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EADD Mephedrone (4-MMC) Pirate Flagship XIII v. So Shit I'm Gonna Throw It In The Bin

Ah c'mon. Rest of your answer was sound and you didn't need the butt hurt addendum.

Hehe. It does sound a bit like that doesn't it looking at it again. That wasn't actually what I was meaning - was actually mean as a genuine question. In my defence, I'd only just woken up and am a bit hungover. Just find it strange that people are so touchy about mephedrone whereas nobody is at all bothered if somebody bitches about coke or booze or practically any other drug really. It's mostly accepted that some people just really don't like some drugs. As I said above, I don't deny being OTT in the past but I honestly don't think I am at all now. If somebody asks a question about meph I answer it in a reasonable way - may sometimes add a lil dig but it's of the good-natured variety instead of the massive posts of condemnation, disgust and doom and woe for all who use the stuff it used to be. I'm not a fan by any stretch but I don't think I try to impose my opinion on anybody else - may have done in the past but that's not the case now. At least I don't think it is and would hope it's not.
 
I envy the lucky people who never got comedowns from it, the stuff ruined me after

Know a few people who find it more euphoric than crystal meth. wouldnt mind having a lil try of meth
 
I strongly suspect much of the whole concept of pre and post ban being so very different is bullshit. It was the very same manufacturers making both until China banned meph a while back so not reason at all for there to be any difference beyond set and setting. I very much believe that is still the case. Lab results would appear to confirm this - meph is still meph, it's the mindset that's changed.
Probably you'd be right if we were talking about uncut substances purchased directly from the producer and synthesized by expert chemists in pharma-industry grade laboratory, but that's not the case. The chemicals used, their purity, the process, all play a part. There is absolutely no way that the mephedrone which is around now is the same as the pre-ban I'm afraid
Pre-ban meph was a pretty special substance to most folk who had it.
I remember F&B following, nay leading that line. And I also remember the PM I got off him when he'd finally got round/succumbed to trying a line. Blew his face off and he thought it was as special as everyone else who did it knew it was.
Pre-ban was an amazing substance for those who "got" it. Would guarantee a banging plus 4 on the Shulging scale nearly every time, but then I used to do it no more than once every 2-3 months, as the comedowns were horrific for me
Do you reckon Meph is here to stay, will it be around 5-10 years+? There's _a lot_ of shit stuff out there and it's only coming up on 4 years from the ban. Will it die out? Where is it being manufactured now?
Believe it or not, it's still very popular, lots of people have started doing it after the ban. Will it still be around in 5-10 years? Probably yes, unless something else, with the same stimmy, cokey, rushy, musical, qualities comes on the market. I don't know where it's manufactured now, I've heard India, East Europe, even UK, but who knows?
I think most people who got into mephedrone recognise it's bad side tbh.
Doing pre-ban made me feel like I was eating the Forbidden Apple, lol. "So good, it must be wrong"
Just find it strange that people are so touchy about mephedrone whereas nobody is at all bothered if somebody bitches about coke or booze or practically any other drug really.
Good point, I find it mildly annoying when people slags meph, there is often a judgmental slant to it (or maybe it's my guilty conscience?), don't know why now that you mention it. For people who enjoyed it, I've said it before, pre-ban drone was otherworldly. Mailmonkey used to joke that "The Drone is a sacrament, religions will be built around it" :)
 
Otherworldly indeed, amazing stuff. stimmy rushy gurny wide eyed dreamy amazing-ness
 
Otherworldly indeed, amazing stuff. stimmy rushy gurny wide eyed dreamy amazing-ness
Exactly ;). See what I mean?
PS Not to mention the way music sounded on it... it's a two-way thing, the substance enhanced the music appreciation and the music multiplied the rushes and the euphoria. Awwww... at least we've experienced it :D. I wonder what would be of us now if it were still legal...
 
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Music used to sound unbelievably good on it, astonishing, perfect raving drug. i've wondered the same... doing it every weekend burnt me out in the end, brutal stuff, if it was still legal now id probably be a right mess lol. yep we have indeed experienced some special amazing-ness. no comedowns for months either untill one weekend i did it 2 nights in a row, and bang, triggered comedowns from then on. heavy, lethargic, heart palps, etc, every side effect from it. promised myself to stop doing it but as soon as i had a few drinks i'd be craving it. some of the best nights of my life
 
Pre-ban was an amazing substance for those who "got" it. Would guarantee a banging plus 4 on the Shulging scale nearly every time, but then I used to do it no more than once every 2-3 months, as the comedowns were horrific for me

At the risk of alienting myself from the meph thread users forever, it's not possible for a drug like mephedrone to even register on the Shulgin scale in that way. Mephedrone may be many things but it is not a transcendental experience in the sense the Shulgin Scale relates to. That would be like saying crystal meth is a +4 on the Shulgin Scale. It's the wrong scale for measurement.

