Mental Health Paranoia and Negativity

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Hey guys! Don't post on this ends of BL much but would appreciate any insight or advice into some psychological issues i've been becoming more aware of recently.

Basically I have recurring thoughts of paranoia and distrust, usually focussing on aspects of my past where I feel I have been wronged in some way, though this usually ends up with me focussing really negatively on specific people, including my partner. Up till now i've been trying to ignore it, though what's made it worse is that i'm currently revising for uni exams - and whenever i'm alone and trying to think or read, my thoughts keep returning to these same negative thought cycles, meaning I cannot even sit and learn anything. Furthermore i'm worried that the persisting paranoia I field towards my SO (despite her being really supportive and us having discussed many of the issues I prang about) may begin to fuck with our relationship.

Anyone have any advice? Could I have a psychiatric disorder? If so, is it worth me getting diagnosed/scripted or are there other ways to help ease my mental unrest? Thanks in advance for anyone that can offer me any info.
 
Could you have a disorder? Yes. But this came about during a high tide of stress? Are you doing any illicit drugs? What kind of paranoia? You're doing uni exams this is a stressful time if you're abusing any stimulants on top of that it's entirely possible that your brain is overworking the cogs. You might also discuss this with your SO to see if he/she thinks that maybe seeing a psychiatrist or doctor is a good idea (as she would have the external eyes you do not).
 
This issue has been ongoing for some time now - at least several months, though im sure underlying anxiety issues go back years. Reason I mentioned uni exams and revision is that it leaves me with a lot of time where I am alone and having to think, which means I tend to introspect (and thus get all negative and thus fail at revision) a lot more often, and it's having a direct effect on my life which I can't really ignore. Not abusing any drugs in particular - smoke cannabis and drink alcohol here and there, but very rarely use stimulants any more.
 
Ah okay. Personally I would say that the true problem is that when you introspect you are not introspecting in a healthy manner. Would you agree? If this so, then perhaps instead of listening to yourself (because sometimes you just can't have a meaningful dialogue with yourself) you could go to youtube and listen to influential speakers. It doesn't even have to be self help; just videos of lectures or whatever that you are passionate about. Although if I were to give you a distraction list (until you can introspect a little better) I will give you the gifts given to me by others:

Joseph Campbell (any book)
Aldous Huxley's Perennial Philosophy
Alan Watts.
GK Chesterton is a really fun author (but is Orthodox Christian may not be your thing).

I wish you well God speed.
 
What I mean is, I can't control what I think about - my thoughts keep returning to negative things. I know full well what I should be thinking about (ie. about all the great things and love that my SO provides for me), but I cannot help but have my thoughts drift to questions and distrust when I am not completely externally occupied (and even sometimes when I am).
 
No one can control what they think about. It's about carving a meaningful structure out of your thoughts. But listen I am not here to tell you that this can be beaten solely by you. Sometimes you may need to see a doctor and even then he may deny your fears (that it is some disorder) and send you to a counselor or a psychoanalyst. Your options are plentiful, again, I wish you the best.
 
What stressful changes in your life have recently manifested? Are you taking illegal/legal drugs? It almost sounds like the beginning of paranoid schizophrenia.
 
What stressful changes in your life have recently manifested? Are you taking illegal/legal drugs? It almost sounds like the beginning of paranoid schizophrenia.

Easy there, freud


From what he is saying it would be very hard to speculate anything.

Have you considered that this could be in some ways an attempt to sabotage your exams, indirectly sabotaging your plans in life? Have you had problems procrastinating before?

By what you are saying it could be a small issue that anyone else might struggle with through their day or it could be something serious. A professional who could talk to you face to face would be in a much better position to understand your issue than any of us.


Try to talk about this SO issue with your friends, see what they think. Tell them about stuff and go by their reactions, if they all think you do have some reason to be distrustful of her than it isn't just you.
 
What stressful changes in your life have recently manifested? Are you taking illegal/legal drugs? It almost sounds like the beginning of paranoid schizophrenia.

To be fair it almost sounds like nothing. He didn't tell us his mother's genetic history, his drug history, his past history (sometimes very important), the stress in his day to day life. I mean we know nothing about this poster. It sounds like the beginning of a question rather than an answer.
 
What stressful changes in your life have recently manifested? Are you taking illegal/legal drugs? It almost sounds like the beginning of paranoid schizophrenia.

Might be, though the label is arbitrary for me - what are ways to manage these symptoms?


Have you considered that this could be in some ways an attempt to sabotage your exams, indirectly sabotaging your plans in life? Have you had problems procrastinating before?


I've been having these issues for far longer than uni exams have been on the table, I only mentioned them as an example of how these thoughts are now directly affecting my life detrimentally.


Try to talk about this SO issue with your friends, see what they think. Tell them about stuff and go by their reactions, if they all think you do have some reason to be distrustful of her than it isn't just you.

Even my SO agrees that some the issues I have with her are relevant, most of which stem from her lack of faithfulness and honesty last year. However what I do not think it normal is going over them compulsively constantly, and viewing all my memories of past events and perceptions of character through a disturbingly dark lens, long after many of the problems have been discussed and I have empathised and gained perspective on them.
 
However what I do not think it normal is going over them compulsively constantly, and viewing all my memories of past events and perceptions of character through a disturbingly dark lens, long after many of the problems have been discussed and I have empathised and gained perspective on them.

