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Today in history (1961): The Bay of Pigs invasion took place in Cuba.

Should the U.S. government have supported the rebels?
 
^Obviously not imo. Not only did they fail, but it was an international humiliation for the US.

On April 17, 1790 American ambassador Benjamin Franklin died.

In 1969, Sirhan Sirhan was convicted of the assassination of Robert F Kennedy.

And on this day in 1975, Phnom Penh fell to the Khmer Rouge, ending the Cambodian war and ushering in an era of terror and systematic mass murder in Cambodia.

Less than 5 years later, the newly communist Vietnamese government invaded and removed the Khmer Rouge. Was this invasion justified? What were the real intentions of the Vietnamese, were they genuinely concerned the with atrocities taking place in Cambodia? Or did they simply want to install a regime that worked more closely with the Vietnamese government?
 
The easiest way to a permanent solution is permanent removal of the problem. The Khmer Rouge were a serious threat, and the North Vietnamese were not going to be complacent after a hard fought victory.
 
Bardeaux said:
^Obviously not imo. Not only did they fail, but it was an international humiliation for the US.

On April 17, 1790 American ambassador Benjamin Franklin died.

In 1969, Sirhan Sirhan was convicted of the assassination of Robert F Kennedy.

And on this day in 1975, Phnom Penh fell to the Khmer Rouge, ending the Cambodian war and ushering in an era of terror and systematic mass murder in Cambodia.

Less than 5 years later, the newly communist Vietnamese government invaded and removed the Khmer Rouge. Was this invasion justified? What were the real intentions of the Vietnamese, were they genuinely concerned the with atrocities taking place in Cambodia? Or did they simply want to install a regime that worked more closely with the Vietnamese government?
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I don't think they were genuinely concerned, knowing most of the historical events about wars and invasion, every country/government is power hungry so IMO, they simply want to install a regime.

Today in history:
1518 - Bona Sforza is crowned as queen consort of Poland.
1927 - Chiang Kai-Shek forms anti-government in China
1902 - Denmark is 1st country to adopt fingerprinting to identify criminals

^How much was the impact of adopting fingerprinting to criminal law? How helpful is this method?
 
How easily could the Khmer Rouge have been manipulated to turn against the Vietnamese? The Khmer Rouge were an offshoot of the North Vietnamese, operated under a very similar system, and had a seat at the UN. The Vietnamese toppled the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia (a communist organization with similar goals and ideas), and did not do the same in Laos (a communist organization with similar goals and ideas). So, we have two similar countries with very similar systems, yet one was toppled and the other allowed to go on. The difference was the aggressive militancy of the Khmer Rouge which made them into quite a dangerous neighbor. Moreover, in their piss poor attempts at communism they pretty much had perverted everything the N. Vietnamese stood for.

From a Vietnamese point of view the invasion of Cambodia to supplant the Khmer Rouge seems justified.


As to finger printing. Effective as a new method to which criminals are ignorant of, but extremely easy to get around (or manipulate) once it became common knowledge.
 
I think fingerprinting has been very helpful in solving cases.

As far as the Vietnamese go, I think they just wanted to run Cambodia as they saw fit. Maybe I'm just jaded, but people tend to only care about themselves.
 
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1775
The "shot heard around the world" was fired. Colonial Minute Men took on British Army regulars at Lexington and Concord, Mass., starting the American Revolution.
1824
Lord Byron died of a fever while helping the Greeks fight the Turks.
1882
Naturalist Charles Darwin, developer of the theory of evolution, died.
1897
The first Boston Marathon was run.
1933
The United States went off the gold standard.
1943
The Warsaw ghetto uprising began, one of the first mass rebellions against the Nazis.
1993
The siege at Waco, Texas, ended when FBI moved into the Branch Davidian compound with tear gas and cult members set fire to the compound killing over 80 people.
1995
The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Okla., was destroyed by a car bomb. 168 people, including 19 children were killed in the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history up to that time.