That's actually not criticising mephedrone at all - it's just not a viable scale to use for such drugs. Psychedelics are different to other drugs whether into psyches or not. They have far more "profound" effects whatever a person's opinion on the relevance, meaning, lack of meaning, spiritual, psychomimetic or other effects one may believe psychedelics to have. Meph on the Shulgin Scale is like an earthquake on the Beaufort Scale - interesting connection and perhaps suggestive of something but not really meaningful in terms of the actual scale used.
 
Yeah, I was wondering about mention of the Shulgin scale..

Shame I missed the boat on the pre-ban stuff really. Pft.
 
...it's not possible for a drug like mephedrone to even register on the Shulgin scale in that way.
That's actually not criticising mephedrone at all - it's just not a viable scale to use for such drugs. Psychedelics are different to other drugs whether into psyches or not. They have far more "profound" effects whatever a person's opinion on the relevance, meaning, lack of meaning, spiritual, psychomimetic or other effects one may believe psychedelics to have.
PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.

It does refer to the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but I can definitely relate to the 'peak experience', 'divine transformation', 'state of bliss' and 'connectedness with both the interior and exterior universe' mentioned there.

Shambles, you are not me, you were not in my mind when I was on it, you don't know what I felt, and above all it's a substance that you didn't enjoy and somewhat dislike.
When I tried meph for the first time I had been experimenting with substances for 30 years, rest assured that I know a plus-4 when I experience one ;) <3
 
Likewise. well sorta, DMT goes above it for me but cant really compare em
 
Shame I missed the boat on the pre-ban stuff really. Pft.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, Swampdragon, pre-ban meph (if you like it) is one of those substances which will always stay with you, I don't know how else to explain it. Nothing will ever compare to it, it's like opening a Pandora Vase. Now even when I smoke weed, which is dopaminergic, it's something similar to the pre-ban meph high that I feel (on a milder scale of course) :\
 
Annnnddd, just to show I'm not being cunty to Shambles...I agree with him re the +4 business. I don't think meph users referring to the Shulgin scale are going to help endear him to the meph crew. I love my (pre-ban) meph as much as the next woman or man (unless that man is Mailmonkey I suppose) but I can't get behind the idea of describing its euphoric loveliness on the Shulgin scale. It's just not the same thing, the way I understand it. Which is the same way that Shambles understands it.
 
I don't think meph users referring to the Shulgin scale are going to help endear him to the meph crew. I love my (pre-ban) meph as much as the next woman or man (unless that man is Mailmonkey I suppose) but I can't get behind the idea of describing its euphoric loveliness on the Shulgin scale. It's just not the same thing, the way I understand it. Which is the same way that Shambles understands it.

Again, you just don't know what I felt when I was on it, different drugs affect different people in different way.
From what you have written in previous posts I gather that the way I use(d) pre-ban meph, the setting, my attitude towards it is very different from yours. I am a different person from you as well.

Using pre-ban was pretty much like stepping into another dimension for me, end of. To the point that I would never have used it even outside my house, or as a social drug, or with anybody else apart from my BFF. Then again during the Great UK M-Cat Craze I would come across shop assistants, cab drivers, ice-cream van drivers, students (from schools, colleges and uni) under the influence while working, on buses, etc. And of course I don't think they were experiencing a plus 4... They were treating pre-ban meph in a completely different way from how I was (and I still would if I could).
 
I just used it indoors to fuck my gf silly. Oh I think I did it by a river once. And fucked my gf stupid.

Yeah. Horses for courses. But you could try and be a little less defensive. Mwah.
 
I just used it indoors to fuck my gf silly. Oh I think I did it by a river once. And fucked my gf stupid.
Yeah. Horses for courses. But you could try and be a little less defensive. Mwah.
Lol. We've already had a bit of a banter about this haven't we, SHM ;)
Mwah <3
 
Anyone have any tips on removing the smell of cat piss from my jean pockets?

Every time i put on my jeans im just hit with the smell and the cravings start!
 
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