Bupe IV Buprenorphine Questions

[alleyezonme3]

I keep reading about all the dangers of it. But I had a few questions myself, maybe someone with more experience can help me.

Yes, I get my bupe from suboxone strips. Yes, I do prefer IV to any other ROA. Before telling me about how I am going to ruin my veins, read how I prep it first.

Ok, so here is how I do it.

Take 5x 8mg suboxone films. Place them in a 25ml syringe (no needle). Suck up 5ml of 100% (200 proof) ethyl alcohol. Let it sit for ~24 hours +/- before I put a 0.8um filter on it, and press the 5ml through it. When I am done, I have 5ml of a clear liquid. Strong smell of ethanol, light suboxone "orangey" smell.

I usually then start to let the ethanol evaporate to about 1ml or less. If you put it into the light, it has a barely noticeable orange color to it.

The suboxone strips are completely intact still when I am done, they look a little thinner and as if maybe a little less color to them. But the complete strip is still there.

One thing I found very interesting, when I add any amount of water to it, it turns a cloudy, milky, off-white color to it.



What problems could there be from IVing this solution? To my understand, it should be 100% buprenorphine/nalaxone/maybe some sugars(?) or whatever is in the strips that gives them their flavor.

Please be open minded about this. I have ready plenty of times the dangers of IVing these suboxone films, but that is why I go through all these steps to make a complete solution of just bupe/nalaxone.


Thanks for all the help guys!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Ethanol is bad for the vein when Undiluted. Are you diluting with water as well?

 

[alleyezonme3]

Ethanol is bad for the vein when Undiluted. Are you diluting with water as well?

Sorry for not making that more clear. (I was actually hoping you would be the one to answer! I have followed your posts for a long time on this forum )

I usually let most of the ethanol evaporate, than I add water to the mix until it is under 20% ethanol. I have shot everything from 1% - 100% ethanol, and I promise you the feeling alone lets you know how bad it is for your veins! I actually prefer my shots at 10 - 20% ethanol, I no longer feel any pain from them, and I believe the ethanol will kill off any bacteria that might be present in the water or anywhere else for that matter.

So, now that you know I dilute the ethanol, what do you think of my method? Any harm being done, aside from poking holes in my skin tissue / veins?







Also, this is my 2nd (maybe 3rd) account. In the last month or two, I made an account (DopeFiend something) but have since forgotten the username/password. It was a fairly new account, so I had no problem making a new one.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Well there could be harm from other common IV complications...but in general I think you should be fine.

How many injections do you do per day?

I am glad you're diluting it, very smart.

 

[burn out]

I used to shoot suboxone strips, just dissolve them in water and shooting them filtering through cotton only. Obviously I don't mean to imply that this is safe, but I never had any problems. Therefore given the extra precautions you are taking, you should probably be ok. You are smart to take care yourself and not take tthe dumb IV risks I have taken.

 

[alleyezonme3]

I used to shoot suboxone strips, just dissolve them in water and shooting them filtering through cotton only. Obviously I don't mean to imply that this is safe, but I never had any problems. Therefore given the extra precautions you are taking, you should probably be ok. You are smart to take care yourself and not take tthe dumb IV risks I have taken.

I promise you, if you knew everything I have done, you wouldn't think of me as so smart. I still beat myself up for a lot of the risks I have taken just to put a damn drug into my vein. But, I did always know the risks I was taking at the time, just sadly said "fuck it" and did it anyway.

That said, I do try to be as safe and careful as possible. But when being safe or careful isn't an option, I will do whatever it takes to get that stupid drug into my vein.


Captain: I try to keep it at one injection per day, for harm reduction. Sadly, I am almost as addicted to the needle as I am opiates. I have gotten desperate before and shot just water, ethanol, diphenhydramine, you name it I've probably tried it.

I would say, about 2 - 3 injections per day on average. It also has a lot to do with "chasing a high that isn't there" with bupe. I'll do a small shot, start feeling good, want to feel better so I do another, and usually the 2nd one actually kills the good feelings of the first I've noticed!


But hopefully I stick to my bupe maintenance, and continue with just one injection per day (and 0.5 - 4mg per injection). (I forgot to mention, currently I still play around with H. I usually get a good 7 days or so just on bupe before I forget how much social troubles H causes me, once I use H I go on a 2 - 3 day run before getting back to the bupe)

 

[The Doc.]

That's very self destructive to jump back and forth like that after a while the bupe just stops working for you and when you try to stabilise on bupe you just can't get rid of all the withdrawal. I had to stop doing that I haven't since January now but I still think about how great it was being able to use heroin without the worry of running out and saving some for the morning so you don't wake up sick.

 

[alleyezonme3]

That's very self destructive to jump back and forth like that after a while the bupe just stops working for you and when you try to stabilise on bupe you just can't get rid of all the withdrawal. I had to stop doing that I haven't since January now but I still think about how great it was being able to use heroin without the worry of running out and saving some for the morning so you don't wake up sick.

Hmm what would cause this to happen? I've never had bupe stop 100% of the withdrawal. I would say it stops about 90% for the first three to five days, then after that I feel like the H withdrawal is gone and the bupe on its own is enough.

