To start I know that it is bad to experiment with morphine yada yada yada, but this is a drug forum so I'm asking the best way to use morphine recreationally without getting addicted to it. I was thinking of the "3-day rule" where I take it 3 days in a row, don't use it for 3 days straight, and then use it for 3 days in a row again, but I am not sure if this will build up my tolerance. I have also mainly heard that rule used for heroin, so maybe a larger amount of days applies for morphine? I use it orally and not IV, by the way. Thanks for the help and please no comments about not using opiates because I have a large amount of morphine that is not going to go to waste.
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Opioids How to manage recreational morphine usage
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The above plan is a reasonable plan, although I would encourage you to use fewer than three days in a row if you wish to avoid receptor downregulation. The key, though, truly, is do not increase your dose. Tolerance is a sign your body is becoming addicted.
TheLostBoys
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I'm assuming you are taking it recreationally & not for pain? If so, like others have mentioned, over time, you might get addicted because all you're doing is trying to satisfy your receptors with that awesome opiate feeling........if for pain, it usually isn't about the high, but about decreasing the pain but you can still get addicted as a pain patient as well.......
I guess you can try using once a week? 3 days straight sounds dangerous.......once a month sounds better. Good luck.......
I guess you can try using once a week? 3 days straight sounds dangerous.......once a month sounds better. Good luck.......
adder
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^ I agree. I've been addicted to opioids for 10 years now and it's much much worse psychologically to kick it than quitting clonazepam was, believe me. If you use morphine on consecutive days, then you can be sure that if you use for 3 days straight, then you'll definitely use for 3 more days and so on. If you take it recreationally, then the psychological bond appears almost instantly when you associate the good feeling with an opioid.
Numb19
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If you're taking them for fun, there will likely eventually come a time at some point where you go that one extra day to four days in a row or maybe five and this will lead to increased tolerance and withdrawal if you stop. And then you might end up taking them daily, perhaps multiple times a day, just to prevent yourself from getting sick.
Pill__Head
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it's not gunna happen.... its so sad this is how all addictions start, and I was the exact sane way..."Ill just use some oxy a few nights a week..." Opiates are unforgiving.
I have never been and addict and I consider myself to have good self control.
However, I dabbled with pills for a few months when I had to temporarily quit drinking. I put the same restrictions on my use that you did and after a month I was using every day. It scared the shit out of me and I realized that there is no real way to manage a recreational opiate habit. I had to quit before use and doses got out of control and I was addicted.
It sucks because opiates are awesome but I know there is no way I can responsibly use them.
However, I dabbled with pills for a few months when I had to temporarily quit drinking. I put the same restrictions on my use that you did and after a month I was using every day. It scared the shit out of me and I realized that there is no real way to manage a recreational opiate habit. I had to quit before use and doses got out of control and I was addicted.
It sucks because opiates are awesome but I know there is no way I can responsibly use them.
That statement is contradictory. The greater the absorption, the higher and faster his tolerance will build. Also, he didn't speak of bingeing, he may be using it once a day, or less, who knows?
Statistically speaking, less people who choose to experiment with with opioid abuse than those who do. The content of this thread is a bit misleading....
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Chronic oral morphine is just as effective as rectal, and has a faster onset.
Seriously, morphine is NOT a good choice for rectal.
and the fact you are having to plan you're opioid use is an indicator that you're already becoming addicted.
Seriously, morphine is NOT a good choice for rectal.
and the fact you are having to plan you're opioid use is an indicator that you're already becoming addicted.
Jesusgreen
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In my opinion you'd be better off using 3-4 days in a week but with days in between where you're clean, and then a week off. If part of your usage period contains daily dosing it'll get a lot harder to stick to, as it feels easier to justify extending a 3 day use period to 4 or 5 days than it does to use on an off day if you *always* leave at least a day in between. Like Lorne??? said, if you're having to plan your usage already that could be cause for concern - though if you're just new to opiates on the whole and are wanting to take extra harm reduction procedures to ensure you *don't* get addicted then that's a good thing. Just be aware that even the best routine can slip, and IMO you should instantly force yourself on a long break if even 1 day is out of line with whatever you schedule. Once again I recommend that you space your usage out with days in between, and then have a week break to drop your tolerance, otherwise tolerance will slowly raise and so will the frequency of your doses.
Lorne???, normally I agree with 99% of your posts but what are you on about with rectal Morphine? Rectal Morphine is waaaaaay better than oral. Seriously, it's the only ROA I'd consider personally other than IV. I have plenty of experience with oral, nasal, rectal and IV morphine. IV > rectal > nasal > oral in intensity, and oral ~= rectal > nasal > IV in duration. Morphine was the substance that convinced me plugging was worthwhile after all.
Nasal is pretty pointless since although the peak plasma concentration is hit faster and your 30mg snorted will feel better than 30mg oral initially, it wears off pretty fast in comparison, and you get more bang for your buck just eating it and not redosing. Rectal on the other hand is stronger than nasal, and lasts around the same as oral give or take half an hour or so. The difference isn't as noticeable with a lower tolerance where all ROAs are effective, but for example if you've been shooting Morphine a bunch and then try switch to another ROA, the difference really shows - when I was last shooting Morphine I'd actually feel the leftovers pretty nicely when plugged, but take them orally or snort them and I got nothing at all.
