed to be and actually what information is associated with #3.
anyhow: yes, most street H needs any kind of acid, thats why you would find a lot of lemons (chopped in half) at the train station crappers. the resulting juice from squeezin the fruit is actually enuff (pH-wise) to get your injection working.
if your H is from anywhere in western or central eruope and it is _white_ take extreme care. speakin for my home country (germany) there have been yearly busts of ~12 illicit fentanyl labs for the last 3 or 4 years. it became popular to mix fenta or, most often, a fentaderivative (acetylfenta etc) with mannitol/inosit[ol]/caffeine/lactose and so on.
the only way I'd be consumin such suspicious plain white H is intranasally - not smoked, not injected. best is to stay away from the white stuff as most of it is not "china white" - just a mix of fenta+99,x% cuttin agents where the mix is of anunknown homogenity. came up with the sale of B-F and the 1:100 n 1:1000 versions but fits every mix of 2 (or more) powders: if you dont use - I dont find any proper english translation - fließmittel like silicon dioxide the risk of creating hot pockets with very high concentrations (e.g. fentanyl) where other parts of the mix contain zero active agents is very high.
most H here is of poor quality, street H consisting of 8-18% actual diacetylmorphine (if you trust the fed police statements concluded from what they have seized n analyzed over the years).
if you plan to shoot it up, get some powdered vitamin c aka ascorbic acid and be sure to use _real_ prof. filters for your gun rather than usin filters from cigs or cotton balls and other shit.

seldom H is worth a buy here, and if its worth I'd go for smokin the stuff (in my crack pipe or railin it off foil). it IS possible to get some potent H in western europe but most likely the average user is gonna die if he usually shoots his dope- seen that happen two times n went to 2 funerals.
over here I'd suggest you go for opioids with pharmaceutical grade purity (doesnt mean you should inject tabs like oxy) - not that hard to obtain some vials with injectable buprenorphine, morphine or opioids used in emergency medication cases or narcotic shit like propofol (thx2substance which eradicated michael jackson from the book of life).

cheers!

 

[Sammy G]

As the poster above says, it sounds like it could well be fentanyl (or a fentanyl analogue), so be careful!

That said, it can be difficult to tell the difference in many cases. These aren't the best pics, and obviously colour can vary dramatically, but as a guide:

Here's some high-quality #4, purchased in the Netherlands:

And here's some (again, high-grade) #3 from the same place:

So sometimes the 'brown' stuff can appear more 'white' than you may expect.

Your water test will work, but the best method is to try a tiny pinch on a piece of foil, heated from underneath. The #4 will quickly frazzle, whereas decent quality #3 will run, even in the smallest quantities.

 

[RicTheRuler]

i dont know what this number system is supposed to be and actually what information is associated with #3.
anyhow: yes, most street H needs any kind of acid, thats why you would find a lot of lemons (chopped in half) at the train station crappers. the resulting juice from squeezin the fruit is actually enuff (pH-wise) to get your injection working.
if your H is from anywhere in western or central eruope and it is _white_ take extreme care. speakin for my home country (germany) there have been yearly busts of ~12 illicit fentanyl labs for the last 3 or 4 years. it became popular to mix fenta or, most often, a fentaderivative (acetylfenta etc) with mannitol/inosit[ol]/caffeine/lactose and so on.
the only way I'd be consumin such suspicious plain white H is intranasally - not smoked, not injected. best is to stay away from the white stuff as most of it is not "china white" - just a mix of fenta+99,x% cuttin agents where the mix is of anunknown homogenity. came up with the sale of B-F and the 1:100 n 1:1000 versions but fits every mix of 2 (or more) powders: if you dont use - I dont find any proper english translation - fließmittel like silicon dioxide the risk of creating hot pockets with very high concentrations (e.g. fentanyl) where other parts of the mix contain zero active agents is very high.
most H here is of poor quality, street H consisting of 8-18% actual diacetylmorphine (if you trust the fed police statements concluded from what they have seized n analyzed over the years).
if you plan to shoot it up, get some powdered vitamin c aka ascorbic acid and be sure to use _real_ prof. filters for your gun rather than usin filters from cigs or cotton balls and other shit.

seldom H is worth a buy here, and if its worth I'd go for smokin the stuff (in my crack pipe or railin it off foil). it IS possible to get some potent H in western europe but most likely the average user is gonna die if he usually shoots his dope- seen that happen two times n went to 2 funerals.
over here I'd suggest you go for opioids with pharmaceutical grade purity (doesnt mean you should inject tabs like oxy) - not that hard to obtain some vials with injectable buprenorphine, morphine or opioids used in emergency medication cases or narcotic shit like propofol (thx2substance which eradicated michael jackson from the book of life).

cheers!

As the poster above says, it sounds like it could well be fentanyl (or a fentanyl analogue), so be careful!

That said, it can be difficult to tell the difference in many cases. These aren't the best pics, and obviously colour can vary dramatically, but as a guide:

Here's some high-quality #4, purchased in the Netherlands:


And here's some (again, high-grade) #3 from the same place:


So sometimes the 'brown' stuff can appear more 'white' than you may expect.