I never was someone to use high bupe doses (I am perscribed 24mg a day), probably only about 4mg max the first 3 "withdrawal days", then I jump down to <1mg. I usually can actually start to feel the doses of about 1mg at this point, but I never was one to really enjoy the bupe "high". I always use the same amount of dope, even if the effects are diminished due to the bupe (3 bags max, 75mg per bag).

So please explain to me, what phenomenon could this cause to make the bupe "stop working"? It is still an opiate, and unless my tolerance exponentially increases, I don't see the bupe magically stopping working.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

This is what you are IV'ing as well as the bupe/naloxone:

Acesulfame potassium, citric acid anhydrous, maltitol solution, hypromellose, polyethylene oxide, sodium citrate anhydrous, lime flavour, Sunset Yellow FCF and a white printing ink.

Source

So it's not just buprenorphine and naloxone. There's a lot of stuff in there that actually makes the strip itself to house the active ingredient, and that is what isn't exactly good to be injected directly into your blood stream. Just as pills have all manner of binders and fillers, etc, suboxone film does to. Why would you think it wouldn't?

 

[alleyezonme3]

This is what you are IV'ing as well as the bupe/naloxone:

Acesulfame potassium, citric acid anhydrous, maltitol solution, hypromellose, polyethylene oxide, sodium citrate anhydrous, lime flavour, Sunset Yellow FCF and a white printing ink.

Source

So it's not just buprenorphine and naloxone. There's a lot of stuff in there that actually makes the strip itself to house the active ingredient, and that is what isn't exactly good to be injected directly into your blood stream. Just as pills have all manner of binders and fillers, etc, suboxone film does to. Why would you think it wouldn't?

Are all of those substances soluble in pure ethanol? When I am done with my extraction, the entirety of the strip is still there. Thus I thought that I was extracting the buprenorphine/nalaxone and leaving most of the nasty stuff behind.

Also, I put the buprenorphine ethanol solution through a 0.8um wheel filter, I would assume that any other solids that might make it into the ethanol solution would get filtered out at this stage.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

If you're gonna do it, the way you are going about it is certainly the safest way. I don't know precisely how much of the negative shit is getting into your mix, but it's probably not too much so you're probably good. But, just my opinion, any risk at all really is not worth it for IV bupe. It's not like IV'ing it instead of taking it some other safer ROA like SL, gives you so much more like an awesome rush or something, as in the case of heroin, etc. It's basically the same exact feeling, so it's kind of pointless to me (and I'm saying that as someone who IV'ed his suboxone for while in the past and pointlessly destroyed a lot of veins doing it). The risk reward ratio is pretty skewed, IMO. But, no judgement on whatever somebody else chooses to do.

 

[alleyezonme3]

^^

If you're gonna do it, the way you are going about it is certainly the safest way. I don't know precisely how much of the negative shit is getting into your mix, but it's probably not too much so you're probably good. But, just my opinion, any risk at all really is not worth it for IV bupe. It's not like IV'ing it instead of taking it some other safer ROA like SL, gives you so much more like an awesome rush or something, as in the case of heroin, etc. It's basically the same exact feeling, so it's kind of pointless to me (and I'm saying that as someone who IV'ed his suboxone for while in the past and pointlessly destroyed a lot of veins doing it). The risk reward ratio is pretty skewed, IMO. But, no judgement on whatever somebody else chooses to do.

So far, it doesn't seem to cause any abnormal vein problems that normal IV use doesn't cause. The reasons I do it is: under 1mg gets me by, SL would not let this happen. I hate waiting over an hour just for the effects to take place, IV the full bupe effects are there within 10 - 15min. I love the needle, I hate to say it, but I really do love the ritual of shooting up my drugs.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Trust me I know how strong the needle fixation and addiction can be, man. I get it. The way I personally was able to stop IV'ing the bupe, was purely for selfish reasons involving wanting to get high. I didn't want to waste my veins with something that had no rush, etc, so that when I tried to do dope, or coke, or something actually really "worth" it, IV, my veins would be all fucked from IV'ing bupe. You're right, if filtered right, it wont do anymore damage necessarily than anything else, but still damage none the less, and to me.. I didn't want to waste my veins anymore on something as lame as IV bupe. That's how I looked at it anyway.

 

[alleyezonme3]

^^

Trust me I know how strong the needle fixation and addiction can be, man. I get it. The way I personally was able to stop IV'ing the bupe, was purely for selfish reasons involving wanting to get high. I didn't want to waste my veins with something that had no rush, etc, so that when I tried to do dope, or coke, or something actually really "worth" it, IV, my veins would be all fucked from IV'ing bupe. You're right, if filtered right, it wont do anymore damage necessarily than anything else, but still damage none the less, and to me.. I didn't want to waste my veins anymore on something as lame as IV bupe. That's how I looked at it anyway.

I do agree with you, and every time I shoot bupe I always think "I should probably save this rig, and more importantly this vein, for when I have good drugs to shoot". Maybe if I can get a full 2 weeks on bupe alone, I will stop shooting it (I usually only shoot it the first 5 - 7 days, then start looking for another ROA). Sadly, at about the 7 day mark is always when I relapse on H.

