• 🇬🇧󠁿 🇸🇪 🇿🇦 🇮🇪 🇬🇭 🇩🇪 🇪🇺
    European & African
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • EADD Moderators: Shambles

need advice please

Status
Not open for further replies.
Rybee said:
May I ask why you're forbidden to take Diazepam now, seeing as your GP is pro-benzo use? Or was this a different doctor that took you off of it.
Click to expand...

Oddly enough - and hard as it is to believe (including by myself) - actually not because to this day it says in big capital letters at the top of the first page of my paper medical notes...

CHRONIC CHAOTIC POLYDRUG ADDICT

(don't worry - it's not just you that gets labelled)

I spoke to my doc about this and his position is that if he could he would cos he believes me that I use them "properly" and also believes they help me. He was put under intense pressure to stop benzo and opi scripts by a combination of governmental interference and GP partner downnose-lookery. He was the last doc at that practice that would write me a repeat script without much umming and ahhing and general vocal disapproval. To be fair, he fought my case for well over a year before he was left with no apparent choice. He was put in a very difficult position defending a patient like myself who has history (albeit long ago) of abusing their script extensively and even though it was plain to see I'd not done that in a very long time and the positive effects were demonstrable I can't really blame him for caving to pressure. I don't blame him. I do blame governmental interference from people making laws (technically "guidelines" but laws by any real definition) who know fuck all about patients and give nary a shit anyway, and I also blame morons abusing their script way past the point that is itself tenable. Docs ain't stupid - they can tell when somebody is taking the piss. It's been a good 15+ years since I last took the piss and - although it may be a bit of a double standard - that time has long gone and I wish I'd learnt the difference earlier and wish others learnt the difference too before it was too late.
 
Rybee said:
I assume you're of the opinion that it was the doctor's suggestion to taper like that? I couldn't make out whether the doctor wanted OP to taper off like that, or whether OP wanted himself to taper off like that?

If it's the doctor who's put that plan in to practice to get him off quickly, then yeah I can see why they'd do it so quickly. Just if it was me coming off of them after a year, I'd want a longer period to taper.

This whole thread is a little bit confusing... I'm not sure if OP is asking for help, advice, just ranting, or a mixture of the three. :?

By the way coming off of 20+ years of regular diazepam use must have been hard. I've only been prescribed it, and other derivatives for the last 4 years since I was 20 for pro re nata use. Some months I can cope fine without, some months I'd struggle like mad at the thought of being denied any. I'd hate to be denied it after so long. I really sympathise with you, I hope you can cope okay without it... Must be hard. I know I'd struggle *hugs*
Click to expand...

I decided to taper as 15mg was barely effecting me. My doctor was happy to issue me 21 5mg tabs a week. My friend wants me to stop as 1) They me rage
2) There addictive
3) He thinks taking high doses will fuck me up once off them. I am going to get my script back my doctor didn't stop them my friend phoned my doctor out of concern. Tbh 15mg a day is a joke 60-80mg spread out throughout the day. I got rid of my quetiapine and asked for a sleeper to help. I now wish a higher dose of diazepam and zolpidem. And why the fuck do UK doctors not prescribe benzos. Fuck over in America you can get anything opiates, benzos, cannabis (certain states)
 
1) That would be a paradoxical reaction - it's a recognised issue with benzos which affects some people. Suggests benzos are not suited to your metabolism and body chemistry.

2) Yes, yes they are. You are not yet addicted - do you really want to be?

3) They will. Not just when coming off of them but whilst taking them. You are also taking Z-drugs and anti-psychotics. This is not a good mix. This will fuck you up bigtime. Not in the good way. If you need to take antipsychotics you do not need to be on Z-drugs and/or benzos. If antipsychotics are prescribed and required those are the sedatives you need to be taking - the rest are recreational at best, will fuck you over heavily at worst. Pay heed to those labels: as required. Not as desired.
 
Shambles I sympathise with you yes there are to many drug seekers abusing medications I am not one of them. I could go psychotic if I had to do without. If I stop after 3-4 days im agitated and would fight my shadow.
 
