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Nuts - People Say They're Good, but I Disagree

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All the time I hear about the positive attributes of nuts-- that they're high in magnesium, vitamin e, that they are anti-inflammatory, provide healthy fats, etc.

But I disagree. I am biased, though. I have rheumatoid arthritis, which seems to be very affected by what I eat. One of the *worst* things I could eat for my condition is nuts and seeds. There is a direct and strong correlation between me eating nuts and my joint inflammation going bezerk. What gives? I thought nuts were healthy?

This question is also dire because I crave nuts IMMENSELY. It's like a drug for me. But my body always pays the price. So I need to find a healthy alternative. So far I haven't found it. Avocado holds me off for a while, but eventually I still crave that nut. I've also exhausted sea salt, cheese, greens, salad, bentonite clay, magnesium supplements as sufficient alternatives.
 
what nuts, specifically, are the problem? Almonds and sunflower seeds are high in Vitamin E, but avocado is low and so are pecans and walnuts. There's some disagreement as to whether vitamin E helps or aggravates rheumatoid arthritis, so it couldn't hurt to rule that out
 
All the time I hear about the positive attributes of nuts-- that they're high in magnesium, vitamin e, that they are anti-inflammatory, provide healthy fats, etc.

But I disagree. I am biased, though. I have rheumatoid arthritis, which seems to be very affected by what I eat. One of the *worst* things I could eat for my condition is nuts and seeds. There is a direct and strong correlation between me eating nuts and my joint inflammation going bezerk. What gives? I thought nuts were healthy?

This question is also dire because I crave nuts IMMENSELY. It's like a drug for me. But my body always pays the price. So I need to find a healthy alternative. So far I haven't found it. Avocado holds me off for a while, but eventually I still crave that nut. I've also exhausted sea salt, cheese, greens, salad, bentonite clay, magnesium supplements as sufficient alternatives.

Raw flax seeds may be a good snack to try. (whole crunchy->) http://www.swansonvitamins.com/bobs...=54347462407&gclid=CLykqPvZn78CFabm7Aod-ksADg

(milled) http://www.swansonvitamins.com/gard...=54347462407&gclid=CLq4tcTZn78CFTJp7Aod9UwAvg

Also try some "raw" nuts in small amounts.
"Dry-roasted" nuts are very bad for RA, but raw nuts may be tolerated by some.

If you aren't already on an omega-3 regimen, research the various omega-3 types and look into starting that.
 
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There are few foods that are great for everyone. Nuts have the potential to kill some people, and clearly don't act as anti-inflammatories for them.

For the craving, what about soy nuts?
I also remember wheat crunch as a kid, I'm not sure if there's something similar out there now.
 
ALL nuts. The worst culprits are almonds and sesame seeds, but all nuts and seeds (you name it--even flax or hemp) makes me flare up. It doesn't matter whether it's raw or roasted. Soynuts are inflammatory for me too.
 
nuts and seeds are one and the same and they are probably the most common allergens in the human population (the only thing I can think of that comes close is milk). they are evolved to survive an infestation of insects and pests on their trips from momma plant into some fertile ground somewhere further away from home and these traits make us less able to process them than we are willing to believe. seeds and nuts carry protein and fat that make our mouths feel good. take a food allergen/antigen blood test and you'd probably find you score high on it with sesame and so; I sure did, and I think they taste quite fine (well maybe not soy).

a good gastroenterologist would tell you that nuts aren't as easy to digest as a corn on the cob, but we tend to think of them as simple vegetables instead of dense, nutrient packed mega foods. If you think you can handle a little of some then I'd recommend curtailing your intake to just 1 particularly small serving of them at a time/day. I myself love to eat almost all nuts - i think they're all delicious and I make them a part of my diet regularly -- but i overdo it all the time and find myself feeling bloated and almost sick whenever I turn a simple snacking into a full on meal (like when I'm in a rush and I have only trailmix to eat for lunch and/or dinner).

Peanuts and almonds I find to be the hardest to digest, but to me they tend to be the ones that smell rancid the most often so it might have something to do with the instabilities of their fats. I used to soak my almonds in water then dry them back out before eating and that helped with digestion/stomach issues that I got from them. Almonds (and many other nuts and seeds) contain enzyme inhibitors that are keeping them from breaking down their starches and protiens spontaneously until the right conditions appear for it to start growing. This is deactivated by a flushing of water and the reason why seeds germinate when you or mr. raincloud waters them.

I personally find that walnuts are the easiest on my stomach, but then again I don't have any autoimmune disorders (that I know of). if I was you I'd stay the hell away from soy since it's notoriously an inedible plant in nearly every way (sparing tempeh and miso as they've been predigested by bacteria and fungus), and it also happens to rank as one of the most polluted crops of the world.
 