 

[sstalker]

Hi guys! I started a similar post about iv'ing bupe about 2 months ago...I was then shooting unfiltered bupe...I took ur advice and start filtering it.To tell the truth the vein damage is still the same...And the effect is far less potent..I thought that by filtering it i'll save my veins but i was wrong..the damage done is the same as when i was shooting it unfiltered...I almost feel nothing this way..I enjoy the first 2 cigarretes and that's it...Still can't get rid of my needle fixation god damn it..Now i'm shooting more trying to achieve the same effect as before but in vain..I know that's stupid but what can i do.U know how hard is to fight these demons..As Mr.Scagnattie said i'm trying to do the same to stop iv'ing it.I ''try'' to keep at least a vein 4 a drug that's worth it but that also doesn't work...Some1 sugested plugging but that's out of the questoin..Any oppinion guys?

 

[daveykronick]

Hi guys! I started a similar post about iv'ing bupe about 2 months ago...I was then shooting unfiltered bupe...I took ur advice and start filtering it.To tell the truth the vein damage is still the same...And the effect is far less potent..I thought that by filtering it i'll save my veins but i was wrong..the damage done is the same as when i was shooting it unfiltered...I almost feel nothing this way..I enjoy the first 2 cigarretes and that's it...Still can't get rid of my needle fixation god damn it..Now i'm shooting more trying to achieve the same effect as before but in vain..I know that's stupid but what can i do.U know how hard is to fight these demons..As Mr.Scagnattie said i'm trying to do the same to stop iv'ing it.I ''try'' to keep at least a vein 4 a drug hat's worth it but that also doesn't work...Some1 sugested plugging but that's out of the questoin..Any oppinion guys?

Filtering it will make a difference I promise you. I would recommend you filter it at least 3x using a clean spoon (and sterile pre-wet cotton) on filtrations 2 and 3. Seriously, I would not filter it less than 3x. You probably can't tell the difference between filtering and not filtering because you are only filtering once with a piece of cotton, if you were filtering at least 3x or using a micron-filter (they are expensive but you can filter a bunch of pills at once and put them into bacterostatic water in a sterile vial for later use), they are worth the cost. This is your health afterall, and if you don't care about it now in your active addiction, then you certainly will later in life, once you get clean (I'm rooting for you, but it's a tough battle). Also, the reason you think it's not giving you the same potency hit is because you probably aren't using a pre-wet cotton. This makes a huge difference as the drug can pass through it instead of getting stuck in the cotton. Also, part of this could be mental, maybe you are thinking it will give you less of a hit and then it does. I know when I think the bupe is going to work it works, when I think it isn't going to work it doesn't. It's a subtle and highly variable drug, depending on your mind-set. Please do yourself a favor and filter it properly and think positively, that it will work just as good because it IS working just as well, you just don't think it is. How much are you shooting? You shouldn't shoot more than 0.5mg at a time and no more than 2-3x a day, so you can stay at or below the ceiling which is 4-6mg sublingual (equals 3-4 0.5mg doses). If you are dosing above that level that might be why you are not feeling it. Trust me, lower doses are where it's at (especially when using IV) because you are getting more of an agonist effect, dosing too much will start to have an antagonist effect. I hope this information is useful too you because I know if I was shooting bupe I would want this info). Take care and I wish you luck in your journeys. Cheers.


P.S. You should seriously consider a different route of administration (I recommend sublingual with ethanol, or intra-nasal, anal) because it just isn't worth it to destroy your veins. I know the fixation can be hard to overcome, I've been there, but I feel so much better now that I am needle-free. Trust me, you will not regret such a decision. Just have a look at the IV complications thread. That should be plenty of motivation.

 

[laCster]

Yes there is definite harm that can come with IV use. What are you really trying to achieve by injecting suboxone? Take a deep look at your life and ask yourself do you really want to go down this all too familiar road?

I understand, I used to inject my suboxone too, I don't know how well your filtering method works, but I would just use a micron filter too. Definitely only use a syringe once, and practice other good HR techniques like alcohol wipes and neosporin to help your tracks heal.

 

[sstalker]

thx 4 the reply guys! daveykronick ur post was verry informative.But let me tell u that in my country we don't have micron filters.it's kinda sience fiction here :D we all use cotton from the cigarette.That's how i filter it.I thought that mabye some of the drug remains there but i don't see what kind of difference would make an ordinary cotton.Only the talc remains there.(or not?)
Anyways..I am shooting 4 or 6 mg a day.Sometimes 6mg at once or 4mg at afternoon and 2 at the evening...I do that only to make the ritual more than once...I know it's shit and not worth it but considering my current situation,liked it or not i must stop...Because i have no place i can shoot at..But persistent as i am,i always find a place...i am afraid if i filter it more than 1 time that i'll be injecting pure watter...So i like my watter a little bit murky.I always inject 1 ml.I am ashamed of my self, cause i can't go outside cause of my marks all over my body...I am pissed at myself for doing it but still when the new day comes i do it all over again.
Tell me plz how u quit the needle.Again thx 4 relying and i am glad that u overcomed this thing