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Opioids Questions for those ENJOY and USE kratom extracts , UEI mainly

al-laddin

al-laddin

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So if youve ever so much as had any interest in extracts you are probably aware of the fact that this stuff is PRICEY. But I hear from some that its well worth it, others say its not. The latter are people with limited experience with kratom and likely do not have a good source for an decent extract. SO this question is more for those who enjoy extracts. I am aware of the rapid tolerenace developement and no to heed caution. Im look at a particular site selling 5 grams for roughly what you would pay for an OZ of Maeng da. The plain leaf product from this site is phenomenal and very effective. So Im assuming at this price it would be active at about 0.5 grams. If so thats not a terrible price especially if the extract experience is more "refined" and closer to what one might experience from a "codone". Please correct me if Im wrong on these assumptions. What Im looking for is an experience that is closer to perhaps 50 mgs oxycodone and Ive heard from a few sources the extract is where its at but you also run into the same risks and problems that you would from any other pharm if thats the buzz you are looking to achieve. Thanks in advance guys.
 
al-laddin said:
So if youve ever so much as had any interest in extracts you are probably aware of the fact that this stuff is PRICEY. But I hear from some that its well worth it, others say its not. The latter are people with limited experience with kratom and likely do not have a good source for an decent extract. SO this question is more for those who enjoy extracts. I am aware of the rapid tolerenace developement and no to heed caution. Im look at a particular site selling 5 grams for roughly what you would pay for an OZ of Maeng da. The plain leaf product from this site is phenomenal and very effective. So Im assuming at this price it would be active at about 0.5 grams. If so thats not a terrible price especially if the extract experience is more "refined" and closer to what one might experience from a "codone". Please correct me if Im wrong on these assumptions. What Im looking for is an experience that is closer to perhaps 50 mgs oxycodone and Ive heard from a few sources the extract is where its at but you also run into the same risks and problems that you would from any other pharm if thats the buzz you are looking to achieve. Thanks in advance guys.
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There's alot of people out there who say they are a waste of time/won't get you as high, and with the amount of vendors i'd say that to be a fairly accurate statement. That being said, when i used kratom, there were definitely some good extracts i had purchased that produced a very satisfactory experience, but still, from what I know, i consider myself lucky, and on top of that, the pricing/high is probably equivalent if you were to just buy the plain leaf.

I'd say to just go with a high quality leaf instead of an extract, and if you didn't know, kratom will only really give you a solid opiate buzz if your tolerance is relatiely low (~between 10-20mg hydro/oxycodone) and even then it's not guaranteed, so to try and achieve a FIFTY mg equivalent dose is pretty damn pointless.
 
Ive been using kratom for 2 years and I have a 60mg oxy tolerance. Ive never had a problem achieving euphoria with kratom. I also keep my opiate use to a minimum. I noticed you aked about "captain kratom" in the megathread. If you are using headshop brands i imagine that is why you arent getting much of a buzz. It took a bit of research before I found legit vendors with quality product. I recently stumbled upon a leaf that was active at 2 grams....felt like about 20mgs hydro at that dose...Strongest Ive ever had and had to double check to make sure it wasnt enhanced. This stuff is a hidden gem and is sold at a regular price.
 
al-laddin said:
Ive been using kratom for 2 years and I have a 60mg oxy tolerance. Ive never had a problem achieving euphoria with kratom. I also keep my opiate use to a minimum. I noticed you aked about "captain kratom" in the megathread. If you are using headshop brands i imagine that is why you arent getting much of a buzz. It took a bit of research before I found legit vendors with quality product. I recently stumbled upon a leaf that was active at 2 grams....felt like about 20mgs hydro at that dose...Strongest Ive ever had and had to double check to make sure it wasnt enhanced. This stuff is a hidden gem and is sold at a regular price.
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Hahahahahaha, that was my first experience with kratom, very funny to see it now.

Anyway, no i wasn't using headshop brands i was ordering multiple ounces of what i considered to be fairly quality stuff weekly, and, idk if you've ever actually taken hydro or oxycodone or are just extremely extremely lucky, but for 99.9% of the population kratom in very high doses will not produce nearly as euphoric as an experience as oxy or hydro in high doses.
Also, saying you keep opiate use to a minimum yet have an oxy tolerance of 60mg also makes me somewhat suspicious of your usage of those drugs.

Andddddddd the megathreads right there for you to POST in, not just look at it, it helps keep BL more organized.
 
I did also post an in depth question about this in the kratom megathread (3) per your advise and got no reponse....just ignored.

I use opiates once or twice a month. It requires me two oxy 30's or equivalent of any other opiate substance to make me "happy" throughout the night. Like I said I do this once or twice a month. And then maintain kratom most other days. I am currently dependant on kratom but have quit several times with very little discomfort. I DO a taper and stick to it. I find it to be much easier and less "moreish" than real opiates, so tapering really isnt a problem.

My point is that I have achieved similar experiences with Kratom. I have even copped a "nod" several times when i fist began using. But at that point my tolerance to opiates was much fresher. Funny thing is that my kratom tolerance has not chnged much, probably due to its "ceiling effect" mechanism I wish we could share vendors but Im telling you high quality leaf makes a huge difference. The alkaloid make up can definitely vary WIDELY. If you plan on using kratom may I suggest to a more specific forum for kratom? Trust me, using the right vendors helps you get the products you are looking for while battling the possible ban of the substance in the near future. Some of the vendors Im referring to actually require a sign up/membership process.

Anyway, be suspicious all you want, I have nothing to gain from this discussion and hope only to shed light on my own anecdotal experiences with the leaf. Cheers!
 
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I did also post an in depth question about this in the kratom megathread (3) per your advise and got no reponse....just ignored.

