Mental Health psychostimulants for depression

[falsifiedhypothesi]

My recent trips to the psychiatrist have confirmed that I have depression, something I've known for a while. They have also said I am borderline adhd.

My regular doctor had me on sertraline when I told her I was depressed. All that did was make me more dulled than I already was, that was quite a feat as I was already indifferent to basically anything that didn't cause me direct stimulation.

I was then put on wellbutrin which barely helped me with motivation yet made me irritable as hell.

After using those drugs I feel worse than before. I used to have suicidal thoughts but they went away as I got older, they completely disappeared from my life until I was about a week into wellbutrin. I would never act on the thoughts, I realize it would cause too much pain for my family.

I haven't told anyone about these thoughts because I'm sure the first thing they would do is push more serious antidepressants and possibly antipsychotics my way. My psych pretty much told me I will have no control over my treatment if I was suicidal.

My main point is I have tried adderall (15mg xr once a day) and it has helped me get my life in motion again for the few days I took it. I was able to think clearly and focus on things that needed to be done rather than lose all interest a second after starting something. I have no intention of abusing stimulant. I know they will rapidly lose effect just like opiates did.

I need to know, if stimulants can be prescribed to people with adhd for years why can't they work for depression? I realize tolerance will become an issue as well as the comedown, but I can handle the backlash because I know it's drug related. I can't continue to live the way I am and I have no trust in antidepressants.

 

[Abject]

Because euphoric drugs and depression don't work together, sort of like the relationship between abusive lovers. (There are high chances of abuse and addiction.)

I do think amps can be effective anti-depressants (especially for amovition/apathy/lethargy/laziness.) I would place them with oldschool MAOIs.. amps have a better side effect profile but they're also much more likely to be abused. They (amps) will become less effective as an anti-depressant over time, regardless of dose, though still somewhat helpful? (maybe)

If someone were to attempt this, first and foremost check out the amp tolerance thread. I would suggest they keep the doses as low, increase slow (don't just follow yr tol willy nilly), and if you start showing signs of dependence/increase in use please just stop before things progress.

As for you OP, you've tried one SSRI. Jumping from that to amphetamines is unreasonable, and unless a psych is convinved your ADHD is affecting your quality of life significantly I can't see you getting an rx for stims (an rx could be easy to obtain where you live, I have no idea)

Look into other anti-depressants if you want an anti-depressant.
Pursue amps if u want stimulation.

 

[Dysphoric]

I myself have been really contemplating taking my Desoxyn again for my anhedonic rut that has been ongoing for the past 4 years, its getting the best of me now. Most meds I've seen for depression are useless to say the least. I would say something like an MAO sounds very useful, but fuck me, it has to have dangerous reactions to EVERYTHING. That poison will never enter my body because of that. SSRI's haven't worked well with my family and not to mention they just numb you and make sex irrelevant. So really there's nothing left. Tobacco is about the only thing that worked fairly well, but I can't do it anymore because I'm too conscious of the health risks, especially associated with the heart that it would now give me anxiety if I did it. Tieneptine sounds interesting but isn't available. However with all that said I still wouldn't be able to take Desoxyn because stimulant use makes one more susceptible to anxiety, not to mention I wouldn't be able to take an amphetamine without tobacco, impossible!

As you can see its pretty hopeless.

 

[Abject]

SSRIs are one class. There are NRIs, RIMAs, selegiline (an MAO-b inhibitor), T(e)CAs.

As far as Tianeptine, I have recently started on it (it's available online without too much looking, pharm not RC)
hell, you can go to the chemist and pick up some cough syrup if you need a fast acting "anti-depressant"

The issue here is less that it's amphetamine and more that amphetamine is quite enjoyable at high doses

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I would like to believe I can use amphetamine while not abusing it. I did some research on tolerance prevention and it sounds expensive but not completely improbable. I would like to try a couple weeks on it, but convincing my psych of the same might be a hard sell.

tianeptine sounds much more efficient than ssri's on paper. I wonder what the long term effects are. hope you find something dysphoric

 

[Dysphoric]

SSRIs are one class. There are NRIs, RIMAs, selegiline (an MAO-b inhibitor), T(e)CAs.

As far as Tianeptine, I have recently started on it (it's available online without too much looking, pharm not RC)

NRI, would be useless as well, nothing enjoyable to come from that but peripheral side effects and anxiety. R-MAO's still carry interactions, just not as strict, but enough to be poison in my books. I was put on an tricyclic antidepressant when I was younger and it was a nightmare.

I'm fully aware of the "availability" of Tieneptine, but I've heard that getting it online can be sketchy and have heard of legitimate looking stuff turning out to be RC's, yet again FUCK THAT! I would love to know the stuff I was getting is straight from a pharmacy. With all that aside how is it from you experience though?