Benzos are not antipsychotics. You are prescribed - or are taking anyway - antipsychotics. Benzos add nothing other than addictive potential and recreational value. You can tell this by the fact you can save your dose for days and say that your prescribed dose is not enough - if it's not enough how come you can save it? You are drugseeking. I don't blame you for that but I also don't appreciate it cos it fucks us all over. Including yourself. You are ruining your own chances of a legit benzo script by taking the piss. Antipsychotics are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than either diaz or any of the Z-drugs - or any of the other benzos for that matter. They are not making a damn bit of difference to any psychosis you experience and you know it. Pretending otherwise is weak. Own your sickness if you are sick. Psychosis is a medical condition that is treatable. Don't abuse the word if it does not apply. If it does take antispychotics not minor sedatives. There is a world of difference you don't seem to be acknowledging hence suspicion of pisstaking.
 
What causes the paradoxical reactions? Is it all to do with your brain chemistry? I also get impulsive on benzos today I've slagged off multiple ppl wished people dead etc they make me worse with drink. Does the paradoxical reaction occur in a similar fashion to tramadol as I get nothing from it. I'm psychological dependent and after taking 15mg daily for over a year I'd say I would get w/ds. Plus you don't need to dose daily being physically dependant on diazepam as it has a very long half life, meaning xanax would be worse to taper. And yes I need drugs to help me cope. Hash included. Also I don't drink now after the hosp. I haven't taken my quetiapine for months just collecting it. Just used that as an excuse ti get sleepers as that quetiapine shit should be kept for the people who need it not for anxiety. I only got a weeks worth of zopiclone. Hate that fucking taste though. Oh and someone mentioned asking for temazepam for sleep lol no fucking chance.
 
I can't really help but rest my case... :\

Incidentally, I was prescribed temazepam specifically for sleep on top of my diaz for anxiety for almost all of those 20-odd years. Cos it was used as required, not as desired. If I were experiencing psychosis I'd want antipsychotics cos however horrid the side-effects are they block psychotic symptoms whilst benzos couldn't ever touch the sides for such things. I have no idea where you're pulling Xanax from other than your arse. You are not prescribed that and won't be. You are drugseeking and taking whatever you can lay hands on. Enjoy it whilst it lasts and be grateful you don't actually need any of it.
 
Shambles said:
Benzos are not antipsychotics. You are prescribed - or are taking anyway - antipsychotics. Benzos add nothing other than addictive potential and recreational value. You can tell this by the fact you can save your dose for days and say that your prescribed dose is not enough - if it's not enough how come you can save it? You are drugseeking. I don't blame you for that but I also don't appreciate it cos it fucks us all over. Including yourself. You are ruining your own chances of a legit benzo script by taking the piss. Antipsychotics are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than either diaz or any of the Z-drugs - or any of the other benzos for that matter. They are not making a damn bit of difference to any psychosis you experience and you know it. Pretending otherwise is weak. Own your sickness if you are sick. Psychosis is a medical condition that is treatable. Don't abuse the word if it does not apply. If it does take antispychotics not minor sedatives. There is a world of difference you don't seem to be acknowledging hence suspicion of pisstaking.
Click to expand...

I'll admit I stopped my 15mg because at that dose I'd be better off with asprin. I need a large dose to keep me stable I don't use it to get high (well sort of) but to get by. And I have been stupid because after my friend told the doc I wanted off them he jumped at the chance infact he told the chemist to dispense two more weeks worth. Also I ended up getting full of diazepam drank a bottle of wine smoked shit loads of weed and spent the night phoning helplines. Ended up in A+E so doc will know I drank with benzos. and as far as psychosis I mean if I suddenly stop getting them I'll end up going out my mind.
 
Shambles said:
I can't really help but rest my case... :\

Incidentally, I was prescribed temazepam specifically for sleep on top of my diaz for anxiety for almost all of those 20-odd years. Cos it was used as required, not as desired. If I were experiencing psychosis I'd want antipsychotics cos however horrid the side-effects are they block psychotic symptoms whilst benzos couldn't ever touch the sides for such things. I have no idea where you're pulling Xanax from other than your arse. You are not prescribed that and won't be. You are drugseeking and taking whatever you can lay hands on. Enjoy it whilst it lasts and be grateful you don't actually need any of it.
Click to expand...