I use opiates once or twice a month. It requires me two oxy 30's or equivalent of any other opiate substance to make me "happy" throughout the night. Like I said I do this once or twice a month. And then maintain kratom most other days. I am currently dependant on kratom but have quit several times with very little discomfort. I DO a taper and stick to it. I find it to be much easier and less "moreish" than real opiates, so tapering really isnt a problem.

My point is that I have achieved similar experiences with Kratom. I have even copped a "nod" several times when i fist began using. But at that point my tolerance to opiates was much fresher. Funny thing is that my kratom tolerance has not chnged much, probably due to its "ceiling effect" mechanism I wish we could share vendors but Im telling you high quality leaf makes a huge difference. The alkaloid make up can definitely vary WIDELY. If you plan on using kratom may I suggest to a more specific forum for kratom? Trust me, using the right vendors helps you get the products you are looking for while battling the possible ban of the substance in the near future. Some of the vendors Im referring to actually require a sign up/membership process.

Anyway, be suspicious all you want, I have nothing to gain from this discussion and hope only to shed light on my own anecdotal experiences with the leaf. Cheers!
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I understand how the type of plants will make the effects vary widely, but no matter what its a pretty general consensus that kratom is not nearly as powerful as most traditionally abused prescription opioids. I was incredibly surprised by the legality of it as well when i got my first "actual" kratom high and felt like i was on a slightly weaker (but still good) form of hydrocodone (which is astounding considering the legality of other substances).
This is what most people will tell you from their personal experiences, and i'm not trying to diss you man, just understand that pretty much no one anywhere else on this forum will have had an experience where kratom had an equipotent effect as a higher dosage of oxycodone.

Also, FYI, posting on BL does not mean an immediate response at all, average time for a response is typically at least 24 hours, sometimes even weeks. So don't give up on the forum immediately, not to mention there are other sites aside from BL that can probably answer your question (i just did a quick search on extracts and found about 1000 different forums on the subject).

Good luck
 
I was using Kratom while low on cash for pills, would never get extracts just the 1 pound bag of Bali, would end up eating tons of it though, like 12-18 tablespoons a day.. now that i am on Subs I doubt it would do anything but do plan to use it or poppy seed tea when the time comes or if it comes..i am more interested in trying the mitryagaine analouge they have made..Mitraygaine psdeo something, people have compared it to 30's pretty much, way stronger than just Kratom or the extracts..Does anyone have any experience with the Analolouge of Mitrayagaine?? Think there are one or two of them. Wanna try them, just heard they are pricey.
 
UEI is comparable to 30s. if you get true UEI ...i havnt tried but have heard from opiophiles....like 1 gram = 30 oc ....*snip - sorry no prices* bucks a gram is cheaper than pills...and if you buy in bulk it gets cheaper....but tolerance is rapid so it may only be worth doing once in a while.,,,switching off with plain leaf is a good idea.

Thing is the kratom game is super elite and hidden. To get the good shit you gotta get into the right circles....you can start by signing up for certain forums. They only want to sell to responsible folks...keep this shit outta the public eye.
 
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al-laddin said:
Thing is the kratom game is super elite and hidden. To get the good shit you gotta get into the right circles....you can start by signing up for certain forums. They only want to sell to responsible folks...keep this shit outta the public eye.
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I lol'd

I can picture it being like some Eyes Wide Shut - Kratom style
 
I want this good UEI stuff but im a 18 days clean heroin addict-- I get the feeling unless I got in these "elite circles" the stuff I would order from websites wouldnt do me much good. Any thoughts anyone?
 
HAHA I know my post sounded a bit dramatic. Well I guess it kind of is! theres stuff only available to a trusted few so I guess view that as you will. Its people who want to protect the availabilty of this leaf so you got take that into consideration.

Im sure you can find your way man....theres a couple forums out there with the info I feel bad telling you that cause youre 18 days clean man! Congrats on that!

And by the way I didnt feel like you were dissin me at all, I felt that we were having a respectful gentlemanly argument of two different subjective experiences. I was actually enjoying the different perspective.
 
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People interested in some of these kratom extracts should probably look into getting the product they buy tested by a lab if possible. There were reports on the advanced pharmacology board that this UEI kratom actually contained some unknown synthetic opiate that was added to the extract. Not a true extract in the least. Reminds me of the "spice" products that were popular a couple years ago. Sure the user is going to get high if you add a potent synthetic drug to the plant material, but boy is this a dicey operation. How much of the drug are you getting, and what even is the drug? Is it well distributed in the extract? What side-effects and addiction profile does it have?
The kratom market is just another ugly side to the war on black market drugs, imo. Sure there are a few people that use kratom to ween themselves off a hard opiate habit, but these extracts and who knows what is in them is just asking for trouble.
 
Thanks I would be more proud if I could fucking sleep and didnt feel brain dead. PAWS ain't no joke. I wanna use so bad just for a break from this agony. My bones ache for it. That's why I was looking into kratom-- I guess ill check out some forums, thanks.
 
I found that my tolerance to oxy did not equate to a tolerance to UEI. Maybe I had a good supplier but th UEI I bought was far more potent than the leaf. I never really got a good buzz from the leaf.

But my tolerance to UEI grew quickly. I never had withdrawals from UEI either thoughnim not sure I ever did it long enough to develop.

I found Kratom to be an excellent substance to ward off withdrawal symptoms. I never had the discipline to use Kratom to wean me off oxy but I have to believe it would work.

One thing, like bupe this stuff has a ceiling effect. There is a dose level where you will no longer increase the euphoric effect. And y do not ever want to overdose on this which is possible with UEI. You lose motor control, have problems walking and even talking and extreme nausea set in. It's a horrible sensation.
 
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