How do you feal about people who totally reject evolution?
What are your thoughts on money just being back by faith?
 
Ooh, two questions! =D

I can't believe some people totally reject evolution. I'm sure those people feel the same way about those of us who totally reject creationism lol.

It's kind of scary that money is backed only by faith. I can see why they wanted to do away with the gold standard, but still.
 
Shimmer.Fade said:
How easily could the Khmer Rouge have been manipulated to turn against the Vietnamese? The Khmer Rouge were an offshoot of the North Vietnamese, operated under a very similar system, and had a seat at the UN.
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Negatory, the Khmer Rouge was a US backed organization. They were a communist-like organization, but they were used by the US to combat the communist takeover of Vietnam as soon as the Khmer Republic was founded. So the two countries were at odds from the beginning. The Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in the late 70s also prompted a (failed) Chinese invasion of Vietnam.
 
Tude said:
Ooh, two questions! =D

I can't believe some people totally reject evolution. I'm sure those people feel the same way about those of us who totally reject creationism lol.

It's kind of scary that money is backed only by faith. I can see why they wanted to do away with the gold standard, but still.
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Agreed! +1

Today is Adolf Hitler's birthday.

Compare and contrast Vladimir Putin and Adolf Hitler.
 
Bardeaux said:
Negatory, the Khmer Rouge was a US backed organization. They were a communist-like organization, but they were used by the US to combat the communist takeover of Vietnam as soon as the Khmer Republic was founded. So the two countries were at odds from the beginning. The Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in the late 70s also prompted a (failed) Chinese invasion of Vietnam.
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Why negatory? What you said is what I was implying lol.
 
Bardeaux said:
The part about them being an offshoot of the north Vietnamese that operated under a similar system lol
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They did work closely with the N. Vietnamese before being manipulated and corrupted by outside powers. The only reason they came to power was due to support from the N. Vietnamese. Pretty much every source out there supports this notion.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316738/Khmer-Rouge
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~marye20l/classweb/Khmer%20Rouge%20Decline.html

I could keep listing them, but it would be pointless.
 
Maya said:
LOL!

Leadership, ideals, political reign
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Putin was obviously a less brutal leader than Hitler. I mean, what Hitler did will never be forgotten. It'll forever overshadow the magnitude of improvement his economic policies had on Germany.

Today in history (1509): Henry VIII became king of England.

Do you believe Christianity would've split into two factions if he hadn't influenced it, or do you believe the split into Catholicism and Protestantism was inevitable?
 
^I was expecting you to ask how many wives he had =D

As far as I remember, the split was raged due to his marriage to Anne Boleyn which was a slap in Catherine of Aragon's face, so I believe that his actions did the final straw on the division Christianity.
 
Today in history (1616): William Shakespeare died.

There's been debate on whether one person really wrote all those plays on his own, or if William Shakespeare was actually a collective of different writers using the same pen name. What do you think?
 
Shimmer.Fade said:
They did work closely with the N. Vietnamese before being manipulated and corrupted by outside powers. The only reason they came to power was due to support from the N. Vietnamese. Pretty much every source out there supports this notion.
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From your source:

Relations between Cambodia and Vietnam have always been guarded. Thus, although the Khmer Rouge received aid from North Vietnam in their initial rebellion, the Khmer Rouge was hesitant about acknowledging ties between their party and the Vietnamese. They viewed Vietnam as their historical enemy.
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The Viet Minh supplied aid to the Communist Party of Kampuchea (the Khmer Rouge) in the 1950s, and military assistance in the early 1970s. Apart from this and a shared opposition to French colonialism, there really wasn't much of a cultural or ideological similarity between Vietnam and Pol Pot's government. The Vietnamese didn't implement the same agricultural reforms that the Khmer Rouge did or exterminate millions of people. When they were removed by the Vietnamese, they were kept alive as a guerrilla force by the US government.
 
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