sorry about that mate
 
Last edited:
You are drinking and smoking weed on top of saving up your diaz script enough to abuse. That is not psychosis that's being fukked on downers. That happens to everybody. That is what abusing downers does. It exacerbates depressed symptoms - they're called downers for a reason. They depress you. Stop taking them - especially stop taking them off an on at random doses to suit and combining with off-label "self-medicating" - and your symptoms will settle enough for you to be properly assessed and scripted appropriately for your actual state and condition rather than what you hope it is cos it provides the drugs you happen to like. I get self-medication - many of us do that - but don't confuse that with actual medication. Lay off the GABA abuse, lay off the weed, stabilise then speak to your GP once you have done so. That's the only way you'll actually move forward and have any chance of getting past these symptoms. At the moment you are making a rod for your own back whether you can see it or not. Stabilise. Then seek medication, not drugs <3
 
Shambles said:
I can't really help but rest my case... :\

Incidentally, I was prescribed temazepam specifically for sleep on top of my diaz for anxiety for almost all of those 20-odd years. Cos it was used as required, not as desired. If I were experiencing psychosis I'd want antipsychotics cos however horrid the side-effects are they block psychotic symptoms whilst benzos couldn't ever touch the sides for such things. I have no idea where you're pulling Xanax from other than your arse. You are not prescribed that and won't be. You are drugseeking and taking whatever you can lay hands on. Enjoy it whilst it lasts and be grateful you don't actually need any of it.
Click to expand...

And I do need the drugs. I hope your doctor never gives you another vallie.
 
I'm sorry for that but I am going through hell just now and I don't need hassle on here. Anyway sorry again I hope you get some sort of help regarding valium. I'm off now had enough for the day
 
I'm not expecting you to understand right now, but maybe have a read through what you've actually said once whatever it is has worn off - and ideally not when you're coming down either - think you may find that despite occasionally harsh phrasing relevant points have been made. And believe it or not, with underlying compassion... albeit with a certain degree of personal irritation for aforementioned personal reasons. No offence meant, there is good reason for saying all that has been said. 20-odd years down the line I'm pretty sure you will agree... ideally sooner than that - no need to learn the hard way <3
 
cant echo shammys posts anymore jungo87, i am tapering from benzos myself after doing the.self medication method witto 5mg etiz (comparable to 50mg of valium) and it sucks, but im doing it because i want to be off them, not because i want to save my doses up for a decent nights rest, without i would be in w/d. your first post isnt quite clear which can be understanable in ur situation, may i add drinking alcohol will not help you, i find drinking on benzos nice yeh but ur jus fucking with ya gaba receptors even more so (i hate the thort of drinking whilst tapering) ..

alas i hope you get your self sorted soon. benzos are a fucker to get off but it sounds more like what shammy is saying in that ur not physically depedant on valium, get off the beer, look at the ashton manual on here ! if you are serious about getting clean then pm me when ur a bit more clear headed, i will be happy to talk about things im doing to tackle my addiction/s! yes i smoke weed too, but dnt drink (its the devil)
 
Sorry OP but I've just lost all sympathy for you. Asking for help/advice and then calling those who are experienced enough to help you a cunt is disgusting.

You seem to be in a bit of a mess right now and I genuinely feel sorry for you, I think you need a little bit of help, and I hope you find it soon.

In the meantime, if there's anything you genuinely need help or advice with, please feel free to post/reply/PM me. Until then, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Understand that BL members give up their free time to help you.

I hope you get the support and help that you obviously need <3
 
yeh shammys the least cuntish person i know on these boards and a well respected member who gives awesome advice from experiences n knowledge <3 +1 to last post
 
I'm sorry you and shambles and all the BLrs are really helpful and have a lot if respect for you people. I'd be dead if I didn't come in here to check the dos and dont's. If I could chat to you or anyone as I feel so alone right now stuck in my thoughts. Benzos get me aggressive one minute depressed the next. Lifes just passing me by. I'm off now just came to apologise and sorry again shambles im the cunt.
 
Last edited:
its ok u will run into more cunts on here :-) ;-), we aint a bad bunch of folk, actually full of interesting and clever people ( drug snobbery at its finest =D) but yeh listen to shammy and other guys on here who are willing to give advice/their experiences, there is only one person who can change you n that is yourself, you jus need to soak up the decent information given and stick to it, it took alot for me to even want to get off etiz, i was using like 12-18mg a nightn didnt care, it took some big life events to make me want to sort my life out, even then i may not succeed but i aint going down without a fight !

you can get there but you have to want it more than ever
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top