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I appreciate what is being said about nuts and seeds being inflammatory in some cases concerning arthritis. My advice would be to eat them moderation, you only need a few seeds and the odd nut a few times a week rather than eating too many in one sitting. Hopefully the good can outweigh the bad.
 
Name any overwhelmingly good thing people put into their bodies, and I'll find you someone who should never do so. Do not eat things that consistently cause your RA to flare. Rheumatic joints in full flare are especially vulnerable to damage, so to avoid permanent disfigurement, chronic pain, and reduced range of motion, keeping the flares to a minimum any way you know how is top priority. It's a shame, because nuts and seeds are both tasty and nutritious, but it's not worth your long-term health.

Have you tried any anti-inflammatory drugs or biologics / monoclonal antibodies that have made a big difference in your symptoms? If so, have they expanded the range of foods you can eat without stiffening up?

Can you eat legumes (beans) and whole cereal grains?

Every nut, seed, bean, and grain is an entire plant, in embryonic form. Plant embryos are nutritious (at least if their mother plants are properly cared for) because they are essentially like little ships full of settlers off to spread their home civilization to new land, jam packed with all the plant's going to need to survive before it gets established and can fend for itself.
 
Nuts do this to you because they upset the acid–alkaline balance in your body. They cause an acidic state. Explanation for acid–alkaline balance from Jon Barron's Lessons from the Miracle Doctors (1999, 2008). <snip>


BALANCING PH

Our bodies function in a very narrow range of acid/alkaline balance (pH). Our blood in particular is very sensitive to these changes. Ideally, blood pH should be slightly alkaline at about 7.45. If it varies by even as little as a few tenths of a point, severe illness and death may result. Unfortunately, most of the food we eat is highly acid-forming in the body (meat, dairy, sodas, alcohol, cooked grains). In the end, it becomes too much for our bodies to handle. If we don’t correct the problem by “alkalinizing” the body, disease, sickness, and death are the inevitable result. In effect, alkalinizing the body means that you are removing, or detoxing, the acid imbalance that you have created.

Your body has a number of different pH levels that it has to maintain. Your saliva is slightly alkaline, the stomach is strongly acidic during digestion, the intestines are strongly alkaline, and your urine is slightly acidic (to control bacteria). But the most crucial pH level is your blood. Again, if your blood pH deviates even few tenths of a point from its normal pH of 7.45, severe illness or even death is likely. Considering the importance of pH to the body, it’s well worth discussing a little further how it affects the body and how we can help maintain the proper pH levels in our own bodies.

The importance of pH really boils down to two things:
1. Enzymes. Enzymes control every metabolic function in our bodies, and they are integral to our immune system. They function optimally at a specific pH and will become inactive if the pH deviates beyond very narrow limits or a particular enzyme.

WHAT IS PH?

Representing hydrogen ion concentration, pH is the measurement of the acid/alkaline balance of anything.

• On the pH scale, water is neutral and rates a 7.0.
• Acids (such as hydrochloric acid and citric acid) are rated as numbers less than 7.0. The further away from 7.0 the number is, the stronger the acid. Cow’s milk at 6.5 is slightly acidic, soft drinks at 3.0 are strongly acidic, and stomach acid at 1.5 is highly acidic.

• Alkaline substances include everything that rates above 7.0 on the pH scale. Again, the further away from 7.0, the more alkaline the substance. Blood at 7.45 is slightly alkaline; pancreatic juice in your intestines is strongly alkaline at 8.8; and baking soda at 12.0 is highly alkaline.

2. Oxygen. Every cell in our body requires oxygen for life and to maintain optimum health. To put it simply, the more acid the blood, the less oxygen is available for use by the cells. Without going into a discussion of the chemistry involved, just understand that it’s the same mechanism involved when acid rain “kills” a lake. The fish literally suffocate to death because the acid in the lake “binds up” all of the available oxygen. It’s not that the oxygen has gone anywhere, it’s just no longer available. Conversely, if you raise the pH of the lake, oxygen is now available and the lake comes back to life. Incidentally, it’s worth noting that cancer is related to an acid environment (lack of oxygen)—the higher the pH (the more oxygen present in the cells of the body), the harder it is for cancer to thrive.

The bottom line is that a balanced pH is vital. An extended pH imbalance of any kind threatens our well-being—threatens, in fact, our very lives. Managing the pH balance of all of our bodily fluids, tissues, and organs is so important that our bodies have developed a system to monitor and balance acid-alkaline levels in every cell and biosystem.

What Affects pH in Our Bodies
To better understand the system our bodies have developed for maintaining pH balance, we need to take a look at what affects pH (usually making us more acidic) and how our bodies respond to that change.

