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Coca leaf extraction: What went wrong?

AlphaTester

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Hello, a newbie to the forum here, so I hope I'm in the right place for this post...

I recently managed to obtain a kilo of finely ground coca leaf from Peru. It came vacuum packed and by all accounts appears to be the "real thing" - i.e. the tea it makes produces a pleasant buzz and when a touch of baking powder is added to it, you can faintly feel the numbing of the mouth. The taste is also the same as I remember it from having sampled coca tea in Bolivia a couple of years ago.

Because I'm a natural tester (ha!), I could not resist trying to have a go at the extraction process. Now I'm certainly no chemist; apart from doing some basic organic chemistry at high school many years ago, I have no experience whatsoever with lab work etc. However the few recipes revealed by Google, in particular the "classic" one at Shroomery, seemed to indicate it should not be too hard to get a fine product at the end; if perhaps my losses would have been higher than a competent chemist would achieve.

So I obtained a separation funnel, filters, kerosene, some sulfuric acid and soda ash (Na2CO3), and got to work. I was unable to buy decent ammonia without soap mixed in, so decided to do the final cocaine base extraction using soda ash instead.

Everything seemed to go well; after 3 days soaking in kerosene, the base was extracted into H2SO4, filtered and the resulting beer-colored liquid oxidized in an ice bath, using 6% solution KMnO4. At this stage, I ended up with a liquid resembling drinking chocolate in its color and consistency.

After filtering, a clear liquid, with just a very slight, almost invisible, yellow tint, was obtained. I do not believe that I added too much (or too little); the quantities were not significantly different to what other people had described on the Net, and the final color was not pink (which I understand would have had the potential to kill the alkaloid).

Slowly & carefully adding a 10% solution of sodium carbonate up to ph 10 produced, as expected, a white precipitate, which settled at the bottom & sides of the glass beaker.

Once dried, the precipitate resembled chalk more than anything. I was happy to stop here; no need to proceed to the next step of converting the base to cocaine hydrochloride. Smoking some good base seemed like it would do the trick nicely. I was something I had not done before, as my previous experiences with cocaine have mainly involved the IV route, so I was keen to see how it compared.
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However to get it out of the beaker, I dissolved it in acetone - and perhaps this is where I screwed up?

Instead of letting it evaporate, I heated the liquid up to boiling, and ended up with pinky-colored substance, which when smoked, was very little like what I'd expected. The smoke is quite acrid and irritating to the lungs. There is an acidic aftertaste which does not go away for a day or so.

More importantly, the high is not a cocaine high. There is a bit of that, for sure, but overall it just makes you feel very wired and wanting more almost straight away. It also kept me awake for most of the night (after stopping the smoking at around 10pm).

I am not a smoker (the one bad habit I managed to not pick up, haha!), so perhaps it is to be expected that my lungs would not like this, but even now, 3 days later, I feel short of breath and inclined to cough from time to time.

I am truly curious what could it be that I ended up with, and where did I screw up the process?

As I said, this was really just a project to see if I could do it; importing the leaves is not cheap or risk-free, and overall, given the time and cost involved, one would have been better off just picking up the phone and ringing the local coke-head... Wink

So what do the local chemistry gurus think?
 
Drug Studies is not the forum for this --> NSPD

The effects of crack are different from cocaine administered other ways because it reaches the brain faster than even IV does. It sounds to me like it worked just fine, you're just not a base head.

In colombia, they call it, "bah-say".
 
Drug Studies is not the forum for this --> NSPD

Thanks.

The effects of crack are different from cocaine administered other ways because it reaches the brain faster than even IV does. It sounds to me like it worked just fine, you're just not a base head.

Thanks, but I find that hard to believe.

As I said, I have used coke many times over the years, and the effect of whatever I concocted is nothing like either snorting or shooting it. There is no euphoria, just an extremely wired feeling, and there is no 'orgasmic' rush on inhalation, either.

If crack/freebase smoking was always like this, I doubt it would be very popular. ;-)

I have in the past come across threads here dealing with synthesis etc of RCs, so I was hoping that someone with an understanding of chemistry would help enlighten me as to what chemical I might have ended up with.

Never mind; in the end it's not that relevant I suppose.
 
