Stimulants Adderall and Amphetamine, do both pose same addiction risk?

[mylifeislike]

Hi,

If someone was to use amphetamine(amphetamine-paste, speed, the street drug, often amphetamine sulfate) in therapeutic doses, and do the same with adderall, what would be more likely to cause an addiction problem, if that person was planning on using it as an treatment for ADD/ADHD. My first prediction is amphetamine(the street drug), but I'm looking for a more professional opinion.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

if you've been using adderall without getting hooked I'd say you'll be fine.
I've never used adderall tho so don't really know the difference in how they feel.

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

They are essentially the same. One of the components of Adderall is amphetamine sulfate.

 

[mylifeislike]

Never taken adderall, but acquiring adderall is not possible for me at this moment, and probably wont be in the near future anyway. Amphetamine sulfate(I suppose that is amphetamine paste) is acquirable.
I want to experiment a bit with my ADD and see if I can pull something positive out of it.
Plan on starting with 5mg as a starting dose and see how I react, it will only be for therapeutic reasons in college.

 

[black53]

Yes, they are pretty much the same thing except that adderall is guaranteed to be 75% d-amphetamine and 25% l-amphetamine and street amphetamine isn't.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

^ this. I know adderall and speed are the same thing but the cuts/ratio of isomers may make them feel different.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

Never taken adderall, but acquiring adderall is not possible for me at this moment, and probably wont be in the near future anyway. Amphetamine sulfate(I suppose that is amphetamine paste) is acquirable.
I want to experiment a bit with my ADD and see if I can pull something positive out of it.
Plan on starting with 5mg as a starting dose and see how I react, it will only be for therapeutic reasons in college.

I don't know where you live, but here in Italy (and Europe in general i supose) 5 mg of paste is nothing. you'll need atleast 100x that dosage to get a good high going.
of course start small, but 5 mg really is nothing.

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

You are delusional if you think crudely manufactured paste shit is going to be active at 5 mg. Did you do an acid-base extraction then put it under a vacuum pump? Even if it was absolutely 100% pure that would still be almost unnoticeable.

 

[mylifeislike]

Who said I buy it locally?
5mg is for the sake of safety and harm reduction.
I think I mentioned that I plan on taking it for therapeutic reasons, studying that is, not get high.
Based on what I have been told by my dealer the purity of this amphetamine paste is 70-80% pure.

 

[sekio]

Adderall and amphetamine paste are functionally the same stuff, although street amphetamine is often going to be cut with stuff like sugar, water, salt, etc and the Adderall is going to be carefully packaged in little XR pills.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

Who said I buy it locally?
5mg is for the sake of safety and harm reduction.
I think I mentioned that I plan on taking it for therapeutic reasons, studying that is, not get high.
Based on what I have been told by my dealer the purity of this amphetamine paste is 70-80% pure.

of course every dealer is going to tell you his shit is the best (and I'd seriously doubt his claim because that is a huge level of purity compared to street shit, but it's up to you really)
one i know in particular tells me he has 100% pure MDMA but I will never believe him as I think he doesn't even know what MDMA is.
of course it's wise to start small but 5 mgs is a bit of an overkill in terms of safety, much better than bomb 1 gram without knowing the potency tho

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

That dose is for small children and to test for allergic reactions when it is pharmaceutical grade and you a are getting the full dose. Don't be foolish. Skip the hours of waiting for nothing while feeling like a dunce. Your dealer is probably lying to you about the purity, it is unlikely he even knows. 25-50mg would be safe depending on your body size, taken orally, for a start. Since it is street crap you will likely need more but that is safe starting point.

 

[mylifeislike]

There are dark places beyond this world that provide a good foundation of reviews which promise tested products that confirm the dealer's claims.
Adderall is inaccessible for me atm, so amphetamine is what I consider my best alternative. meth is out of the question.

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

You hallucinated demons who supposedly tested his product and they gave you reviews of it?

Take the shit already...

 

[St3ve]

Theoretically addiction risk will be the same, adderall and amphetamine being essentially the same thing. Difference with reality is that street speed could be just about anything. Street speed is notoriously unpure (more than any other drug on average). It cut be cut with more addictive methamphetamine or RCs like MDPV. At the same time it might be less addicitive if it's mostly caffeine with some pseudoephedrine.

If your street speed is pure amphetamine cut with inert filler it should work fine as study aid, although your dosage might be higher compared to an equal dose of adderall due to impurities. I've heard that in dark places beyond this world they generally sell higher quality gear. Still, claims of 87% purity etc will still be largely exagerated and you might need comparably more. There'd also be little to no point in snorting it as amphetamine is absorbed very well orally.

 

[Lorne???]

Adderall and amphetamine paste are functionally the same stuff, although street amphetamine is often going to be cut with stuff like sugar, water, salt, etc and the Adderall is going to be carefully packaged in little XR pills.

That. They are the same drug, and levo isn't really active anyway(it does cause side effects though). Adderall is just pharm grade, and often in XR form.

And 5mg is insanely small; as others said, you wouldn't notice that if it we're pure. 25mg is a good starting point, if you want to be extra cautious; otherwise, 50(or even 100mg) is fine.

And for the poster saying that amps are the most cut drug: heroin is usually the most cut up street drug, since you'll sometimes find bags less than 10% pure.

 

[piller97]

I'm inclined to say that amphetamine sulfate would,

But not due to composition, just because presumably the use of amphetamine sulfate would be unregulated, whereas adderall use would typically be overseen by a psychiatrist, therefor it would be more closely monitored, though it comes with the added safeguard of someone looking out for potential problems.

Of course, this means that if the adderall was being obtained through unofficial channels, IMO, they would pose the same risk.

~p

 

[St3ve]

And for the poster saying that amps are the most cut drug: heroin is usually the most cut up street drug, since you'll sometimes find bags less than 10% pure.

I guess it depends on where you live...
In the UK your average bag of heroin is 46% pure and your average bag of speed only contains 10% amphetamine.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats07/ppptab06a (heroin)
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats07/ppptab08a (amps)

As for all the people saying 5mg won't do anything have any of you taken a 5mg adderall dose? It definitely has effects, not recreational, but enough to increase concentration and motivation to do work. Likely street amps will not work at 5mg, but it is not a bad place to start as the OP can always take another dose if he's not feeling anything...

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

Most of us have taken such a dose that is why we are saying it is barely noticeable. Any effect would not be conclusably discernible from placebo.

 

[AcidAttack]

I just recently got some euro speed paste, not sure how potent its suppose to be but just 10mg was enough for mild stimulation, maybe i just have a low tolerance because i'm in australia where the speed sold is usually cut meth, maybe i got lucky and got some decent shit, just because some people lie about potency, doesn't mean everyone does, i wasn't even told the potency and i was great..