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does anybody else think hard drug users and psychedelic users should switch drugs?

Bob Loblaw said:
I guess you don't realise that A LOT of psychedelic users get hooked on opiates. It's incredibly common to see someone start out mainly tripping & then switch to IV heroin, e.g.

Look at Jerry Garcia as a prime example. I can think of many BLers for whom this is true.
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Goes the other way too. I started strongly favouring psyches as my DoC but soon switched to opies then years down the line used psyches to help break addictions to heroin and crack. I now use both - separately and together - but not at anything like the level I used to. Still got some work to do in getting completely out from under my addiction issues but have come a long way.

I think the OP relies a bit too heavily on stereotypes but can see what s/he's getting at. If I've learnt anything over many, many years of constant (and mostly rather heavy) drug use I think that it would be that moderation really is a Good Thing. Being overly into any category of drugs is bad news as far as I can tell. A little of what you fancy does you good, relying too heavily on any type of drug becomes deadly dull - variety is spicier. Personally I think I've leant things from more or less every drug I've tried. Not always positive lessons but lessons all the way.
 
I think it is all individual. I used to handle both classes of drugs without a hitch. Now that I'm older, the psychedelic trip is rough during the experience itself while the hard drugs take their toll after the effects have worn off. I look forward to the day that I can handle either with ease again, but I also recognize that resilience is partially a byproduct of youth. I hold no expectations for what I might be able to endure in the future; I can only hope that I can return to being more comfortable in every state of mind.

Tl;dr: nah I don't rly agree.
 
invictus said:
the river of deceit that flows down, down, down, while they watch the blood flow in the muddy sewers, and they get hit, and they should have known better.

Spiritually, they die young, so they take another hit of dmt, and bury their brother, the demon junky monkey on their backs, and they never look back.
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Mad Season/AIC references?

I definitely agree with that a heavy opiate user can greatly benefit from psychedelic experiences and self-reflection. Ibogaine seems to be getting some attention that it may be successful because of the psychedelic experience and action working on the K-opioid receptor.
 
I've done both hard drugs and soft people and honestly I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
I don't think you can really abuse psychedelics unless you try really hard. I personally am trying to get off of "hard drugs" and psychedelics on occasion help me control cravings because I get a bit of the euphoria I crave. So, I think the premise of the question has a fundamental problem, it assumes that everyone fits into a class of user. We don't.:) No offense, interesting question.
 
sinclair1984 said:
I don't think you can really abuse psychedelics unless you try really hard. I personally am trying to get off of "hard drugs" and psychedelics on occasion help me control cravings because I get a bit of the euphoria I crave. So, I think the premise of the question has a fundamental problem, it assumes that everyone fits into a class of user. We don't.:) No offense, interesting question.
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so let me get this straight....you have a problem with hard drugs and psychedelic drugs are doing you some good...but there is a flaw in my premise? isn't this exactly what I was saying???
 
invictus said:
I suffer from anxiety so I take dangerous problematic drugs that fuck my shit up way worse, but I handle hard drugs way better, even though it is exasberating my condition.

this is exactly why you need a heroic dose in an uncomfortable setting, to clear up these misconceptions.
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What misconceptions?

There is no way I'd take a large amount of psychedelics. I have done them enough times and it has made my anxiety worse. Hard drugs are fine for me (stimulants, benzos, opiates).
 
Lol, I agree (minus the get hep c part). People on psychedelics alone have never known true pleasure and can get so sanctimonious and pretentious despite their ignorance. Junkies need the forced self-reflection psychedelics can offer.

People who naturally dabbled in both types of drug may not understand why this is important for these people.
 
The typification of 'junkies' as grimey ass pieces of shit is a bit wearing. There are grimey ass junkie pieces of shit(mind you, these are the VISIBLE junkies), of course, but not everyone is like that. I can honestly say I never fucked anyone over for dope and I do not owe anyone money. I of course, have suffered the consequences of opioid addiction but there are a lot of cofactors that, I, at least, cannot weigh. Being in pain, lack of social support, asshole family, etc.

But then I am one of the people who have done both, to great excess. I was never a 'psychonaut,' tho. I've just done the great variety of drugs which are available to those who know where to find em.

People take both opies and psychs to the extreme, resulting, reliably, in loss of quality of life.

I may be a pothead junkified old rave casualty, but it's been a hell of an experience, at least. All I really regret ingesting chemical-wise is far, far too much booze, over far too many years.

I digress.....
 
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