Drugs that make you more considerate towards others and drugs that do the opposite

[FrogWarrior]

For tldr people, all you need to read is the first sentence, the rest is just my personal experience. Can you share your experience on this. For some drugs, its almost universal, for others it varies.

Psychedelics, cannabis and dissociatives all make me much more considerate and good willed towards other people, and thats pretty common, most people can relate to that one. MDMA and empathogens too I suppose.

Benzos I would have thought would make me less caring, but they do the opposite, they make me a better person in that sense. They kind of have empathogenic effects on me, I am more in tune with other peoples feelings and needs so I refrain from doing things that would bother them, things I do sober because I don't see it.

Opioids on the other hand make me an inconsiderate prick, and thats pretty common too, most people can relate to that. Opioids are the worst drugs I've encountered for that sort of thing. I notice they spontaneously trigger anger in me and I automatically look for someone to blame. If I'm in a room by myself, I'll start blaming inanimate objects.

Alcohol is very different to benzos in that respect, it inflates me ego and while I'm a jolly, friendly drunk, I don't care about people as much as I usually would.

Amphetamines are hit and miss, they make me more good willed in some ways, but bad willed in other ways. For example I have an exceptionally strong urge to help people in need on it, but I also feel jealousy more strongly and I noticed that if I fail at something, I want others to fail with me, rather than be happy for them.

Cocaine makes the ego take over so I stop caring about other people. Its a bad one in that respect. I notice that if I see a trait in which I am superior to someone, I feel happy about that, rather than want the other person to have the positive trait too. I do this sober too and I hate it. On psychedelics, cannabis or dissos, I am void of that bad will.

Psychedelics is a board category so its silly to lump them all together like that. Shrooms, ayahuasca, iboga, they all make me a better person. Salvia I don't know, its a strange one. The lessons it teaches me make me a better person in the long run, but when I'm actually on it I'm not more good willed. Plus, I can get really angry on it. One day I had come back from a semi breakthrough, and I was laughing manically, my ma's boyfriend walked into the room and saw me laughing like a madman, staring at the TV which was turned off. He got angry about it because he had a bit of a problem with my obsession with psychoactives, and when I saw his anger, I went into a rage. On shrooms that would never happen, I'd just consider why he might be angry and try to resolve it, or just leave him be. On shrooms, ayahuasca, and dissociatives I can get angry, but theres never animosity involved, its more of a drive to make things better for everyone.

 

[spacejunk]

I think it depends on the person - some people are just assholes regardless of what substances they are on.

Alcohol and cocaine can turn anyone into a dick temporarily - but it can go either way.
Same goes for amphetamine.
I think it depends on the dosage, the individual's use of said drug (someone that has reached a point with amphetamine where they are no longer getting euphoric, empathetic effects can be quite unpleasant - but so can someone having a bad time on practically any drug).
I think my awareness of the world around me was opened up by mild psychedelics like cannabis (I first stopped eating meat and developed more of a social conscience when I first experimented with weed in my teenage years) and a greater awareness of human behaviours in general has been opened up with my use of LSD, various tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics - as well as some odd (if not downright delusional) insights about people on certain dissociatives.

MDMA is a strange one, because although it makes people "loved up" and is considered an "empathogen" - my feeling is that there is something false and chemically induced about its emotional effects on people. I've known people to love someone about whom they are ambivalent - or even actively dislike - when they're rolling.
Drunks can be much the same in the window of euphoria that booze can create, but this can turn to belligerence (or any emotion at all) at a different stage of an evening.

A lot of the time I think drugs can amplify - or, conversely change temporarily - the way a person thinks to begin with.
There are a lot of factors to take into consideration, and it is hard to make general statements about any, as set and setting come into play with pretty much every psychoactive drug there is.

 

[treezy z]

dissociatives make me cold-hearted at times.

 

[The Doc.]

Marijuana makes me happy towards people and when I took MDMA I was always so nice to people and it was like everything I did was awesome and I was such a do gooder I thought cause I said high to everybody on the street and and what not. Cocaine .makes me not care about anything but coke. And opiates make me more talkative and nicer to people cause I'm so relaxed and feel content

I used to do shrooms and MDMA together all the time and that was a combo that made you happy and want to be friends with everybody you come across.