Hello alphatester , if you could contact me by MP

i send you à message and i maybe ça help you
 
Hello and first , sorry for my english

just want to know if some body on the forum try this famous méthod " coca tea extraxtion " http://files.shroomery.org/cms/5884387-cocaine_extraction.pdf

i m very interesting about and i think i m gone try next month

if somedy could say me if the method is ok and if i try with serious materiel , do you think i could success ?

any suggest or experience can help me


and again , really sorry for my english
 
This discussion is bridging on illegal. One should take care to realize what they're doing to their brain. I really hope you don't succeed, but that's personal opinion. Coca is much different from cocaine. The former is much more mild and has been used for more than a millennium by the indigenous of South America to help complete the work of a hard life. The latter is extremely dangerous - not good for individual users or society except when used for medical purposes.
 
Might be considered off topic but I would avoid smoking freebase cocaine in any form.

Well known through various studies to be more dangerous in regards to the sudden elevation of vital signs specifically increased heart rate. In other words the risk of a heart attack is much greater when smoking.

The addiction potential is also well known to be significantly higher.

There are various studies available with a simple google search that will confirm these statements but if you really wish then I will find a source and post it here.

Just some healthy advice in terms of harm reduction.

Oh and smoking at home chemistry projects can't be good either ;)
 
but if you really wish then I will find a source and post it here.

Just some healthy advice in terms of harm reduction.

Oh and smoking at home chemistry projects can't be good either ;)


Thanks a lot for your help !! You re very cool

yes , if you could post your source and suggest , it could help me , i m gone try to do so ... , make safety with good help is à good idea thx

i m not a drug dealer , just want to test for fun to have my own product ( home made lol )


ho chi min : i know , drug is bad m'kay
 
On second thought if your so interested in cocaine harm reduction you should look into it yourself.

I wouldnt want to deprive you of hours of insightful reading on the dangers of crack cocaine.
 
On second thought if your so interested in cocaine harm reduction you should look into it yourself.

I wouldnt want to deprive you of hours of insightful reading on the dangers of crack cocaine.


I dońt want to make crack cocaine but cocaine hcl , i don ´ t smoke free base
 
Extracting cocaine freebase is much easier than making the freebase into HCl as the last step. Making cocaine HCl at home is a bad idea. It is either very unsafe and liable to get you killed or injured, or if you half-ass it then you lose a huge amount of yield.

The problem is that cocaine is an ester (actually two esters) and esters are liable to be broken apart in strongly acidic or basic conditions, especially if there's any water present, and doubly so if the compound dissolves in water. If you allow water into the salting process, or even something like methanol, some of the cocaine will be destroyed by conversion into things like benzoylecgonine, benzoic acid etc.

Concentrated hydrochloric acid will fume hydrogen chloride if you expose it to the air and will cause serious burns if you spill it, it will also destroy anything made of iron. Likewise with ether solutons of HCl. Ether and hexanes are both flammable. No sparks, no smoking.

"Safe" but low yield way: Dissolve cocaine freebase in ether, add concentrated hydrochloric acid dropwise with good stirring until no more precipitate forms. Collect the salt via filtration. If you use hexane or any other solvent that is immiscible with water the cocaine will probably stay dissolved in a water layer at the bottom and you should separate it as fast as you can and then evaporate it somewhere with a high surface area and low temperature.

Unsafe way: You need a solution of anhydrous hydrochloric acid in something aprotic like ether, or a hydrogen chloride gas generator with a sulfuric acid drying bubbler. This needs to be done in a well-regulated fume hood or somewhere that there are no people around. Face protection, lab coat, proper shoes, etc. Make a solution of cocaine freebase in ether or hexanes, dry it out if need be, and add the HCl in ether to it, then let everything evaporate somewhere dry. (dessicator).

If you leave cocaine HCl out in the open it will react with water from the air. Store it in a sealed dry place.
 
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting in a thread. I too know someone who has obtained some coca tea. They would be very interested in extracting some cocaine hcl. They have managed to get most of the ingredients, however the sulphuric acid needed on the shroomery post is 6% concentrate, swim has some 98% concerntrate. How would swim modify the amount needed or Dilute the acid accordingly. Also has the problem with this extraction of freebase been letting it boil, rather than evaporating overnight, for example?
 
Hello, sekio
Hope you are well and do not mind me asking your expert advice.
I hope this is pm for you, I would like to know about this extraction, and certain acid strengths needed for the extraction. Your time and experience appreciated.
 
you can dilute the sulfuric with distilled water. Add acid to water not the other way around because it will heat up and you don't want boiling steamy acid fumes....
 
Right, that makes sense. What about what alpha tester said about boiling the freebase? Should he have let it evaporate over night, with low temps and good ventilation?
 
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