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raas_2012 said:
The recent Charas has been giving me epiphanies like nothing before, I used to smoke weed frequently for years but never has it been as trippy as this. I'm not sure if it's the purity of this stuff, or my mind being more receptive to the drug due to age.
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Or maybe it's riddled with 'noids? ;)
 
ColtDan said:
I bet its brought on reveleations that have made you doubt your faith and its upset you
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Dan, here's a question for you.

What does Christianity frighten so many people?

All my life I have believed in God, in Jesus. I don't push my faith onto people because I don't believe in doing that, I know how people get so wound up over it. My Mam is an atheist. I tried to read the bible but the font so was small I ended up having headaches n gave up reading. I'd listen to readings in assembly, I'd listen to my Nain (Welsh for Grandmother, pronounced NINE) Peggy talk about God n Jesus... And before anyone says anything---- my Nain lost a daughter, at aged 8 n her husband to Alzheimer's (had angina) and could not leave the house for years with no TV, just her dog for company. I personally could not have done that. Anyway, I pray to God, n though, I do have an open mind about spirituality, Christianity is my faith. I pray to God every evening - accept the months that I drank heavily n I have a lot of guilt over that, because in a way, I turned away from God, but I pray now.... Cutting a long story short, as it annoys people so much.

I'd love to know why.

Remember, before anyone starts the argument of evidence-based (I've got a BSc in Psychology and understand this), HOWEVER, faith is different. Faith, which, Christianity is to me, is not about acquiring evidence. It is about believing without questioning or needing evidence or "proof."

Anyhow, AND PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, do not be nasty to each other over this or I'll ask a mod to delete my post, the above question?!!!!

Take care,

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
Dan, here's a question for you.

What does Christianity frighten so many people?


Evey
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I'm not dan
But i'll chime in.
Christianity seems painfully freudian to me.
"there there, our father will make it better" or dont do that or "our father will be fucking livid when he gets home"

Thing is, so far 'our father' hasnt made it better.
The people who are utterly convinced they have a direct line to the force that created the universe seem to think it wants us to persecute gays, hang the rosary rattlers, start wars, ignore science etc etc etc

Why can't we just be nice to each other, for the sake of being nice. Why do we need an afterlife dangled like a carrot on a stick ?
If st peter is there to judge us, then great. We spent our lives rescuing lost kittens and feeding the homeless. If i'm gunna be sent to hell for not spending my sundays singing hymns then fuck it, so be it.

PS - before you ask. No havent read the bible. But i have read lukes gospel quite a few times ( at school, my RE teacher was pretty cool )
And it seems to me that the church is nothing like jesus's teachings. All those big, fat churches, all that wealth. Its all so middle class and cosy.
If our local vicars were wide eyed mad men ranting about the evil the banks and government do I'd respect them. But theyre not, they're just trying to raise money for the roof and stop me wanking
 
raas_2012 said:
I will look at interest at your "what is real?" thread as that is a question very core to my own understanding of everything. (not much is real, besides our choices which bias good/evil and why this choice is so important and carries over to the next life) And yes you're spot on with your depiction of me, I have zero-malice but am useless with tact lol



Yes I can see my tact with you has been a bit off. Sometimes when you're over the 'net with people you don't know it's easy to blurt out your opinion without worrying about the repercussions.

Yes I did find it a bit weak initially. You were going through a bad time and said "I'd take LSD to help me"... and I thought to myself, everyone else has to face depression and come through it stronger... why should you cower off and let LSD do the work which you can do yourself? how can you develop yourself if you run to the drugs everytime trouble hits?

A legitimate argument, but yeah, maybe I was quick to make a judgement then.



Though I've never been a big psych user (meddled with cannabis and shrooms) this has been a very prevalent issue with me recently. The recent Charas has been giving me epiphanies like nothing before, I used to smoke weed frequently for years but never has it been as trippy as this. I'm not sure if it's the purity of this stuff, or my mind being more receptive to the drug due to age.

Either way, I feel the knowledge and revelations that have come from the plant, is knowledge that I would liked to have come to in my own time, in my own way, at my own will... I don't like that this development has come externally and so quickly, and I feel my own capability of mind-expansion and development is suffering for it.

