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Psychotic on M-cat, alcohol and diazzy: "There are men in the loft.."

Ismene

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A psychotic couple took two children hostage at knifepoint in their own home after a two-day alcohol and drugs binge.

Michaela Brown and her boyfriend William Lawday barricaded themselves in to a bedroom with a ten-year-old girl and a boy aged 14 because they thought they were under attack from 80 soldiers.

Both were let into the house by the children after banging on the doors and windows.

Brown, 24, and Lawday, 30, had fled their own home believing they were in imminent danger after 48 hours of taking the former legal high M-Cat, alcohol and the anti-anxiety drug diazepam.

An hour before the incident, Lawday and mother-of-two Brown had called the police to their own home claiming men were banging around in their loft.

A police officer searched the loft and found no one.

He formed the belief the couple were suffering from a drug-induced psychosis and left, which was good of him.

Mr Byatt told the court: 'The Crown says they were well under the influence of drugs and alcohol they held these two children captive for an hour. Lawday had a knife.

'The children had heard banging on the windows with Lawday shouting: "Let me in! Let me in!"

'The boy said Lawday's pupils were dilated. He said the pair were both talking about guns and knives.

'Lawday had a knife up his sleeve and the boy described him as off his face.

'Both adults told the children to go upstairs and get in the spare room.

'When he got back Lawday said there were 25 people in the loft. Then he said there were eight. He did not make much sense.'

The 999 call was made and Lawday told a police operator four males where outside with Samurai swords trying to get in.

The boy said: 'It was scary to see a large man with a knife, who was off his head on drugs. I stick to Serotoni myself'



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^ Haha yes, that boy is a wise soul.

Also, people doing crazy things while on drugs is hardly new. Same for people doing crazy things when not on drugs. People are crazy and 99% ones like this would do this kind of thing with or without any chemical interference.
 
True. The article does say Drug-Induced Psychosis. I most certainly know what that is like. :|

I still think poly drug use plays a role. I mean they'd need to take a lot more Mephedrone than normal to feel effects if they were drinking & taking Diaz...

*edit* - maybe not, it seems to suggest the woman was on Diaz script & the man was just drinking. (bloody misleading titles)
 
Ismene said:
He formed the belief the couple were suffering from a drug-induced psychosis and left, which was good of him.

Outstanding. =D

How can people go that psychotic after 2 days

More easily than you'd think. Especially regular stim users. You don't need to be on a week-long MDPV bender to go psychotic.

Once you've had stim psychosis, it can be re-triggered by even the smallest 'therapeutic' dose of amphetamine, for example.

It can take months to recover from an episode properly. These people were probably using meph / other stims >3 times a week at the very least.
 
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Ahh i deleted my previous comment just as you replied, had just remembered about someone telling me that it gets triggered again easily once its been triggered, sounds horrible.glad ive never sent myself fully off my rocker before. couldnt be doing with re-triggering that shit
 
Also, bear in mind that only a relatively small percentage of those who present symptoms of stimulant psychosis would ever identify them as 'psychosis', due in part to the nature of psychosis itself, as well as the nature of compulsive stimulant abuse and the associated tendency toward denial.

It's very rare for stimulant psychosis episodes to end in the kind of scenario described above; they usually just culminate in the kind of 'breakdown' which quietly destroys lives whilst never being 'newsworthy'.

With that in mind, be careful. ;)
 
How can people go that psychotic after 2 days

More easily than you'd think. Especially regular stim users. You don't need to be on a week-long MDPV bender to go psychotic.

Once you've had stim psychosis, it can be re-triggered by even the smallest 'therapeutic' dose of amphetamine, for example.

It can take months to recover from an episode properly. These people were probably using meph / other stims >3 times a week at the very least.

What he said Dan.

I was using a small amount for a few hours when I had my full-blown psychotic episode. You really don't notice that you aren't thinking right. Everything is very real.

I had had more routine style stimulant psychosis on 2 occasions before that disappeared with 24 hours of stopping using drugs. Both times after using heavily. I had used on many occasions since those without issues though. I suspect stress from dissertation & final exams probably made me more susceptible on previous experiences of such a nature.

Interestingly, the treatment for said conditions, Antipsychotics, makes you more prone to psychosis after you come off them. People are less likely to relapse if they can recover without the use of them. Irony. 8)

Personally, I just avoid anything that is particularly stimulating now. I know I have to be careful, it's just a case of figuring out what is 'safe'. Weed just makes me paranoid & anxious... so that's a no. (not uncommon that though)

Unaltered MDMA should be ok I think. aMT was fine.

I think it's probably drugs that act on dopamine in a big way that are the real issue. An excess of dopamine is believed to be the cause of such types of psychosis.
 
An excess of dopamine is believed to be the cause of such types of psychosis.

No. There IS such a thing as a "dopamine hypothesis" in schizophrenia research, but overactivation of dopamine receptors is only one of many variables in that model. Glutamate is thought to be heavily involved as well: a closely related model is the "glutamate hypothesis" which can actually plausably co-exist with most of the dopamine model. And:

Psychiatrist David Healy has argued that drug companies have inappropriately promoted the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia as a deliberate and calculated simplification for the benefit of drug marketing.
 
^ I know that these things are generally not well understood even these days, so it's not surprising I didn't discover that subtlety.
 
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