I'm still alive

[Shambles]

Was saving that for his reply hoping he'd miss the even more obvious hypocrisy than the one pointed out - is that wrong of me to be setting lil Raas-traps?

Probably but I do rather enjoy a... vigorous debate and Raas is good at 'em... or not so good but certainly game and up for it which is good enough for me. That's me being wrong again isn't it? Such a wrong 'un sometimes 8)

You make a fine point though

 

[lurching]

I'm still alive

Join the club.

 

[Shambles]

It was AFTER the marijuana investigation that I determined it a spiritual tool and then came out with the claim Psych's were a bad way to find spirituality. This is why the investigation was necessary - to see what was going on myself, to form my judgements. Give some validity to my claims etc Do you see?

Not really. Did you not notice this when you smoked cannabis prior to finding god and no longer taking drugs for mere recreation? What about all those other drugs you used to take? Like the heroin you mention yourself. How much investigation is necessary to solve each case?

I'm not Christian-bashing, I'm hypocrite-prodding.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Not really. Did you not notice this when you smoked cannabis prior to finding god and no longer taking drugs for mere recreation? What about all those other drugs you used to take? Like the heroin you mention yourself. How much investigation is necessary to solve each case?

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When your beliefs on religion take a major overhaul, so does your depiction of drugs. Marijauna for instance, as an atheist, I would think of as some kind of very strange yet rather pleasant quirk of nature. But as a Christian, my assessment of it changes radically. Is it a Satanic tool? Or was it given by God deliberately? Do these experiences come from my own imagination? Or are the thoughts coming from spirits? Are the spirits good or harmful?

A religious perspective, as you can see, raises far, far more questions on the safety of the drug and just what it's doing... and this has allowed me to view the drug in a completely different way when taking it post-Christian.

I've read of other Christians doing similar experiments with DMT. As a spiritual person, it is greatly interesting in looking into how these substances work and what they're doing to people. We should be aware of what's going on if we are to help others who seek spiritual advice.


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is that ok? or do I need some more of that hypocrite prodding?

 

[Shambles]

Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;

He appears to take the credit for plants.

I don't have any problem with you or anybody else taking drugs for any reason they choose to take drugs for. I do have a problem when people suggest, believe or imply their use is somehow superior - in any way that word could be construed - to that of others. That's all I've been picking up on. You're the one bringing religion into it.

 

[Raasyvibe]

You are a recreational drug user and a proponent to an extent, whereas I am largely an opponent and try to avoid them. We've argued over our views on this many times over the years. I'm stating my use is investigative, so that you and others are aware my stance hasn't changed.

I can see how you may have perceived that as some kind of superordinate claim. But that's not my intention, I am empathetic to rec. drug users having once been one myself and also not shy of hitting the gin a little too hard, now and then...

 

[Shambles]

I'm stating my use is investigative, so that you and others are aware my stance has changed.

Fix'd. Unless all the rest was but fibs?

I am a recreational drug user, I am also an inquisitive and "investigative" drug user, I am also probably a polydrug addict albeit not always actually a practising one. These things are not mutually exclusive and one is not better than the other. The addict bit would be worse for very specific reasons - the addicted bit mainly - but in and of itself it is not better nor worse than other reasons for using drugs.

 

[Raasyvibe]

My stance of opposition hasn't changed. I.... Oh I can't be bothered.


Where's Morrison's, anyway!? Did you enjoy all that chit-chat M'sons? Can you relate at all to any of it?

 

[Raasyvibe]

er......bump!?