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Regional Pill / MDMA Discussion - not for those who wish to roll balls.

piperazine class of drugs - not velly nice ....google it.

As for pills - i remember when i was taking them i would be up all night and the next. Then in the 90's when i had stopped taking them having a few now and again and come 6am just wanted to go to bed and sleep - mdme, mixes of different chems? who knows. BUT when people talk about 200mg pills and above I don't geddit its huge dose and would floor you - the first pills i ever got (white calis with a spilt) in '88 were strong 2-3 for the whole night - same as the 1st doves which were about 120-130mg if i remember correctly- would have you in lovvey land all night EVERY time you took them. Back then i only had one test , to burn a little bit if it smelt of aniseed you were ok, if burnt rubber it was speed and if any thing else you had been skanked.
 
blondin said:
piperazine class of drugs - not velly nice ....google it.

As for pills - i remember when i was taking them i would be up all night and the next. Then in the 90's when i had stopped taking them having a few now and again and come 6am just wanted to go to bed and sleep - mdme, mixes of different chems? who knows. BUT when people talk about 200mg pills and above I don't geddit its huge dose and would floor you - the first pills i ever got (white calis with a spilt) in '88 were strong 2-3 for the whole night - same as the 1st doves which were about 120-130mg if i remember correctly- would have you in lovvey land all night EVERY time you took them. Back then i only had one test , to burn a little bit if it smelt of aniseed you were ok, if burnt rubber it was speed and if any thing else you had been skanked.
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You can still get pills like that trust me, you just gotta be lucky. tbh the first pill I ever had was pink HD's, and I couldn't tell you how many mgs was in them as it was around 02/03 time and we just didn't care back then but I do remember them being pretty small compared to some of the so called super pills about now but they were by far the most lovey dovey pills I ever had but not the strongest spangled wise if you know what I mean just... happy.

The only pills that have come close empathy wise since are the blue androids for me although there far stronger and more head fucking and longer lasting they still got that empathy that a lot of pills today lack today but no where near as much as the HD's. but I put that down mainly to tolerance. need to give one to someone who's never tried mdma before really see what happens.
 
Like others have stated its ludicrous that this argument still goes on.. MDMA IS MDMA!
You can make it complicated by discussing synth routes, different isomers etc but the end result is always plain old MDMA.
Ive had some of the best and worst experiences with the exact same pills. The main difference in experience is your current brain/body chemistry which is affected by numerous things such as diet, drug use, exercise etc.
Set and setting plays some role but not a huge one IMO. With a true mdma experience you could be in the worst setting and still have an amazing time.. Then there's dosing/tolerance which plays another big role.
At the end of the day you just have to take each experience as it comes, make sure you have good mdma, a good dose for you, and most importantly use the drug and other similar drugs very sparingly..
The americans might be over the top with their "losing the magic" threads but their theories are more or less correct, albeit slightly exaggerated. The simple fact is a lot of people in the UK abuse MDMA, and then expect it to be like their first time every time.. And when its not they blame the product rather than their own over-exuberance.
 
deano88 said:
You can still get pills like that trust me, you just gotta be lucky. tbh the first pill I ever had was pink HD's, and I couldn't tell you how many mgs was in them as it was around 02/03 time and we just didn't care back then but I do remember them being pretty small compared to some of the so called super pills about now but they were by far the most lovey dovey pills I ever had but not the strongest spangled wise if you know what I mean just... happy.

The only pills that have come close empathy wise since are the blue androids for me although there far stronger and more head fucking and longer lasting they still got that empathy that a lot of pills today lack today but no where near as much as the HD's. but I put that down mainly to tolerance. need to give one to someone who's never tried mdma before really see what happens.
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Agree with this post about tolerance etc. I remember my first pill vividly as most people do, and I recall my seasoned mdma-user mates saying "these pills are shit, just feel tired" etc. I had one and it blew my head off dancing the night away. Full blown euphoria, massive empathy, overwhelming rushes the lot. Whilst they were sat there feeling monged out. People need to remember its your brain chems producing the high, the mdma just acts as a key to open the floodgates to euphoria.
 
Sammy G said:
I've had exactly the same variation in effects from the same gram of MDMA and from the same batch of pills. It's called set and setting.

Ever considered the fact that the drug itself may only be partly responsible for the 'intimidating' euphoria you experience? Ever thought that on some days you enjoy sex / chocolate / skateboarding more, but on other days it can be 'lacking'? Ever thought that (heaven forbid) the almighty MDMA might actually be a pretty hit-and-miss drug?

Seriously, I can't believe people still talk about this.
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What you can't believe that people discuss the effects of drugs on a drug forum? I disagree with the set and setting when it comes to drugs like Mandy, if anything its one of the drugs where it dont really matter, if your rushing on a pill, you have no choice but to feel happy. Doing pills on the streets was pretty common, and im pretty sure, I was rushing my tits of. Does set and setting aply to speed, and coke? Na. Something is up with these dutch super pills, why are they dosed so high? Fuck knows, I know im not the only one, other forums, people at raves, friends etc. I took a 200mg pill and me and my mate was disappointed, surley thats fucked up. But fuck it, it is boring justify a human experience.
 
