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Heroin Crazy potent Tar? wtf.

im still not getting really any buzz/high from this tar yet, ive been smoking some thing morning and literally no effect.... IK no one know for sure, but is the Bupe STILL blocking it.. or am I gunna HAVE to slam it to get a high, which honestly I dont, I just want to be able to smoke this tar as I love smoking it, was my first way ever getting high on heroin, and wow that first hit let me tell you year ago, I was IN HEAVEN.

Oh ya I forgot my main question, If I pop a couple 'dones do you think that'd help get the opiate high/buzz going or atleast ?

EDIT: Its been 36-40 hours since i last dosed any Sub..
 
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Lorne??? said:
(And no way you're finding 80% tar!)
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haha Yeah, maybe some of the best stuff in the world is around 80%, but that'd have to be STRAIGHT from mexico or literally wherever else it was just produced, once its down to the next man in the " chain of command" we'll call it in the drug word, it only gets more and more cut, loosing purity by the guy.

Of course I know you already know this, but Im just kinda rambling...meow.
 
Pill__Head said:
im still not getting really any buzz/high from this tar yet, ive been smoking some thing morning and literally no effect.... IK no one know for sure, but is the Bupe STILL blocking it.. or am I gunna HAVE to slam it to get a high, which honestly I dont, I just want to be able to smoke this tar as I love smoking it, was my first way ever getting high on heroin, and wow that first hit let me tell you year ago, I was IN HEAVEN.

Oh ya I forgot my main question, If I pop a couple 'dones do you think that'd help get the opiate high/buzz going or atleast ?

EDIT: Its been 36-40 hours since i last dosed any Sub..
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It'll still be partially blocked 40 hours after your last dose if you take Bupe every day. I've noticed some reduction in the effects of regular opiates 48+ hours after Bupe even when I only took it daily for 1-2 weeks. Give it 72+ hours before trying IMO.

That said, you can dose higher to get past the Bupe, but if you've got H that good why waste it when you're losing a big chunk of the effects to the Bupe blockage? I'd wait that extra day, chip if you have to in order to avoid feeling crappy.
 
Honestly I don't know where you're getting tar that doesn't smell of acetic acid, I live in a distribution hub and yeah....
 
Pill__Head said:
pssh bro,,. you dont want the smell of vinigar... that is simply leftover by-product of the process of making the tar heroin, the AA or whatever used, leaves the vinigary smell.

and trust me its tar.
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He's right and you want to almost burn of the vinegar smell initally on the foil before you start to intake. Seen this shit one time it was so strong the vinegar smell you could hardly smoke it all. Left it out for days opened and still so strong. Connect got a phone call for that one. but ya its just a by product of shitty processing.

It just has a unique tasty smell and when you smell it, you know its good
 
Ya know I was watching Drugs Inc the other night, and wanna say that sounds like some H I say on the Hawai episode. It looked kinda black like tar, but looked more like a light color brown like you would see on the East coast all over..Wish we had heroin here, everyoone here just does pills..I'm always thinking wtf as much as people love to shoot/snort their oxy,diludid, and fent patches, eating norcos like there is no such thing as a liver, you'd think some heroin would pop up, but no. We got meth though..debating on getting some Thursday, been so long...
 
chinacat311 said:
That's interesting you live so far north yet are getting seemingly very pure dope. Consensus seems to be the further north you go (farther from the source in Mexico), the more it gets stepped on and the weaker it gets. This is a major generalization though, so maybe you just got a special gift this once. Like someone else mentioned, short of getting it sent to a lab, or having someone IV it who has more experience with tar, it would be hard to tell if there are some active cuts (fentanyl, or others) that are increasing potency or if it is just purer than usual. With smoking it was always harder for me to judge potency because a lot of it gets burned/wasted in the smoke.. so I could never really get a good idea of the purity unless I IVed it. But if you don't have an IV habit, this wouldn't be a very good reason to start. Just give it another day or so off the Subs and you should start feeling the tar much stronger.
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Yeah, ive heard that same BS too about dope getting more and more stepped on the further north or away from mexi-land. But from my experience here up nearly as north as you can get in WA, ive always been able to get GOOD tar. Its most always from mexicans ( there is A LOT of beaners in WA) you wouldnt think so, but there are.. and perhaps thats why theres good tar, cuz of such a high mexican population some good stuff could make its way straight here.
 
It's also harder to cut tar...

' but yeah, you can get good H anywhere, I mean it's not like NYC is know for it's dope scene or anything...(but then, 8.2 million people, there are probably quite a few making it themselves!)

But I know a guy who travels a lot(and he spends A LOT of money on dope) and he says it's better in the south, so who knows...(he buys down here in bulk though, so it might contribute to why it is so... Fucking... Good!
 
I don't think that's necessarily true. To properly cut tar you would just dissolve it in water or alcohol (not isopropyl! The smell never leaves) mix whenever in and dry it out again. Never did it but I knew a girl who used to cut her dope before she sold it (and charged 3-6x for a point more than you'd pay in the city) and she claimed it was best to dissolve it in whiskey because the whiskey added weight too.

I see people on here with this false sense of security because they shoot dope and look down on people who shoot pills. Dope gets cut with all sorts of retarded shit. A friend got some cut with coffee creamer once. I'm not going to say shooting pills is safe but it's ridiculous to say dope is somehow safer. At least you know what you've got in pills, both active and inactive.