 

[Gyrospeck]

I agree that effects vary based on dose, person, and setting.

The effects are also very different depending on whether you are currently under the influence vs. the drugs after effects.

For example, someone high on opiates may be really friendly but the hangover/comedown/withdrawal can turn even the nicest people into real jerks.

 

[PotatoMan]

Opiates make me love people(I literally text all my close friends telling them how much I loved them) but when i come down I realize how nasty this family of drugs are. I become so irritable. With chronic use, codeine has disconnected me emotionally in the past mainly with my family and ex girlfriend. I'm usually very cold when I use to binge on codeine when I wasnt high on it. (Opioids/opiates are a very mean family of drugs) this is why they're responsible for most addicts.
^kinda bold statement but meh'

Coke n booze(because coke alone sucks) - makes me so fucking ignorant. I just wanna fucking beat the shit out of all these fucking fucks I see out at parties that fucking piss me off those worthless shits.

Alcohol(RUM) similar to coke n booze for me. Very ignorant thoughts. I think very violently towards others.
Anything else makes me emotional in a quiet setting. But in a party I'm normal.

Benzos - fuck the world. They make me really calm tho. But in a sense where I do not give a fuck about whatever is around me. Literally dulls the world.

Weed - very variable. Mostly become more caring.

Psychs n dissocio(acid n Dxm)
Make me much more loving towards the world n people. But in that headspace I sometimes get frustrated with the world because of how fucked it is n how great it can really be.

But I truly think opiates are the worst things to happen to humanity. Like I still suffer from being disconnected from my family. It's gotten better now since I stopped codeine binges. Nowadays if I were to fuck with this family of drugs it will be the occasional norco or whatever. I love them but they've made me cold. And it's lonely when your cold.

 

[pasha]

this pertains to the social aspect of drug use so i'm going to move it.

basic -> drug culture

 

[haikyo]

I find that DXM can make people very egotistic and self-obsessed. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I've seen regular DXM-using friends become very up themselves as they use more and more. I think that all dissociatives are broadly good for mental wellbeing, but I do notice that DXM has that funny effect.

 

[ambiviolence]

More:
-GHB
-E
-METH (for me anyways.)
-benzos
-weed
-hydrocodone
-2c's
-25i-NBOMe


LESS & MORE:
-H/OXY (makes me lovey or a complete btch more so the latter)
-LSD (Lets be friends/Im the sht)
-Alcohol (i love you/who are you looking at)


I am not sure about bad completely. I wouldnt mess with anything that made me anti-social. I use to self medicate social anxiety so it would be counter productive.

By far opiates and alcohol induce apathy.

 

[FrogWarrior]

as well as some odd (if not downright delusional) insights about people on certain dissociatives.

Sounds like you have some extensive experience with observing all this, can you elaborate on your experience with dissociatives. I find dissociatives one of the most fascinating for this. They make me truly concerned for the well being of people around me and it rubs off, like a crazy drunken guy who sat on the bus beside me who at first he was talking about violence and beating people up, but I was in a completely different mindset and was fully convinced I could make him see "the truth", and he ended up expressing his concern for me (he said I'm worried about you, you've got all these scars, you need to take care of yourself man). On dissociatives I can end up balling like a baby just thinking about my mother and the hardships shes had to endure. I find crying pretty hard to do usually, but on dissociatives it can happen just like that. On MDMA I'd never cry, I see what you mean about it being a kind of false thing cuz on it I can ignore people in the group and not care about their well being. On dissociatives I couldn't do that, if I saw someone who was feeling bad I'd have to help them. I tend to do dissociatives alone though for obvious reasons. I go batshit crazy on them sometimes.

Interesting how so many people find opioids make them friendlier. I've only tried H, morphine, dihydrocodeine and codeine, but they all turn me into a selfish prick. Worse than that, they trigger anger in me, and if someone does anything that appears disrespectful I'll retaliate and do spiteful things. Its hit and miss though, they don't always do that, the last time I tried them I noted that I was friendly and kind to everyone, but I see how they can make me go into egotistical mode. They're the only substance that do that to me. Alcohol just makes me silly and childish in a friendly, playful way but at the same time it can turn to beligerence quickly if someone pisses me off. Cocaine I haven't done enough times to make any conclusions but I remember it making me lose concern for the well being of others so I don't like it.