HouseFever said:
What you can't believe that people discuss the effects of drugs on a drug forum?
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Did I say that? No I didn't. I just objected to the same old fucking circular speculation about there being different synth routes of MDMA that result in huge qualitative differences from batch to batch.

It's old, it's tired, it goes nowhere.

HouseFever said:
I disagree with the set and setting when it comes to drugs like Mandy, if anything its one of the drugs where it dont really matter, if your rushing on a pill, you have no choice but to feel happy.
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Utter codswallop. I've had several experiences on confirmed MDMA pills where I've been rushing like fuck but not feeling 'happy'. Or even pleasant, for that matter. In fact, I know several people who just (cover your ears kids) don't particularly like the feeling that MDMA gives them.

Has all their MDMA been 'lacking'? Were my experiences down to 'bad batches', even though they were often the same batch that brought on euphoria the previous week or whenever? Or is there a chance that MDMA isn't always consistent in terms of its effects ?

Oh, and who the fuck is 'Mandy'? :D
 
you can get good md and you can get average/bad md. Obviously measurement of the effects are entirely subjective, anecdotal and depend greatly on a number of factors, not least the individuals tolerance levels. It's not 'always consistent in terms of its effects' because the batches are different
 
right back to talking about regional pills has anybody tried the red youtubes yet?? i got a couple and i also got some blue androids left which i know from experience are banging! i have not tried the red youtubes yet so any info on these would be appreciated.

i have had a look on pill reports and nothing really much on there but from the looks people are saying the androids are between 180 - 200mg and the youtubes around 160 - 180mg but one thing i found strange was i weighed the pills individually and on average the androids weighed 366mg and the youtubes about 452mg. i know you cant just go by the pill weight to judge how strong they are cuz of filler etc but that seems quite a lot of difference to me when the supposedly weaker pill is almost 100mg heavier filler or not.

going by eye judgement the blue android is thicker in depth but the youtube is thinner but wider.

i have asked about the youtubes a few times but nobody seems to answer but if anyone can find any lab results for both these pills or any other sites that might have info on them would be much appreciated. :)
 
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/isomers.htm


Have read of that link. Shulgin says there is a different effect of mdma depending on isomers.
Who knows weather the new chemists are making it a different way that alters the r or s quantities. So people who say mdma is mdma are wrong. If you delve further into the molecule it is possible to have different mdma because of the % of isomers can vary.
 
mdma is mdma like beer is beer but that's not the point it's the quality and the way its made just like how a good beer is brewed if its not done properly to perfection you get a poor product.

I heard there was mdma powder that was a bright white sparking dust looked like pre ban meow. must of been good quality
 
pothole said:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/isomers.htm


Have read of that link. Shulgin says there is a different effect of mdma depending on isomers.
Who knows weather the new chemists are making it a different way that alters the r or s quantities. So people who say mdma is mdma are wrong. If you delve further into the molecule it is possible to have different mdma because of the % of isomers can vary.
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I wonder how difficult it is to test an MDMA sample's isomer ratio in a polarimeter nowadays. Was always quite the expensive hassle with ketamine.
 
deano88 said:
mdma is mdma like beer is beer but that's not the point it's the quality and the way its made just like how a good beer is brewed if its not done properly to perfection you get a poor product.

I heard there was mdma powder that was a bright white sparking dust looked like pre ban meow. must of been good quality
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That is a pretty poor analogy as what makes a decent beer good is a wide range of different compounds contained within the brew. When you are producing MDMA you are aiming for one specific chemical and one only.


pothole said:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/isomers.htm


Have read of that link. Shulgin says there is a different effect of mdma depending on isomers.
Who knows weather the new chemists are making it a different way that alters the r or s quantities. So people who say mdma is mdma are wrong. If you delve further into the molecule it is possible to have different mdma because of the % of isomers can vary.
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I used to think this held some weight for a while but someone (think it was F&B) explained that the conventional routes used to synth MDMA would only yield a racemic mixture and not favour one isomer.

Case in point, Shulgin probably knew how to synth MDMA in the dark. If he could produce the seperate isomers himself why did he bother getting someone to produce a sample for him?
 
This is getting a bit technical for Me I'm just gonna say mdma is mdma it's easier
 
I guess we won't know until someone tests a few samples to see if the stuff around now is racemic. I think a lot of the varying effects are largely down to what state your brain is in at the time. Last week me and my friend had some MDMA, I was having a pretty normal experience, he was absolutely tripping his tits off. Full blown OEVs kinda thing, kept chatting rubbish about stuff that wasn't there. We had taken the same batch of stuff and the same amount (he is about 4 stone heavier than me as well). I don't know how you could explain that any other way?
 
I asked about the red youtubes and someone recommend me to look on dutch forum partyflock only problem is Iddon't understand dutch and I can't seea ttranslated version. could someone be kind enough to link me to the pill thread on there and I'll try use a online translator. cheers
 
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