Interested to hear from anyone who has taken these SRA's.. Hopefully someone who has taken two or all of them, I always hear them compared and I'd like to know how exactly they contrast in your experiences. I have always had a boner for the lesser stimulating MDxx type compounds, the ones that might even feel lethargic and relaxing while still being euphoric.
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BDB, MDE, 5-APB - discuss
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FlawedByDesign
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I loves me some 5-APB. I don't know if I would call it lethargic but its definitely relaxing, even sedating to a point. It's a strange feeling being able to catch a nod while simultaneously rolling your tits off
. I can't wait for the lab to finish up their next batch. It makes me sad that they're trying to phase 5-APB out and replace it with 5-MAPB.
. I can't wait for the lab to finish up their next batch. It makes me sad that they're trying to phase 5-APB out and replace it with 5-MAPB.
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MagickalKat777
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I was a huge fan of MDE... The only thing that sucked was the short duration but the heavy drunk/stoned roll was actually pleasant for me and I was able to redose as much as I wanted with seemingly little loss of effect across redoses with no MDMA crash, just tired the next few days.
It doesn't hit the "magic" of MDMA or MDA, doesn't even come close, but it is a pleasant substance and worthwhile in its own right with less of a bodyload than MDA and just slightly more than MDMA itself.
Absolutely ZERO psychedelia with it though which means that you have to make your own experience with it. Combined really well with other drugs and was even friendly with alcohol, something that MDMA and MDA don't have going for them.
It doesn't hit the "magic" of MDMA or MDA, doesn't even come close, but it is a pleasant substance and worthwhile in its own right with less of a bodyload than MDA and just slightly more than MDMA itself.
Absolutely ZERO psychedelia with it though which means that you have to make your own experience with it. Combined really well with other drugs and was even friendly with alcohol, something that MDMA and MDA don't have going for them.
Nooo, I have to disagree. I mean, I never get smashed or anything while on M.. but you can definitely have a few drinks and an ass-load of weed and still very much enjoy your trip.
MagickalKat777
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I guess I should say that you can drink like a fish on them and won't really feel it til you comedown whereas MDE and alcohol actually mix together and enhance the high of the other. That said, MDE is much more "drunk" than a true roll to begin with so I guess it makes sense.
Fair enough.. but a great trip on high-quality MDMA and I don't really see the need for any enhancement.
MagickalKat777
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Yeah but MDE is not MDMA and its not MDA. Its got a nice high to it but its empty in comparison to the other two which makes it perfect for combos but kind of meh on its own. I'd pretty much liken it to the 2C-D version of MDMA. Not a whole lot going on its own, significantly less potent than MDMA, but an absolute rockstar in combos, including with MDMA itself. And adding MDE to MDA and MDMA means you can use less of the other two and thus have a reduced crash and an extremely magical night.
... sure, be extremely careful with 5-mapb. Myself & amny others have suffered lingering brain zaps & emotional problems for months after using this stuff. Long breaks & low doses are HIGHLY recomended.
I had what I assumed to be an MDE sold to me in a nite-club, back in the early 90's when I did that sort of thing, after I came up & went down again all in about 2 hours. Other than the duration, I felt it the most MDMA-like drug I'd ever had. I knew all about MDE at the time, but I only ever got it once. I would have liked to have had more.
What would be a suitable mid-range/safe dose?
Sorry I have no intention of suggesting any dose for this stuff. I put my hands up & admit I overdid it slightly by using it more than one day in a row, & I admit I used 5-mapb on a serotonin system damaged by a mephedrone addiction, but I didn't use very high doses & I can't possibly offer a dosage range for the drug that I would consider "safe".
My advice is, & as a major proponent of free drugs use I am aghast at myself for saying this, if you & anyone else has any good simulant options other than 5-mapb, I'd use that & steer well clear of this stuff.
Having said that, Transform is the man in the know about 5-mapb. If you insist on trying & using this drug, Transform will give the advise that would make you safest. If you wish to avoid the possible dangers of 5-mapb altogether, you'll take the advice I wish I'd been given 18 months ago, & simply don't take it.
My advice is, & as a major proponent of free drugs use I am aghast at myself for saying this, if you & anyone else has any good simulant options other than 5-mapb, I'd use that & steer well clear of this stuff.
Having said that, Transform is the man in the know about 5-mapb. If you insist on trying & using this drug, Transform will give the advise that would make you safest. If you wish to avoid the possible dangers of 5-mapb altogether, you'll take the advice I wish I'd been given 18 months ago, & simply don't take it.
I mean, obviously I respect your advice and response.. but you even admitted you weren't really in a state where you could appreciate and respect the chems. 1) Overdoing it, and 2) dosing consecutively, aaand 3) on an already-damaged system. I mean that's just begging for trouble regardless haha
I don't do anything 'willy-nilly' and I'm trying to really read and read. From most of what I've seen, safe usage of this chem isn't particularly dangerous or prone to negative trips.
Like I said, I put my hands up & admit that I made a mistake. But I didn't go that mad, my system wasn't that damaged & I've taken an awful lot of drugs in my time that caused me no serious problems whatsoever. I used this stuff for only a couple days & I was made extremely ill for a week & I am still suffering symptoms, albiet mild symptoms, some 18 months later. I am not joking, I was very, very unwell & I am still battling symptoms! Is it worth the risk?
I feel it my personal obligation to advise anyone who I see on BL who is interested in 5-mapb of my experience & if they wish to go ahead anyway, fine. I'm sure many people use this drug safely, but even some of them still suffer serious, long-term side-effects. If you're willing & prepared to take that risk, & you have no other option for a stimulant which you'd prefer to use (MDMA, bk-MDMA, 4-FA etc) then go ahead & may all my best wishes be with you But don't expect me to sit quietly by while people use a drug that has caused me more physical & mental harm than any other drug I've taken in the last 30 years.
No-one has to take my advice, the good thing about advice is that you do not have to take it, but if you want to use 5-mapb, you'd be wise to at least consider my own, thoroughly unpleasant experience.
I feel it my personal obligation to advise anyone who I see on BL who is interested in 5-mapb of my experience & if they wish to go ahead anyway, fine. I'm sure many people use this drug safely, but even some of them still suffer serious, long-term side-effects. If you're willing & prepared to take that risk, & you have no other option for a stimulant which you'd prefer to use (MDMA, bk-MDMA, 4-FA etc) then go ahead & may all my best wishes be with you
But don't expect me to sit quietly by while people use a drug that has caused me more physical & mental harm than any other drug I've taken in the last 30 years.No-one has to take my advice, the good thing about advice is that you do not have to take it, but if you want to use 5-mapb, you'd be wise to at least consider my own, thoroughly unpleasant experience.
Dresden
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I took MDE back in 1997 when it was still legal in Holland, and I enjoyed its hard roll. However, energy was lacking and the entire experience only lasted about an hour and one half. MDE is a nice drug, but probably not for dancing really hard to techno music like MDMA. I would like to combine it with methamphetamine someday and see how that goes.
MDE was always missing something when taken alone, add it to something like a low dose of MDMA, or Id guess 5-APB at around 50-70mg and potentiation is obvious, with an absolutely smashed head space. Had MBDB but never the Non methylated BDB, I liked it when it was paired with something with a speedy kick, Butylone would be my first try. I thought 5-MAPB was a very satisfying chemical, it hit the main areas I look for in a stimulating empathogen. But I'm careful with doseage, and frequency. Rotate your receptors like crops 