 

[FrogWarrior]

Psychs n dissocio(acid n Dxm)
Make me much more loving towards the world n people. But in that headspace I sometimes get frustrated with the world because of how fucked it is n how great it can really be.

I hear you there. Its pretty harsh thinking about the dark side of the world we're in when on psychedelics and dissociatives.

 

[weekend addiction]

alcohol- sociable in low doses. very competitive and cocky in moderate doses, and insanely hyper and wild or on the verge of sleep in higher doses.

benzos- sociable when they first kick in. on larger doses I am a huge dick (or so I have heard anyway...)

weed- see benzos

opiates- I don't want to talk to anyone. I want to be by myself. Conversation is burdensome and can be annoying if forced upon me.

kratom- Unlike opiates very sociable but with regular use you can become withdrawn between doses.

cocaine\crack- Very social but easily can lead to fighting over who got first hit or best line.

amps- the best social drugs. I wish I had some right now I haven't had a good conversation in a while.

Basically it seems all drugs are social in moderate amounts and in larger amounts people become a burden or hassle to be around for most drugs.

 

[SirTophamHat]

Opiates and some GABA funzies like phenibut make me quite outgoing, though my preferred thing to do on them is wrap into a blanket and listen to down tempo and trip hop.

Weed makes me withdrawn and alcohol makes me more sociable but to a lesser extent than opiates.

Benzos just calm me down and don't drastically alter my personality.

 

[luggage]

benzos made me a big shithead, thinking everyone is out to get me, and wanting nothing more than to just stay in my room with the lights out and sleep/be alone all day.

but weed made me a vegetarian too! i have a lot of dumb epiphanies when i smoke but some of them are more than just 'holy shit, communication is whatever you make it' and actually makes sense when i'm sober. makes me really think about the ramifications of things i'm usually apathetic about, like eating meat. plus it makes me want to hang out with people and hear their views on obscure or ultra-meaningful things.

alcohol makes me more sociable too but usually gets me sick

 

[Psychonauticunt]

LSD and mushrooms make me incredibly considerate and I think about the possible implications, particularly emotionally, for my friends of even the smallest actions. I think of it as a kind of "psychedelic bedside manner". Cannabis also makes me real considerate. Alcohol will sometimes make me generous in that I'll pay for the cab home, everyone's drinks and whatnot, but it simultaneously makes me obnoxious to some people.

Benzos make me a dick if I'm on a lot, but more considerate if I'm using them medically, as I feel more able to function.

Cocaine turns me into an inconsiderate asshole with a superiority complex, and opiates make me inconsiderate in that I don't give one fifth of a fuck about anything.

 

[Alex000]

I tend to be less considerate, less kind to others, as much as I hate to say, when using opioids, at least most of the time. I think part of it is that 'opiate irritability', but I also seem to just want to enjoy my high alone, where I can be noddy and don't have to do anything other than relax. With opioids, the euphoric apathy also translates to a very hedonistic, self-serving sort of mindset, which no doubt has some part to do with this. Now, sometimes, the opioid euphoria makes me want to do things which seem nice, and are nice, but not consistently. Oxycodone is more socially appropriate for me than really any other opioid, save for tramadol, which I take regularly just to keep well.

Most any stimulant really does lead to me being more considerate, at least from a point of my mindset, however aggressiveness has resulted from the same, but I think that is because amphetamines make one more aware of everything, and naturally one feels at least more considerate and/or understanding, which I believe has a large role in the empathogenic effects of really all amphetamines IMO, even if MDMA is a notable empathogen, for example. In my honeymoon stage with amphetamines, or when I indulge in larger doses, I am socially perpetuated, in a way, if around people - it is more natural to be social, and really increases the reward of being social, for me.

As for alcohol, I cannot say - for me, when I do drink, it can go either way. As for cannabis, I have found very interesting - very interesting - social aspects of the effects. It can increase my consideration of others enormously, especially when in a comfortable situation, however, at the same time, it can cause me to be less considerate of others, in an almost subversive or defiant way; it is very shifting in perception for me. I don't know why, but for me cannabis really is, no question, a psychedelic drug - at least, that is how it feels, and how I mentally class it in its subjective effects, so it can really make big shifts IME.

