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Question for those very involved in the rave scene - about PEA

Seattle_Stranger

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Hey all, I just have a curiosity question for those of you who often find yourselves at raves and EDM events where MDMA and other drugs are very common. Often enough to simply know whats going on around the community, what rumors are spreading, what's the new hotness, etc.. Some who considers themselves a raver.

I've read some small accounts of something known as "sweetpea", "quickrolls", or even by it's chemical name, Phenylethylamine showing up in certain circles. I even read a news article about a young raver girl who had her house raided because she had a plethora of pre-packed capsules of Phenylethylamine and an MAOI known as Hordenine that she was selling as "quickrolls". Fortunate for her, both chemicals are completely legal to possess and not generally regarded as active substances or drugs with recreation/abuse potential....so the silly cops actually had to return her stash and formally apologize. Quite funny actually...

However, at the time, knowing what PEA and hordenine do what taken together, I grew curious. Are people actually selling PEA at raves calling it a "qucirolls" or "sweetpea"? Is this like, actually a thing that people do? Personally I think it's silly to go around selling it simply because of simple it is to obtain and how simple the effects are. However, as indicated in my personal trip report here, one may see that there is actually something there..: Trip Report - Phenethylamine HCL | Semi-experienced | Ideal-for-rolling-when-rolling-isn-t-ideal In short, I tried taking some PEA and hordenine at an EDM event to see for myself how this would play out, and much to my pleasant surprise, I felt a strong rolling-like high for the better part of an hour and then was completely baseline by +2h. Definitely enhanced the EDM experience for a short while. I've heard of people continuously redosing to keep it going, but I haven't tried this.


So totally out of curiosity, have any of you ravers heard of such a thing gaining popularity?
 
It's not terribly unreasonable. According to the wiki PEA releases norepinephrine and dopamine a-la amphetamine, but has a half-life of only a few minutes. Taking a MAOI might extend it.

I'm a little disturbed by the idea of packing capsules with MAOI though. What happens when someone decides to mix it with a serotnonin releaser?
 
Clocktower said:
It's not terribly unreasonable. According to the wiki PEA releases norepinephrine and dopamine a-la amphetamine, but has a half-life of only a few minutes. Taking a MAOI might extend it.

I'm a little disturbed by the idea of packing capsules with MAOI though. What happens when someone decides to mix it with a serotnonin releaser?
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Bingo. It's horribly irresponsible of the young woman in her case. Also, I wonder if she was selling the phenibut as G or something...

I suppose it's good news to hear that this is not something rampant out there. Stay safe!
 
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i thought that even selling fake drugs as illegal ones was illegal?
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I assume they didn't have enough proof that she was actually selling, and thought that they'd find illegal drugs and that would simply be enough for a conviction. When it turned out they had no proof of sales AND no illegal compounds, they literally had nothing.

Also, the 1000 gel caps aren't proof of intent to sell, I personally have all the compounds mentioned in the news article as well as others, sitting right next to a gigantic bag of size 000 empty gel caps, and every last bit of it is intended for me and me only. With supplements like this doses are often in the grams, so 1000 size 00 caps could easily be barely a month supply for one person using them therapeutically.
 
Having used PEA for a while, I would also consider it a "quickroll". I consider it short-lived MDMA without the physical negative side effects. Since I've only taken it without an MAOI, dosing went accordingly for me:
300-600mg: Light
800-1500mg: Medium
2g+: Strong

Duration is directly correlated to the dose. Assuming you are on a completely empty stomach, a 300-600mg dose only lasts me about 30-45 minutes, a 1-1.5g dose will last me 1.5-2 hours, and a 2g+ dose tends to last me 2-3 hours. I'v experimented with doses in increments of 300mg up to 7g. Having tried MDMA, MDA, 6-APB, AMT, and 5-MAPB, the 7g dose lasted me a full 3.5 hours and was one of the most physically euphoric, tactile, and warm rolling experience I've ever had. I have a full-fledged report on the 7g experience but I dunno if I can link to the nexus.

The experience starts peaks in 15-30 minutes (dep. on stomach contents) and is physically euphoric as well as mentally. It is devoid of visuals but it does give everything a fuzzy look to it with some color enhancement. I feel very easy flowing on it and is comparable to the comfortableness of an opiate combined with the empathogenic and entactogenic aspects of MDMA/MDA without the negative side effects of jaw clenching, muscle tightness. It's actually quite relaxing and can even be "couch-melting status". It is personally a worthwhile and underrated compound, but that may be due to the fact that you have to eat so damn much of the powder to feel anything; not everyone is down with taking eight 000 capsules that smell like fish.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
i thought that even selling fake drugs as illegal ones was illegal?
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If you are selling fake drugs that marketed and sold as illicit substances you may be criminally liable.

Seattle - I live in Seattle and I haven't heard of quick rolls but I never buy anything from people at raves. I'm going to Paradiso this weekend and if I hear anyone talking about it I'll report back.
 