Same for people looking down on people who smoke pills. There are things that by virtue of bad active to inactive ratio don't make sense to smoke, like Percocet and vicodin, but consider what the ratio of active to inactive material is in marijuana... 5-10 percent THC is normal, and again, the components in something like that are less known than the pill binders. I don't think it would even hurt to smoke talc laden pills, I don't think it'll even vaporize.
 
It wouldn't hurt to smoke talc laden pills? LOL!!!

People think smoking pills is retarded because... It is fucking retarded. Really I should say attempting to smoke, as practically every prescription opioid is a HCL salt or similar, and they are not suitable for smoking.
I don't really agree with smoking H either, but can understand why people smoke base, and it at least is effective, and logical.

And I didn't say cutting tar was impossible, just harder. The very fact you need a process to cut it(whiskey, really?) makes it harder to cut than powder, which, as you pointed out, can easily be cut with coffee creamer ��
 
Dope around here in New England (although not tar, it's powder) is actually pretty good.. and when i speak with others from around the country some say that we get some of the less stepped on and better quality (not saying the BEST, but GOOD) shit here, but there has been a plague lately of deaths from "OD's" which in my opinion is from a bad/dangerous cut, not from doing too much dope itself. Than again, I could be wrong and we could have 100% pure dope circulating killing many (hope you caught the sarcasm) but if it does happen to be true, we've got some dumbass dealers who obviously don't have a brain to cut it down to make more money, and make it safer aka NOT kill off their clientele.

And lets not get off subject with the smoking pills argument and whatnot, im sick of this argument, it is stupid to do period.
Argue with me in a thread made for that discussion if someone wants to argue about that.
Let's not derail Pill Heads dope thread and start arguments and everyones opinion on ROA's of different forms of drug.
We all know what works and what doesn't, in fact we also know what works but not very well, example: Smoking a pill.
I can't say it DOESN'T work because many people claim to do it and get effects. But BA wise, it isn't practical.
I used to shoot pills (with micron filtering), and I don't look down upon anyone in life for any reason. Even if what I think their doing is wrong,misinformed, and or pointless.
And about the smoking talc part, that is ridiculous. Talc is bad for your lungs, just as microcrystalline cellulose is.

Back to on topic discussion I am suggesting:

-HOOD

(Sorry for many ninja edits, cant seem to type right this morning lol. Many misspelled words needed fixing.)
 
Lorne??? said:
It wouldn't hurt to smoke talc laden pills? LOL!!!

People think smoking pills is retarded because... It is fucking retarded. Really I should say attempting to smoke, as practically every prescription opioid is a HCL salt or similar, and they are not suitable for smoking.
I don't really agree with smoking H either, but can understand why people smoke base, and it at least is effective, and logical.

And I didn't say cutting tar was impossible, just harder. The very fact you need a process to cut it(whiskey, really?) makes it harder to cut than powder, which, as you pointed out, can easily be cut with coffee creamer ��
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I used to smoke so MANY Roxie 30's.. .I thought it was the unlimate way to get high, i guess this was back when i was early in my dope game, but trust me I did indeed get freakin' stoned to the moon from smoking oxy, people say its a waste, but if you have technique, it can you high as FUCK.

and let me tell you how to most "safely" and effectively smoke a pill:

Items needed to smoke pill: paper clip, butter knife, torch, tooter ( about size of pill if not slightly larger ).
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1) heat up end of paper clip till red not, then stick it directly into the middle of your pill.( It will melt into your pill, and at this time if your good you would inhale the small vapors that are caused by the paperclip sinking into the pill)

2) now with your pill that is now attached to the end of the paper clip( yeah the pill stays on the paperclip, its cool), HEAT up about the last 1" (inch) of your butter knife till red hot, with the knife sittin about half way on/off a table.

3) with your tooter directly above pill/heated knife end, slowly dab the pill ( that is attached to the end of paperclip as a handle) to the HOT end of the butter knife, inhale vapors and your DONE.

Its that easy.. and once your lounges get used to rough vapours/ whatever other cancer causing agents that re endtering your lunges , you wont instanly cough to death , and then can hold it in to enjoy the high :D

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I doubt you're going to vaporize talc (hydrated magnesium silicates) at temps that wouldn't completely destroy your active. Seems like a non issue. As for microcrystalline cellulose, it'll decompose before anything is vaporizing even. Sugars are not high temperature stable molecules. You bring up good reasons not to snort pills, not reasons against smoking them.

And hydrochloride salts of some Actives are completely smokeable. Amphetamines, for one. Opioids, too.

Most American heroin is the hydrochloride salt, not some special salt form.
 
Screaming_Skull said:
I tried smoking a roxy ONE time just for the fuck of it, it was half a 30. I know I did it wrong because we could not get the damn thing to run on the foil AT ALL would not budge, I inhaled some smoke, and think I felt something for 20 minutes.
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The foil method was your problem :). Your gotta try my method as explained above. I wouldn't of been wasting those "golden' roxie pills nothing brother.

Im not some dumbass looking for any high I can get. I never fell for snorting oxy. All I did was EAT it or VAPE it.
 
Hammilton said:
I doubt you're going to vaporize talc (hydrated magnesium silicates) at temps that wouldn't completely destroy your active. Seems like a non issue. As for microcrystalline cellulose, it'll decompose before anything is vaporizing even. Sugars are not high temperature stable molecules. You bring up good reasons not to snort pills, not reasons against smoking them.

And hydrochloride salts of some Actives are completely smokeable. Amphetamines, for one. Opioids, too.

Most American heroin is the hydrochloride salt, not some special salt form.
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Touché
 
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