 

[Tryptamino]

Drugs that make me more considerate:
Psychedelics, Cannabis, Dissociatives, Empathogens, low-dose Amphetamine, Valium/weaker Benzos

Drugs that make me less considerate:
Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Alcohol, high dose Benzos, high dose Stimulants.

 

[tryptamine-tripper]

Psychedelics are definitely the drugs that make me most considerate of people, and my usage of them helps me to be more empathetic & better at dealing with people in my daily life.

Dissociatives used wisely do the same thing, but overdoing them will fuck with your head too much, hence why i had to quit them (how i wish i could use them moderately again, but alas they fit me just a little too well).

Personally i find amphetamines make me more empathetic, cobsiderate, and sociable, though i know that they can do the opposite.

Cannabis often has this effect as well, but only really has since psychedelics/dissociatives started really changing me (well after i started using them). I also get very friendly when drunk, but too dumb to really be considerate. Kratom usually makes me nicer but sometimes it can make me more irritable around people.

 

[Pill2Chill]

More:
Psychedelics (except cannabis, this one makes me more considerate maybe, but too lazy to act on it),
Stimulants,
Empathogens,
Opiates/oids,
Dissociatives (when I'm not on a dose that is so high I'm left unable to do anything at all, which is only seldom),
Benzos (in the therapeutic range; anxiolytics especially, hypnotics not so much. High doses just keep me from caring about anything)
A few glasses of alcohol

Less:
Cannabis (I think about others more, but it never goes beyond thinking about them, as cannabis can make me real lazy!)
A lot of alcohol (+cocaine) (both with/without the cocaine, I never do cocaine without alcohol.)
GHB (+amphetamines) (both with/without the amphetamines)
Hypnotic benzos (or a high dose of any benzo really) (Leaves me unable to care and very lazy or even sleepy at higher doses)

 

[Crankinit]

MDMA - obviously more empathic, although I've learned to tone it back to not let people take advantage of it, which happened a lot when I was 17/18 and new to the scene. Later on, I'd save the empathy for those who I knew would return it.

Psychedelics - these are the class I have the least experience with, but from what I remember, they also tended to induce empathy and connectivity, when I wasn't stuck looping around in my own mind. Usually it was more afterwards, when I was more clear headed but still feeling connected and open minded.

Dissociatives - Depends. I'm not too attached to them, so if I have a large stash, I'm usually happy to share it around, but the drug itself doesn't really induce empathy or consideration, even when I have deep, spiritual k-hole experiences, because those experiences are so inward focused. However I can sometimes get a bit grouchy after a binge, in a state where my head feels a bit jumbled and I just want everyone to piss off for a bit so I can reconnect to the real world. If I have a smaller stash (especially of nitrous), I tend to be less generous, as I know how much I'll fiend for it once it runs out.

Alcohol - I'm a pretty friendly drunk. Same goes for GHB/GBL.

Stimulants - they make me really enthusiastic, sociable and sharing. When I used to go clubbing on meth I'd often end up sharing as much of my stash as I'd consume myself, and I'd happily go on long missions to help people, or lend a bit of money, etc.

Benzos - slightly, when I'm relaxed enough, it's a bit easier to be friendly, caring and sociable because I'm not so wound up in my own thoughts and I'm not so bothered by the things that irritate me.

Opiates - These are tricky. If I'm high and I have a sufficient stash to last me the next day or so, I'm usually really friendly and considerate, because I feel so great, so why not help out other people too? The exceptions are a) my stash, if I have enough to last me a few days, I usually don't mind selling/trading/shouting a fairly small portion of it (especially if the individual in question is in w/d), but I won't spread the love freely like I do with meth. I just can't bring myself to let those w/d's approach any faster than they have to. The second exception is if I'm having one of my relaxed, noddy highs as opposed to one of the speedy, social ones, and I'm trying to just lie down, watch a movie, read a book, or close my eyes and enjoy the nod, and someone comes along and disrupts me. This tends to trigger a slightly irrational anger I dub ''opi-rage.''

Weed - The only one which is a straight up less. Makes me tired, hungry, bored, unless there's food or sex available, in which case I tend to want to just focus on indulging. Finally, I find a lot of people get really irritating when they're stoned (though I might be biased by a certain ex-girlfriend).