Use of the word normal is irrelevant. If this is all too much then you should go to a professional.
 
Alright, I agree with the fungus on this one. You are being way too vague. When you say through a disturbingly dark lens, what is that exactly?

I mean it could be just what anyone might regularly go through, if you lost your trust in them you might be having a hard time trusting them again even if you want to. Or it could be something a million times more serious than that. You should absolutely get professional help, but if you also want to talk it out with us you need to be a lot clearer about what kind of thoughts these are and what they encompass, otherwise I mean... there isn't much to go by.
 
i get these type of thoughts too, when something negative happens to me or someone does wrong by me, i question what else could they be hiding and start thinking they have some hidden agenda, and that i cant trust anyone. its only when something bad happens though, that my paranoia kind of manifests and i get these negative thought loops that really get to me. "everyones out to get me, i cant trust anyone because all people really care about are themselves and what they can take from me" is what runs through my mind during these paranoid episodes.
 
Might be, though the label is arbitrary for me - what are ways to manage these symptoms?

Yeah a lot of people feel that way. If you really are ill (and of course we can't diagnose you over the internet), you need three things: medication, therapy, and support. The first probably includes an anti-psychotic as well as a mood-stabiliser; antipsychotics can essentially be broken up into two classes: the atypicals and the typicals.

Atypical anti-psychotics are newer. The first one synthesized, clozapine, is the go-to for treatment-resistant cases of schizo disorders. Others include risperidone, paliperidone, quetiapine, aripiprazole, asenapine, and lurasidone. The advantages to the newer anti-psychotics is that they control aspects of the mood, are generally more tolerable than the typicals, and work for the positive as well as the negative symptoms of schizophrenia via 5-HT2a antagonism. Negative symptoms are things that are taken away from one with the illness, such as experiencing anhedonia or cognitive deficits. Lurasidone and aripirazole are supposed to be particularly effective for controlling depression relative to the other from what I've heard and read. I don't know what makes lurasidone so special but aripirazole is a partial agonist at D2, D3, and D4 as opposed to (as far as I'm aware) every other anti-psychotic, making it fairly activating, though it can be sedating at higher doses.

Typical anti-psychotics were discovered starting in the 1950s. They include haloperidol and chlorpromazine. They are less tolerable, often making one feel "flat", but alas some find them more effective than the atypicals. They generally have high levels of sedation and signficant anti-chollinergic action, which is to say they block the action of acetylcholline, making negative symptoms such as memory impairment worse.

In my experience a combination of an atypical with a smattering of a typical works best.

Mood stabilizers work through Ca+/Na+ channels, generally increasing levels of GABA while decreasing levels of the related glutamate, though they aren't abusable as are GABAergics such as alcohol and benzos. They include valproic acid, tegretol, lamotrigine (particularly effective for depressive episodes), and lithium. Lithium is the the "gold standard" of the mood stabilizers. It has the advantage of also acting as an anti-depressant via increased synthesis of tryptophan (which is converted to serotonin, generally though to be deficient in cases of depression); but it could lead to some serious liver and kidney toxicity, necessitating a blood test evey so often (as a side note, clozapine also requires regular blood test, as I believe it could cause serious damage to the bones, and which is why its a last-resort treatment).

If you're sick, your doctor might also opt to prescribe a benzodiazepine. These attach to the GABA receptor at the benzo site, opening up calcium channels more frequently, which allows your endogenous GABA to bind more often to the receptor site. Benzos include diazepam (very long-acting), clonazepam (long-acting), lorazepam (medium-acting), and temazepam (medium-acting, just indicated for sleep). This class of drugs is pretty addictive though, some saying that after chronic use the withdrawal is worse than that of opiates/oids. Usually they're prescribed for older people (don't know why, but my guess is probably too insidious to post) and alcoholics.

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy involves changing the way you incorporate and view your emotions. It also includes understanding why you feel the way that you do so that you can re-route your reactions to various negative stimuli. Circumstance>thought>emotion>action. It's an invaluable tool, said to be useful for pretty much any mental illness and life struggle alike. I don't know too much about it though. Dialectical Behavior Therapy is similar to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in that it examines the way you feel. I find it less challenging of thoughts than CBT, more of a meditative awareness of whats going on. Therapy also includes talking to a therapist at least once per week. Telling them everything you feel and think that's harming you. Don't keep things bottled up!

Support is having friends to talk over things with. Or family. Or co-workers. It doesn't really matter who it is so long as they listen intently to you and don't demean you in any way for what you're feeling and/or thinking. I think everyone needs a social support system, a safety net for when things get bad. It's just that people who are mentally ill have a tendency to isolate so they oftentimes have trouble building up that team. The sooner you can start the better.

Anyways, hope that helped. It was kind of convoluted. Any questions I'd be happy to answer.
 
I can get like that sometimes and it might be over something really small that usually wouldnt bother me but for some reason i cant let it go and replay it over and over in my head.

Relating to your question about your SO. I can also get how you describe and i become very negative towards here even though she hasnt done anything at all and she is quite supportive as well. I find what helps me kinda snap out of that mindset is i start to remember what made me like her in the first place. I focus on what made me first initially like her. Seems to work everytime. i just soon snap out of the negative thinking.

There is nothing wrong with you though. Everyone gets like that
 
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