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Moving to France - questions about drug subculture

socko

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I have no idea where else to ask this. It's not the kind of thing someone asks on an American expat forum. So, I'm moving to Paris (from USA) in a few months.

I was wondering whether there are there any bluelighters in Paris? How strict is French society about drug use? Are opiates available there (other than codeine)? Are there things, people, behavior, or places I should definitely avoid? What should I know before I leave? I have never been to France so I'm totally clueless. I have 3 months. Thanks.
 
Can't say I know too much about the drug culture there but from the little I've heard it's one of the more open and friendly countries in that respect where you don't have to take your drug use completely underground and be paranoid about it. Also if you've ever seen the Finnish documentary about IV Buprenorphine (Subutex in particular) users, the people in the documentary travel to Paris during their travels and find it easy to buy a bunch of Subutex on their first day, so that's certainly available and seems like it has its culture over there - though I'm guessing if you've been using opiates for longer that's not what you're looking for, but if you haven't been using them long it'll beat Codeine imo.

You should get on pretty well there - as in most of Europe more people than not have a good enough grasp of English for you to ask questions without knowing the local language, and French is a nice language if you're willing to spend the time learning. All the people I know there have a really nice attitude too, might have just got lucky myself with who I know from there but it definitely seems like one of the better places if you're considering a new place to move.
 
A friendly reminder from one of your friendly neighbourhood moderators

Please let's not get too specific with any answers, lest it appear like sourcing.

It's OK to say something exists, or is available; but please, to avoid disappointment☆, don't go giving any clues -- however cryptic -- as to how to find it.

☆ such as premature thread closure, *snip*pings or enforced holidays
 
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You're an idiot if you're contemplating moving to a place full off narcissists.

Unless you have trusted contacts everyone will fuck you over.
 
PM Pagey ?...I suspect she is your girl to best answer it? Hope you don't mind the suggestion Pagey? Regardless of any other questions re. Drugs etc if you don't already speak French..learn as much as possible..Some will respect you for trying to speak it even if it's not very good..others will answer you in perfect English and many who speak perfect English and ..you speak fair French..will act like they haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Funny old world!

I think this article will give you a clue about their projected ideas..not suggesting you are or aren't heroin user..

Interesting either way


Oh and do try and take photographs that give the illusion that the Eiffel tower is sat on your head...that is expected.

Je vous souhaite tout le bonheur du monde ;)
 
if you don't already speak French..learn as much as possible..Some will respect you for trying to speak it even if it's not very good..others will answer you in perfect English
/\ This. Many French people relish the opportunity to practise their English, but they will still expect you at least to try to speak to them in their own language first.

When I was working on a campsite on the Côte d'Azur (*sigh* great days), I used to make a point of never speaking English around the British tourists; they used to let some interesting things slip, if they thought I could not understand a word they were saying.
 
Jesusgreen: Thanks for the information. I'll check the documentary about Subutex. Also, I can read French fairly well and understand spoken French some. It's just that my pronunciation is horrible. And I have trouble forming cogent sentences. I'll work on becoming fluent before I get there. BBC has some French tutorials on its website that look promising.

inflorescence: People in Montreal appreciated my effort to speak French when I traveled there. And nobody ever made me feel embarrassed for trying. Also, that's an interesting article. Having such a service available would take away much of the temptation to do it. I respond to the Psychology of Scarcity. If something is hard to find and "forbidden", I want to do it all the time. If it's everywhere, it's boring, and I won't do it very often. Merci pour les paroles aimables.

Arnold: What do you mean by being full of narcissists? I'm a complete idiot on the matter, so I'm curious about your response. Did you have a bad experience in Paris? Also, I appreciate the warning about getting ripped off. I know never to front money to somebody on the street. I would imagine it's just as dangerous to try to cop on the street there as it is here in the US, say in San Francisco where I used to live, but I'm only trying to get an idea of the drug subculture. BTW, San Francisco and much of southern California is full of narcissists as well. I try to avoid people who come across that way, and I will look for a few friends I can relate to.

Julie, thanks for the reminder. I definitely do not want sources. I'm only curious as to whether opiates exist there or would I have to travel to other cities to find them.
 
Socko, that's OK. I didn't want to appear heavy-handed and start flinging accusations of sourcing around, particularly as you were still keeping it general enough to be well within the rules.

But I'm going to have to sound a bit heavy-handed with Arnold, because that's a sweeping generalisation. It's simply not fair to say all Parisians are Narcissists, any more than it is to say all English people can't be bothered to learn a foreign language (which I suppose is a form of Narcissism). And it's not just Parisians, or daffodil growers (that was a mistranslation ;) ), who might "fuck you over". Any deal you do with a stranger is always a risk. Use common sense, trust your instincts and keep your wits about you at all times.
 
Oh socko I don't know why I didn't mention the name but the documentary/film is: Reindeerspotting.

You might need to find subtitles separately if you find a stream or download online, but a quick Google for English subs will do the trick :)
 
Arnold: What do you mean by being full of narcissists? I'm a complete idiot on the matter, so I'm curious about your response. Did you have a bad experience in Paris? Also, I appreciate the warning about getting ripped off. I know never to front money to somebody on the street. I would imagine it's just as dangerous to try to cop on the street there as it is here in the US, say in San Francisco where I used to live, but I'm only trying to get an idea of the drug subculture. BTW, San Francisco and much of southern California is full of narcissists as well. I try to avoid people who come across that way, and I will look for a few friends I can relate to.