• Acid-Forming Foods: When they are metabolized, carbohydrates, proteins, and fats produce various acids in our bodies. That means that all meats, fish, poultry, eggs, dairy, cooked grains, and refined sugars are acid forming in the body. Probably at the top of the list of acid-forming foods in the human diet are colas. Not only are they high in refined sugar, which is highly acid forming in and of itself, but most cola contains a large amount of phosphoric acid, not to mention carbon dioxide (an end-product of the acid neutralization process).

• Alkaline-Forming Foods: For the most part, only fresh fruits and vegetables and superfoods such as chlorella, spirulina, barley grass, and wheatgrass are alkaline forming and help your body maintain a proper pH. It should be noted that even though citrus fruits are highly acidic, your body treats them as alkaline so that they are, in fact, highly effective alkalinizers.

When proteins are metabolized in the body, they produce sulfuric acid and phosphoric acid; carbohydrates and fats produce acetic acid and lactic acid. Since these acids are poisonous to the body, they must be eliminated. Unfortunately, they can’t be eliminated as acids through the kidneys or large intestine as they would damage these organs. The way the body handles them is to neutralize them by converting them into acid salts by combining them with the minerals sodium, calcium, potassium, and magnesium. Of these, calcium is the most important.

Now, here’s the key: your body uses a priority system if there are not enough available minerals to neutralize all of the acids present. Blood is at the top of the heap—your body will steal minerals from anywhere and everywhere before it will let your blood become too acidic. Remember, even a slight deviation in blood pH results in death.

Saliva is at the bottom of the heap. Saliva is the first place your body steals minerals from to balance the blood. That’s why pH testing of saliva provides an early warning system for when you are becoming too acidic. At optimum health, your saliva will have a pH of 7.45, the same as your blood. At a pH of 6.5–7.0, you’ll find yourself frequently succumbing to colds and sickness. At 5.5 and lower, you can pretty much count on the fact that major disease has already taken hold. Virtually, all cancer patients test strongly acidic on a saliva pH test.

Unfortunately, your saliva doesn’t contain a big reserve of minerals, so you soon run out. After extracting what it can from urine and soft tissues (creating a rich environment for the spread of cancer), your body turns to its great mineral bank—your bones. So, if your diet is too acid-forming (too much meat, dairy, simple carbohydrates, phosphoric acid, and sugars), your body will fairly quickly begin to leach calcium from your bones to balance the low pH and avoid death. In effect, your body says osteoporosis is preferable to death.
 
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Good post. This is where I plug apple cider vinegar, spirulina and chlorella, all major components.of my daily food intake and great for pH balance.
 
Thanks. Lately a staple of mine has been spirulina mixed with ghee and water, which creates something that has the consistency kind of like nut butter, but far, far healthier.

Apparently spirulina and other algaes have the most amino acids and not only that, but they're much more bioavailable to the body than meat. Ghee has an ideal balance of fatty acids. Ghee is purified butter, by the way. I use David Wolfe's brand of spirulina and I found it to be much richer than Mike Adam's ("The Health Ranger") brand. For the ghee I use either Ancient Organics or Pure Indian Foods, both of which I found to be much richer than Purity Farms.
 
Red,

How do you feel about ghee from Green Pasture?

http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/CoconutGhee/index.cfm

The coconut ghee is significantly cheaper than Pure Indian Foods.

You use this stuff?

http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/david-wolfe-foods-raw-incan-spirulina-powder-200-g

Super expensive. That's 2.5x as much as I pay for Nuts.com's spirulina. Tell me about your experiences/research wrt different brands.

I don't mind paying for quality, but I want to know as much about what I'm paying for as possible.
 
Nuts do this to you because they upset the acid–alkaline balance in your body. They cause an acidic state. Explanation for acid–alkaline balance from Jon Barron's Lessons from the Miracle Doctors (1999, 2008). <snip>

Not necessarily; the OP has stated the worst culprits (in causing his arthritis to flare up) to be almonds and sesame seeds, both of which make the body more alkaline.
 
Those items do not make the body more alkaline. You're misinformed.


Red,

How do you feel about ghee from Green Pasture?

http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/CoconutGhee/index.cfm

The coconut ghee is significantly cheaper than Pure Indian Foods.

Green Pasture's butter is 60 dollars for 240 ml; Ancient Organics is $37.97 for 946.4 ml; Pure Indian Foods is $32.95 for about 852 ml......


You use this stuff?

http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/david-wolfe-foods-raw-incan-spirulina-powder-200-g

Super expensive. That's 2.5x as much as I pay for Nuts.com's spirulina. Tell me about your experiences/research wrt different brands.

I don't mind paying for quality, but I want to know as much about what I'm paying for as possible.

