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made it through withdrawals. Now what?

I would consider taking a year off of everything to try and facilitate the quickest neurochemical restabilization and thus the fastest trip through any paws. Brain chemistry is really interested and if we want the system to calm back down to a a nice base level it often helps if we quit manipulating it until it does. Instead we can try and promote it with natural sleep, meditation, exercise, etc.

Anxiety is an emotion that indicates there is something your brain needs you to address.. it feels so uncomfortable to try and manipulate us into addressing whatever it is so it will go away. If we use drugs to try and avoid addressing it then it never gets addressed and so it never goes away and leaves us in peace. The brain doesn't like being ignored in this way and if we do it long enough its likely to send other worse manipulations our way.. depression, mood pain (fibromyalgia)


Just a few things to consider..

Do you have any idea whats the cause of the anxiety?
 
neversickanymore said:
Just a few things to consider..

Do you have any idea whats the cause of the anxiety?
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Yeah, I have a pretty good idea what it is, It was pretty much the reason I started using opiates in the first place, But it all started about 7 years ago when i was diagnosed with cancer, After the cancer was gone, I had/have serious issues stemming from questioning having my own mortality put into question at such a young age (20 years old). It may sound strange, but the only time I have ever gotten relief from these feelings is the couple weeks after eating excessive amounts of hallucinogens at music festivals, Not saying that this is a good way to deal with it, And obviously my opiate use was a result of not properly dealing with these emotions.

I don't know if I am making any sense, Just realized how shitty of an idea it was to drink some coffee this soon after getting clean.
 
Makes total sense to me.. hope what I wrote makes sense back.



Just a possibility I thought I would mention. Have you been able to identify "your calling" or what you feal your meant to do with your life? I think that being forced to deal with the certainty of eventual death, at that age. on a level that makes this concept concrete and not just a fuzzy, often avoided, notion people keep at a safe distance thus only seems to become real when we are stared down by it... could cause a person to begin to have anxiety until they get on the right path. Where many others that age generally feal pretty invincible and don't worry about finding the path of their life, as they are "certain" to have a whole life to do this. I wonder with the experience you underwent could the anxiety be coming from a unconscious desire to find your path because in your thoughts a life time became finite.
 
neversickanymore said:
Makes total sense to me.. hope what I wrote makes sense back.



Just a possibility I thought I would mention. Have you been able to identify "your calling" or what you feal your meant to do with your life? I think that being forced to deal with the certainty of eventual death, at that age. on a level that makes this concept concrete and not just a fuzzy, often avoided, notion people keep at a safe distance thus only seems to become real when we are stared down by it... could cause a person to begin to have anxiety until they get on the right path. Where many others that age generally feal pretty invincible and don't worry about finding the path of their life, as they are "certain" to have a whole life to do this. I wonder with the experience you underwent could the anxiety be coming from a unconscious desire to find your path because in your thoughts a life time became finite.
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You are a wise person!

That made more sense to me than most of the thoughts i have had in the last 6 years, I path is for sure something I am lacking, I would say my path is what is giving me so much anxiety, I don't know what it is!!! When i was diagnosed with cancer, i was sure that the career path i was on, was what i needed to be on.

Afterwards i became much more apathetic, I did not want to do anything, for the sake of not starting something. I could not find things worth spending my precious amounts of time on without the thought of death lingering behind me. Now the fear of death has sort of subsided, And i just find myself in the same thinking when it comes to starting something. I have this inclination that no matter what i start doing, There is some sort of outside force bent on fucking it up for me. So it worked into this lull of non-action = non-risk
 
That gnawing feeling is telling you to do something you do not want to. I spent so much time and money getting drugs and doing drugs its hard to imagine anything without but it happens. Yea, I feel wide awake and I have only slept six hours in 5 days so go you for sleeping so soon!
 
Has anyone else had very vivid and violent dreams after discontuing opiate use? I wake up from them 2 to 3 times a night from them. I'm not really having problems sleeping. It seems to have started a few days after I got out of the acute phase of withdrawals. Maybe it is just a sign brain chemistry is returning to normal.
 
Very very typical of withdrawal in general. I don't have ones with violence, but I constantly have massive anxiety inducing dreams (recently I had a dream I was stealing baseball cards from a store and the next night I had a dream I was in middle school at my present age and forgot to turn in a test. This resulted in me having a massive panic attack and seeking out the nurse to call my parents, weird shit). But sometimes I snap awake during these dreams and realize I am having a very physical reaction.

Also, there are likely going to be using dreams. The first few seconds you wake up it really sucks thinking you "fucked up"
 
munchbawks said:
Maybe it is just a sign brain chemistry is returning to normal.
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I think this is a good sign that the healing has begun..:)

Like omen pointed out you will likely have some useing dreams.. well they should be called about to use when something goes wrong or trying to use as we never get there.. many times it will hit us with guilt and shame when we have these.. call it on its shit, sending us dreams to try and manipulate us to use and then making us feal guilty for them in the morning, nonsense. Your doing great and this may be a common occurrence for a half year or so. or it may not.. usually goes away once the opiate receptors shut down in a few months.
 
Hey! Congrats on staying strong and clearing away from the fog, as I like to refer it to. I don't know if this has been recommended by anyone but I like to take 500mg Magnesium for the jitteryness. I have a big problem with restless leg and arm syndrome, so this helps immensely. Exercising is a big help, but when you can't get to it everyday, take Magnesium.
 
So I had a using dream last night. It was messed up. But in the dream I actually turned away the drugs. And then woke up feeling anxious as hell which was weird because I have been feeling pretty good for the most part
 
Thank you neversick for the links on Paws. I have already seen them in my research on Paws but most people relapse because of Paws. It can be a real bitch feeling crappy for a year or two but a lot of things help. I'm on 3mg klonapin, Welbutin, and requip for the RLS. And several amino acids and vitamins, and hard as it is a heathy diet and exersize help too.
I detoxed off 120mg of methadone 3 months ago, had no acute withdraw till the Paws hit a month later.
 
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