FWIW, oral BA is: 20-40%, rectal BA is: 36-71%. Duration about the same. I also find that the onset and time to peak is about the same, maybe it's a matter of debate because with any opiate use there's the issue of constipation and that interfering with plugging? I know plugged Morphine isn't that great if I haven't taken a shit in the last couple of days but otherwise it beats any ROA except IV for sure.
Oh one thing I will add, if you have pills with some kind of wax mechanism in them to stop them being IVed, you'll want to break the mechanism (whether it involves heating, a cold water extraction, etc depends on your specific brand of pills, look them up and look up the IV prep) if you decide to plug, otherwise they won't work at all, or barely at best. If you do that though plugging is worthwhile. I still consider it a decent ROA for Morphine even after having tried IV.
Lorne???, normally I agree with 99% of your posts but what are you on about with rectal Morphine? Rectal Morphine is waaaaaay better than oral. Seriously, it's the only ROA I'd consider personally other than IV. I have plenty of experience with oral, nasal, rectal and IV morphine. IV > rectal > nasal > oral in intensity, and oral ~= rectal > nasal > IV in duration. Morphine was the substance that convinced me plugging was worthwhile after all.
Nasal is pretty pointless since although the peak plasma concentration is hit faster and your 30mg snorted will feel better than 30mg oral initially, it wears off pretty fast in comparison, and you get more bang for your buck just eating it and not redosing. Rectal on the other hand is stronger than nasal, and lasts around the same as oral give or take half an hour or so. The difference isn't as noticeable with a lower tolerance where all ROAs are effective, but for example if you've been shooting Morphine a bunch and then try switch to another ROA, the difference really shows - when I was last shooting Morphine I'd actually feel the leftovers pretty nicely when plugged, but take them orally or snort them and I got nothing at all.
FWIW, oral BA is: 20-40%, rectal BA is: 36-71%. Duration about the same. I also find that the onset and time to peak is about the same, maybe it's a matter of debate because with any opiate use there's the issue of constipation and that interfering with plugging? I know plugged Morphine isn't that great if I haven't taken a shit in the last couple of days but otherwise it beats any ROA except IV for sure.
Oh one thing I will add, if you have pills with some kind of wax mechanism in them to stop them being IVed, you'll want to break the mechanism (whether it involves heating, a cold water extraction, etc depends on your specific brand of pills, look them up and look up the IV prep) if you decide to plug, otherwise they won't work at all, or barely at best. If you do that though plugging is worthwhile. I still consider it a decent ROA for Morphine even after having tried IV.
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devil_doll
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If you are an addict you will become addcited at some point. Thats just the way it is. Our (addcits) brains dont work the way a normal persons does where we can say "oh wow that was fun maybe ill do it again when i get the chance or feel like havin a lil fun". No, we HAVE to do it again or we drive ourselves crazy thinkin about it. It dont matter if we've been clean for 10yrs, we're addicts we'll always be addicts even when we're sober. We can never go there halfway, we'll always end up down in a hole. So, to sum it up and answer your question, the only way to find out is to give your plan a chance. But, if you have the mind of an addict that plan will fail and itll fail soon.
Rules aren't going to protect you from addiction.
3 days in a row will cause tolerance and probably quite terrible constipation. I would not recommend that dosing schedule for recreational purposes. Opiates feel great and for many people, self-formulated rules will not withstand temptation. What begins as a recreational pursuit may turn into perpetual suffering.
People's opinions and experiences vary widely, you're different from everyone else. You should listen foremost to yourself, your body and mind. Just be honest with yourself, you'll figure it out. If you're sure you want to get into this, take things slowly and get a feel for what morphine does to you. Be educated and never let your guard down because opiates are really serious drugs.
Also, just a note about the routes of administration being discussed in this thread. Pragmatically, oral wins every time. It's just far easier... Unless economy or availability is a real issue, why the fuck would you go through the trouble of putting drugs up your arse? Seriously.
3 days in a row will cause tolerance and probably quite terrible constipation. I would not recommend that dosing schedule for recreational purposes. Opiates feel great and for many people, self-formulated rules will not withstand temptation. What begins as a recreational pursuit may turn into perpetual suffering.
People's opinions and experiences vary widely, you're different from everyone else. You should listen foremost to yourself, your body and mind. Just be honest with yourself, you'll figure it out. If you're sure you want to get into this, take things slowly and get a feel for what morphine does to you. Be educated and never let your guard down because opiates are really serious drugs.
Also, just a note about the routes of administration being discussed in this thread. Pragmatically, oral wins every time. It's just far easier... Unless economy or availability is a real issue, why the fuck would you go through the trouble of putting drugs up your arse? Seriously.
imbatman
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I completely agree. Setting rules for yourself never works. You just have to use your common sense, "Is this a good idea to use again when I used yesterday. Probably not." As others have said, once a week or even once a month is a much better formula. If you don't have the self control to only use once a month, then you won't have the self control to not get addicted.