Not making up shit here, just my own experience. It does intrigue me greatly, whether psych's can aid development or - in the long run - effect it negatively. It's probably the Christian in me, but I am very dubious of use.... but interested in conflicting opinions and do take them seriously
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Rass - I am going to put another perspective onto this here in respect to your argument with Scotchmist, when you suggest he is "weak," because he turned to a drug during time of depression (I missed this part) I turned to codeine during time of depression after my daughter, and dark stuff concerning her father that I cannot repeat on this website. I was lonlely constantly looking on FB at my old friends, going out clubbing, having no time for me anymore, full of anger and resentment for 5 years. Due to intense exercise I had a L5/S1 disc herniation and became addiction to codeine because it took me away from that anger, resentment, pain, heartache, misery. Was I a "weak" person for becoming addicted?

rass - I'm not going at you - and PLEASE don't think that I am doing so, but if I'm going to look at your argument I must also look at the other argument, and I use myself as an example, because that's all I know. But I want you to know it's nothing personal but for the sake of members, whom have not yet joined, and are possibly lurking, I must look at, and address both sides of the argument.

Peace to all.

Evey :) xxxx
 
bummer said:
I'm not dan
But i'll chime in.
Christianity seems painfully freudian to me.
"there there, our father will make it better" or dont do that or "our father will be fucking livid when he gets home"

Thing is, so far 'our father' hasnt made it better.
The people who are utterly convinced they have a direct line to the force that created the universe seem to think it wants us to persecute gays, hang the rosary rattlers, start wars, ignore science etc etc etc

Why can't we just be nice to each other, for the sake of being nice. Why do we need an afterlife dangled like a carrot on a stick ?
If st peter is there to judge us, then great. We spent our lives rescuing lost kittens and feeding the homeless. If i'm gunna be sent to hell for not spending my sundays singing hymns then fuck it, so be it.
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This.

 
Sammy G said:
Beards and sandals.
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Not to mention the dry crackers with no dip

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ColtDan said:
I bet its brought on reveleations that have made you doubt your faith and its upset you
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I think you do have an issue with Christianity, because you come out with these negative surmises which are completely incorrect.

Honest (to God) truth is the venture of psychedelics forced me to call upon and act out my faith - strengthening it completely.

If I understand, we are both in agreement that strong psychedelics (like DMT) act as mediators to spirits, to channel information. The revelations from the trips, are simply too staggering and too spectacular to be dismissed as chemical reactions in the brain. Like a Ouija board - we ask the spirit to control our actions - and give them various tools to play with, a board with words and letters. But summon the spirit through a substance such as a strong psychedelic, and they have far more tools to play with - they can speak in sensory perceptions such as visions and sounds - they have considerable control over your mind.

Such an occurrence happened to me on one trip. I felt the presence of a person in the room, I got worried then it started calling my name repeatedly "Hello *****, Hello ******" - at this point I knew what I was doing was wrong, and actually shouted aloud "Christ owns my heart, I take part in no mediumship". As I said that, instantaneously the high ended. I felt nothing more than a slightly spaced out after-effect, and a feeling that I shouldn't be dabbling in this sort of thing.

Taking into consideration that these psychedelics are acting as mediators for spirits who give out the epiphanies, the potentiality of danger increases tenfold.

It is known by spiritualists that the astral plane contains many disincarnate black magicians who are known to mislead. Their agendas are destruction for you, and their tactics are sly. If they give you a beautiful message on LSD, DMT or whatever, it may be a tactic to draw you in and eventually harm you.


Considering this possibility:

Shambles said:
. And in truth, the risks from psychedelic use are not so very great..
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This becomes vastly inaccurate. In fact, if you take the spiritualism ting seriously, a psychedelic could be the worst thing you ever do. The risks are tremendous.


bummer said:
Well no.
Because if it shakes your faith you blame santa.
Christian logic ;)
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There's a lot more to faith than you understand, I'd go in more detail but I'm encroaching on tl;dr territory now


Eveleivibe said:
Rass - I am going to put another perspective onto this here in respect to your argument with Scotchmist, when you suggest he is "weak," because he turned to a drug during time of depression (I missed this part) I turned to codeine during time of depression after my daughter, and dark stuff concerning her father that I cannot repeat on this website. I was lonlely constantly looking on FB at my old friends, going out clubbing, having no time for me anymore, full of anger and resentment for 5 years. Due to intense exercise I had a L5/S1 disc herniation and became addiction to codeine because it took me away from that anger, resentment, pain, heartache, misery. Was I a "weak" person for becoming addicted?

rass - I'm not going at you - and PLEASE don't think that I am doing so, but if I'm going to look at your argument I must also look at the other argument, and I use myself as an example, because that's all I know. But I want you to know it's nothing personal but for the sake of members, whom have not yet joined, and are possibly lurking, I must look at, and address both sides of the argument.

Peace to all.