Your water test will work, but the best method is to try a tiny pinch on a piece of foil, heated from underneath. The #4 will quickly frazzle, whereas decent quality #3 will run, even in the smallest quantities.

thanks for the responses. I think you guys might be right, cause it certainly does not look like the picture above. Also, I tried burning it on foil and it didn't trail, just sort of vaporized, and smelled like nothing ive ever smoked before. Even the china I get in the states trails a little bit. Any suggestions as to what I should do? I saw the guy who sold it to me shoot it himself, so at least I know that its not completely bunk. Were your guys' warnings about the fent because it can be too strong or because of the adulterants? Can this stuff be snorted? I'll try to post a picture later. Thanks again

 

[Sammy G]

The fent warnings were about the strength rather than adulterants, though there may well be something potentially nasty as a cut.

It can be snorted, yes, but PLEASE start small. I'd imagine it's heavily cut in order to cater for the local injectors without killing them off, but you can never be sure.

Also, fentanyl is 1000x more compulsive than heroin and has a really crappy half-life, so don't be tempted to re-dose too quickly.

 

[RicTheRuler]

i dont know what this number system is supposed to be and actually what information is associated with #3.
anyhow: yes, most street H needs any kind of acid, thats why you would find a lot of lemons (chopped in half) at the train station crappers. the resulting juice from squeezin the fruit is actually enuff (pH-wise) to get your injection working.
if your H is from anywhere in western or central eruope and it is _white_ take extreme care. speakin for my home country (germany) there have been yearly busts of ~12 illicit fentanyl labs for the last 3 or 4 years. it became popular to mix fenta or, most often, a fentaderivative (acetylfenta etc) with mannitol/inosit[ol]/caffeine/lactose and so on.
the only way I'd be consumin such suspicious plain white H is intranasally - not smoked, not injected. best is to stay away from the white stuff as most of it is not "china white" - just a mix of fenta+99,x% cuttin agents where the mix is of anunknown homogenity. came up with the sale of B-F and the 1:100 n 1:1000 versions but fits every mix of 2 (or more) powders: if you dont use - I dont find any proper english translation - fließmittel like silicon dioxide the risk of creating hot pockets with very high concentrations (e.g. fentanyl) where other parts of the mix contain zero active agents is very high.
most H here is of poor quality, street H consisting of 8-18% actual diacetylmorphine (if you trust the fed police statements concluded from what they have seized n analyzed over the years).
if you plan to shoot it up, get some powdered vitamin c aka ascorbic acid and be sure to use _real_ prof. filters for your gun rather than usin filters from cigs or cotton balls and other shit.

seldom H is worth a buy here, and if its worth I'd go for smokin the stuff (in my crack pipe or railin it off foil). it IS possible to get some potent H in western europe but most likely the average user is gonna die if he usually shoots his dope- seen that happen two times n went to 2 funerals.
over here I'd suggest you go for opioids with pharmaceutical grade purity (doesnt mean you should inject tabs like oxy) - not that hard to obtain some vials with injectable buprenorphine, morphine or opioids used in emergency medication cases or narcotic shit like propofol (thx2substance which eradicated michael jackson from the book of life).

cheers!

The fent warnings were about the strength rather than adulterants, though there may well be something potentially nasty as a cut.

It can be snorted, yes, but PLEASE start small. I'd imagine it's heavily cut in order to cater for the local injectors without killing them off, but you can never be sure.

Also, fentanyl is 1000x more compulsive than heroin and has a really crappy half-life, so don't be tempted to re-dose too quickly.

thanks for the quick response. i tried snorting some and it burned like hell with a nasty drip but i felt nothing. i did take a 4 mg suboxone a day earlier so maybe that had something to do with it. and a lot was stuck in my nose. nmaybe this means it's number 3, as, correct me if i'm wrong, the drug has to be water soluble to snort. heres a picutre:

any ideas?

 

[Sammy G]

I'd say your 4mg of suboxone is to blame for the lack of effects - you'd have been best waiting 48 hours or longer.

I can't see your pic for some reason, but if it was brown heroin then you should still get some effects from snorting despite the fact it's not water soluble. Didn't you say earlier on that it didn't run on the foil though?

 

[RicTheRuler]

I'd say your 4mg of suboxone is to blame for the lack of effects - you'd have been best waiting 48 hours or longer.

I can't see your pic for some reason, but if it was brown heroin then you should still get some effects from snorting despite the fact it's not water soluble. Didn't you say earlier on that it didn't run on the foil though?

sorry, does this work?

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I'd say your 4mg of suboxone is to blame for the lack of effects - you'd have been best waiting 48 hours or longer.

I can't see your pic for some reason, but if it was brown heroin then you should still get some effects from snorting despite the fact it's not water soluble. Didn't you say earlier on that it didn't run on the foil though?

Yeah I've seen people sniffing lines of #3. I've never understood it as it's shite, I've tried it and if you're not going to inject then smoking is definitely the way.

Suboxone definitely to account for lack of effects in this case as well, 4mg is a fair amount and the majority of it would have beenhanging around still the next day.

 

[ferrett1979]

There's a youtube link taken for a BBC programme. It's about addicts in Czech Republic living in camps in forests near where poppies r cultivated. What they were actually shooting up/smoking wasn't actually 'real' heroin, neither 3 or 4 but some other mix of opiate It wasnt fentyl either as they were actually producing this stuff from the poppy fields where they live! Obviously not the same as the poppies the afgans/chinese grow. It was tested and the results came back 0% diamorphine. Fuck knows what it was but its worth a watch and sad.

 

[Bella Figura]

It was just morphine iirc - Heroin Holiday