But I'm going to have to sound a bit heavy-handed with Arnold, because that's a sweeping generalisation. It's simply not fair to say all Parisians are Narcissists, any more than it is to say all English people can't be bothered to learn a foreign language (which I suppose is a form of Narcissism). And it's not just Parisians, or daffodil growers (that was a mistranslation ;) ), who might "fuck you over". Any deal you do with a stranger is always a risk. Use common sense, trust your instincts and keep your wits about you at all times.
I've known over 300 of the cunts and a French cunt is something else let alone someone using drugs.
I'd avoid 99% of them, this is not to say there's some ok froggies out there but fuck me they're a serious minority.

I mean just that they're narcissists and most suffer from NPD too, no joke. Plus even if you manage to find something there it's seriously overpriced.
Take a train and travel for two hours...

To be a cunt myself and I apologize profusely about that but look at what whappened to mugz, a fucking Parisian say no more and point proven...
 
apparently weed is far more accepted over there but harder stuff is less so. In comparison to the UK.
 
PM Pagey ?...I suspect she is your girl to best answer it? Hope you don't mind the suggestion Pagey?

Nah no worries at all.
I'm in a bit of a hurry now socko but I lived in Paris 17 years and did many drugs there for a number of them so I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. Feel free to PM me, I'll also take a closer look at the thread when I've got more time and give a general answer :)
 
I've known over 300 of the cunts and a French cunt is something else let alone someone using drugs.
I'd avoid 99% of them, this is not to say there's some ok froggies out there but fuck me they're a serious minority.

I mean just that they're narcissists and most suffer from NPD too, no joke. Plus even if you manage to find something there it's seriously overpriced.
Take a train and travel for two hours...

To be a cunt myself and I apologize profusely about that but look at what whappened to mugz, a fucking Parisian say no more and point proven...
The opposite end of narcism is low self esteem, or as the French would call it, le pussy
 
In the french judicial system there is no difference between classes of drugs ie. A, B ,C.... Allthough a judge will hand out a lower sentance for cannabis dealing than cocaine, there technically is no difference between hard and soft drugs.

France is the biggest consumer per person of weed/hash in western europe yet has the most harsh repressive laws.

Cops here can stop you for no reason and search your person, but once you into your twenties you stop getting harrassed unless you look like a hoodlum or are arab (cops are very racist here)

You might get away with a verbal warning for possession of weed or hash lets say under 10 grams, depending on where you are (in a nice or shitty neighbourhood) and depending on your cooperation, but you can also spend the night in jail for one spliff, theres no fixed rules there, anything other than weed or hash, and you'll go to jail for the day/night up to 48 hours, but a simple user is extremely unlikely to get sent to prison for coke, heroin etc.

France has needle exchanges, as well as free methadone/subutex centers, there are people with progressive HR views towards drugs, from doctors to judges, but most are harsher on drugs than other western european countries.

What you can and cant find:

Hash is everywhere, go to any "project" and they're selling,but don't blindly trust a rasta with your money coz he has dreads, and speaks a bit of english... it's cheap and potent esp. in THC (no CBD) Weed is more expensive, past a certain age, most people have friends who are connects. People smoke in the evenings by the river Seine, or in parks etc, just gotta be a bit smart and aware.

Cocaine is sold in the ghetto's but is 90% cut or entire rip off, but there are very high grade relatively cheap serious dealers, but you're likely to get mediocre stuff, unless you've been around for a while.

There are a couple open air drug markets for crack, in and around the capital, there is also a lot of rip-offs

If you like electronic music, dnb etc. and make friends you will have no problem getting good MDMA (xtc pills are shit though) those "sort of people" will likely have access to decent weed and LSD, maybe shrooms.

Subutex is everywwhere on the black marcket, and morphine (skenan) is relatively easy to find, allthough the government has clamped down recently on crooked doctors, and have secure systems to prevent doc shopping, and sellers if they feel a hint you're not french will try to rip you off, and definately double the price (i don't know if i'm allowed to PM you the average prices of opiates, and open air opiate drug markets...).

Oxycodone and hydromorphone and other opiate pharms exept tramadol are very hard to come by.

GHB is piss easy to get if you usse that thing between your ears.

At underground raves, as well as organised "technivals" you can get pretty much anything, the K comes from england , opium from italy, the prices are slightly bumped up, and french ravers especially like their LSD.

RC's like the rest of the world, but usually banned in france a few months after the UK (hard to keep track of what is being made illegal and when)

Heroin is rather low grade apparantly, but all over the north of the city, and northern subburbs (not my thing though)... like with everything, it's best to get introduced, if you don't sound french, or seem unsure you WILL be ripped off.

Codeine and promethazine are otc

Benzos ar ridiculously easy to get Rx'ed by any doctor.

Never seen PCP.

Methamphetamine is still very rare, can be found at raves.

Booze is cheap in the shops, but very expensive in bars and clubs.

The best way is to make friends and connects through electronic music nights, and there are lots of international people in Paris nightclubs and you can get most things, raves even more so...., but like most places DON'T give your money up front to a stranger who will "do the run for you"....

On the other hand if you're only looking for opiates, they are mostly frowned upon by the clubbing, and to a certain extent raving community....

Hope this helps a bit, feel free to PM
 
Wow! That was a fantastically informative post. OP should find it extremely helpful.

Oh, by the way, we are allowed to discuss prices as long as it's kept to personal amounts.
 
Heroin -if you can find it is crap, everyone shoots subs. Weird really given its geographical location and the number of immigrents who come from countries where gear is cheap and plentiful
 
phatass: Excellent post -- that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. I appreciate your taking the time to write it.
 
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