MMPA said:
Having used PEA for a while, I would also consider it a "quickroll". I consider it short-lived MDMA without the physical negative side effects. Since I've only taken it without an MAOI, dosing went accordingly for me:
300-600mg: Light
800-1500mg: Medium
2g+: Strong

Duration is directly correlated to the dose. Assuming you are on a completely empty stomach, a 300-600mg dose only lasts me about 30-45 minutes, a 1-1.5g dose will last me 1.5-2 hours, and a 2g+ dose tends to last me 2-3 hours. I'v experimented with doses in increments of 300mg up to 7g. Having tried MDMA, MDA, 6-APB, AMT, and 5-MAPB, the 7g dose lasted me a full 3.5 hours and was one of the most physically euphoric, tactile, and warm rolling experience I've ever had. I have a full-fledged report on the 7g experience but I dunno if I can link to the nexus.

The experience starts peaks in 15-30 minutes (dep. on stomach contents) and is physically euphoric as well as mentally. It is devoid of visuals but it does give everything a fuzzy look to it with some color enhancement. I feel very easy flowing on it and is comparable to the comfortableness of an opiate combined with the empathogenic and entactogenic aspects of MDMA/MDA without the negative side effects of jaw clenching, muscle tightness. It's actually quite relaxing and can even be "couch-melting status". It is personally a worthwhile and underrated compound, but that may be due to the fact that you have to eat so damn much of the powder to feel anything; not everyone is down with taking eight 000 capsules that smell like fish.
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I find it's only euphoric while you're dancing. If I stop moving, I instantly become nauseous and dysphoric. I couldn't understand the couch-lock thing. However, your report about the 3.5 hour experience, did you dose all at once? What was your stomach contents? Did you have anything else with it, like cannabis, nicotine or alcohol? I wonder how PEA would mix with a stimulant like prolintane.

For me, it barely takes 500mg and no MAOI to feel as intense of a rush as I would ever want to feel, regardless of stomach contents! I wonder if there would be some kind of way to formulate a timed-release, so I don't have to pop another cap every 30 minutes.
 
MMPA said:
I have a full-fledged report on the 7g experience but I dunno if I can link to the nexus.
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Yeah you can, no problem. As long as it's beneficial for harm reduction, which it is, and doesn't break any forum rules, which it doesn't, you can link to it. It would be interesting to read a full report about this compound

You could also make a new thread in the trip reports forum of course, that way anyone on bluelight can search for it if they want to
 
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Haven't heard of this, but I went on to check what's up with that MAOI here. Turns out it's not MAOI at all, Hordenine is a MAO-B substrate, which only potentiates the metabolizm of phenetylamines, afaik. Anyone with biochem knowledge care to chime in with some wisdom?
 
ive combined these two and got nothing a little bit of a rush. I may ahve gone up to 500 mgs or a gram, been so many years since i did pea and hordenine together
 
PEA combined with an MAO-B inhibitor, like selegeline, can produce a powerful effect. Please do not do this, as tolerance builds quickly, and it can be strongly habit forming. There are other reports on BL, I think is where I saw them, of people being hideously addicted to this combo. I think it's probably safer to do the large doses of PEA, pushing past the breakdown by MAO-B, but the effect will diminish with the next use. It's kind of a one-time deal.
 
PEA combined with an MAO inhibitor will defiantly potentate the euphoria. Using PEA in high doses is bad for a number of reasons the main one being the toxic metabolites of PEA. Many people are quick to shoot down PEA ,but it is way more complex then to hyper dose ,or take with hordinine or any other MAOi-B. To fully activate PEA you will need numerous other things such as adrenalin MAOi-A (not as important) and certain vitamins including vitamin b6. Everybody metabolizes different chemicals different but as my experimenting as well as the compiled information by various others i have formulated in my opinion one of the best natural easy to obtain and cheap MDMA substitute.

80mg -Caffeine-To speed up the digestion possess the ability to provide stimulation
80mg -B6-To reduce the b3 pathway and increase the 5htp/dopamine pathway
160mg -Hordinine-MAOi-b selective
600mg -pea-Main substance to potentate in this amount because of best uptake without any negatives including headaches and nausea
200mg -rhodiola Rosea-MAO non selective inhibitor to reduce breakdown of PEA in the digestive system

total-1120mg will fit into 2 00 size pills so the possibility is there to sell

This combination will lead to almost MDMA type euphoria that will last for 3-4 hours.

"Cholinergic stimulation and energy are good, and they help you feel dopamine more, but they don't cause that electric feeling that feels so good when combined with dopamine. Not many natural stimulants cause that in the brain as well as the body." This is why people feel PEA differently it is the amount of activity done or adrenaline released that causes greater activation of PEA! cyanne pepper extract can cause an adrenalin rush but has the draw backs of very short lasing and people describe the supplement as only being useful for a week before tolerance builds up. L-tyrosine may cause an electric feeling but is unknown to me weather it potentates the effects of PEA.
 
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