Yes. It's definitely worth the money. I bought Mike Adams' brand a bit after using a batch of David Wolfe's brand and I kept thinking something was cheap about it, like, watered-down (not literally). I recently bought David Wolfe's brand after I had finish Mike Adams' brand and wow, the difference is distinct. I actually enjoy having David Wolfe's brand by itself.

I don't necessarily think Mike Adams' brand is bad, but David Wolfe's is a cut above. Another good brand of spirulina is Exsula. I remember that having that deep, richness about it. It's probably no conincidence that both David Wolfe and Exsula represent themselves as being masters of nutrition and agriculture.
 
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Those items do not make the body more alkaline. You're misinformed.

Really, you are a dunce, must be all the heavy metals in the spirulina you eat. Only kidding. :p

http://www.livestrong.com/article/494847-nuts-alkaline-forming/
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Foods_to_Keep_Your_Blood_Alkaline.html
http://saveourbones.com/the-power-of-the-sesame-seed/
http://thealkalinefoods.com/alkaline-foods/almonds
http://drjeffhealthcenter.com/ihpages/pages/alkalinediet.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodandd...alkaline-way-recipes-for-a-healthier-you.html(...just some food for thought).

Regarding spirulina and arthritis, while spirulina may be of benefit, this university suggests that stimulation of the body's immune system by spirulina may have an adverse effect on autoimmune disorders, for example rheumatoid arthritis (see Precautions).http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/spirulina
 
Well, I only looked at one, which lists almonds and hazelnuts as alkaline, but if they all support your claim then they're all wrong.

Nuts and seeds contain explosive phosphoric compounds that create the potential for quick growth of a young plant. All nuts and seeds are acidic in nature, with some being less acidic than others. Millet is definitely less acidic than wheat grain. Almonds are less acidic than walnuts or macadamia nuts.

David Wolfe. Eating for Beauty. 2002


The idea that almonds, sesame seeds, and hazelnuts are alkalizing is absurd. Anyone who can taste the difference between an acid forming food and an alkalizing food can easily tell.

I just looked at the saveourbones article and I would guess that the reason they're saying sesame seeds are alkaline is because of all the minerals in them that they pointed out and pretty much all minerals are alkaline, but what they don't realize is that the phosphoric compounds outweigh those minerals.
 
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MyDoorsAreOpen, thank you for understanding. Unfortunately, I've already got considerable joint damage (2 hip replacements, an elbow surgery, osteoarthritis in my wrists, etc.).

I have tried the monoclonal antibodies and all forms of immunosuppression, and they help to a degree and then stop. They dull the effects of bad foods, but they also dull the effects of healthy living too. I feel like they freeze my disease, one way or another. Over time I found that my body began rejecting the medications, so I've stopped entirely and am seeking holistic healing with about the same amount of success, but with a much better attitude.

Legumes and cereal grains all flare me up, *except* rice.
 
One thing I didn't mention is that they say that becoming too acidic results in inflammation. You can Google it.
 
Ugh, guys, please spare me the alkaline-acid balance talk. I've went down that road, and it was so confusing. For several reasons:

1) People disagree all the time on what is acid-forming and what is alkaline-forming. Looking at various charts people have put together, there are so many discrepancies that it's really hard to follow

2) Saying that the body is more alkaline or acid means nothing. The body is more complex than that. There are various systems of the body, all of which operate at different pHs. The bloodstream is a certain PH, the stomach is a certain PH, the small intestine is a certain PH, etc. And sometimes it's GOOD to have an acidic digestive system, like when you're digesting animal protein.

3) The things that help me or hurt me generally don't follow the picture painted by people who believe that an alkaline body is best. Things on both sides of the spectrum hurt me, and things on both sides of the spectrum help me.

4) pH balance doesn't quite explain why I have systemic inflammation. I know people who eat according to you what would be an EXTREMELY acidic-forming diet, processed foods and meats up the wazzu, and their joints are healthy as fuck, where as with me, I eat tons of greens and anti-inflammatory vegetables (celery, broccoli, garlic, etc.) and still struggle with inflammation. There is something else that is the problem. It's not pH balance, I assure you.

So yeah. There is some truth and usefulness to the macrobiotic view of food, however. This is that some foods are yin, or expansive, and other foods are yang, or contractive, all along a spectrum. But it has little to do with reducing inflammation and disease activity and more to do with just balance and monitoring one's moods and modes of being while eating certain foods. But the idea about foods being acidifying or alkalinizing is total pseudo science. Oh and hey, look! The foods that are alkalinizing (the good stuff) just happen to be all the expensive super-foods they want to sell you!

But I digress. I still want to know what it is in nuts that I crave so much, and how to get that in a healthful manner without flaring up my joints.
 
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