Evey :) xxxx
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Evey, I know all this. I think we all here, have faced depression and drug-use at some point. You'd have to read the original discussion between me and s/mist to understand. He was trying to use LSD as a tool to find answers to his problems, it read as if he had no confidence in himself. But I have already agreed with him I was perhaps a little quick to judge and overly candid, due to the free nature of speaking to people online.
 
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OK Ouija board frighten the s*** out of me. When I was 12 someone said a girl named Sarah had done one n had gone miss.

I spent SIX months, every night anxious n frightened to my core - having stupid thoughts like "stay still and don't face the wall or rats from the black death will come n get you." Of course, I knew that they wouldn't but was anxious. I'd lie still as anything, not daring to face the wall encase "something bad happened," imagine feeling that every single night for six months. It disappeared as quickly as it came n all was calm again but I wouldn't want to repeat that experience for all the tea in china.

Another HORRIFIC experience was when I was 9. I was there, with the light on, n suddenly became paralyse n started shaking n went cold. It was the most scary thing ever. To this day, I get nights when I'm scared of that.... and one night when I was sleeping with my ex, it happened, he said I was shaking n he stopped me. Showed that I wasn't making that up.

I've also had prophetic dreams which, believe me, is NOT a gift, but a bloody curse. I've not had one in years, thank Goodness.

Anyway the board thing frightens me because anyone that has to endure six months of fear like that would know but no one understand how horrific that fear was n all that happened was someone mentioned a Sarah going missing after a outjie board n I had to study the black dead in history. Ugh!

Evey

PS for years I could not mention the words black magic or touch wood encase something bad happened, I had to say TW; from 1997-2003 had some major obsession with TW.
 
Eveleivibe said:
I've also had prophetic dreams which, believe me, is NOT a gift, but a bloody curse. I've not had one in years, thank Goodness.
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Same HERE. Except I still get them and have done for about 10 years. I thought it was a gift at first, but it turned into far more of a curse. So I have prayed to God a billion times to end these, prayed nicely, angrily and everything... but still have to put up with them.

Disclosure: raas is more cursed by God, than blessed. As a medium I obviously believe in it all, but do not have a good relationship with God at all.
 
Raas - this is an open forum. I comment on what is written TODAY not by reading back on a load of archives. I've no time for that. Besides. I was trying to defend you as you were getting a bit of stick.

Note to self.... must read a person's whole posts before commenting in future!!!!

Bows. Sorry Mr raas I humbly solute and apologise!

Evey
 
Eveleivibe;12274831 Another HORRIFIC experience was when I was 9. I was there said:
Sleep paralysis

As for prophetic dreams, you n raas.
I had a very vivid dream come true. Lots of very specific details came true. It played on my mind for years. I took it as evidence as something paranormal having happened to me and was one of things that helped shape my view of reality.

But, reading Paranormality by R Wiseman completely changed how I see it. He says, and I think he is right, that we have 1000s of dreams in our lives. If anything it would be strange if none of them came true.
Dreaming about a 3 legged dog is not significant. But if later that morning we see a three legged dog it's like a bomb going off in the mind. But its just coincidence. We would've also dreamed about a 100 other things.
Add to that how fallible our memories are, especially when it comes to dreams, a bit of conformation bias, and also the fact that we can influence our dreams with the thoughts we have before we nod off and you have a recipe for self deception.

Another though has crossed my mind

If information from the astral via DMT is not to be trusted then why trust dreams ?

Is it case of trusting what confirms your beliefs and disregarding what challenges them ?

PS - Some common ground here
IF ( and its a big IF ) there is a spiritual plane we can access via drugs then Ive often thought that Salvia has shown me the 'lower astral'
To me the 'lower' means, natural, unforgiving and simple, like the way plants may experience consciousness, rather than 'evil'

PPS - not giving you a hard time just to be a dick, I like this kinda chit chat sometimes. Feel free to tell me to STFU
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raas_2012 said:
This becomes vastly inaccurate. In fact, if you take the spiritualism ting seriously, a psychedelic could be the worst thing you ever do. The risks are tremendous.
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As I said, there is more than one way to interpret the psychedelic experience. Not everybody interprets it as having paranormal or supernatural aspects. I know that is the popular image and many psychedelic users to subscribe to beliefs along those lines. Personally I'm somewhat open-minded. Perhaps more so than I used to be. My instinct say no to paranormal or supernatural involvement. My experiences make me quite understand why people do interpret it that way. I think I'll have to do a bit more practical research to come to any firm decisions ;)
 
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