MDMA has ties to theology, philosophy and the Bible

[Crystal Alchemist]

Right dude I appreciate your logical input on the theory. But here I'll suggest a different hypothesis. Could you exclude the possibility of MDMA being a once natural reoccurring substance? I haven't found evidence saying it was, but you can't exclude the possibility. The focal point of this theory is to find out. If you study the mythology and philosophy of this mystical substance often referred to the elixir of life it was mentioned once being a natural reoccurring substance until it disappeared. Over the years a lot of alchemy was directed in attempting re-creating such.

The elixir was to prolong life, not see god. Becoming an immortal, like a greek god would be the closer stretch I could see. The philosphers stone was to transmute metals, which was the other goal, which some thought to be one and the same with the elixir, turning blood into gold (Which I'm sure would have been to no avail). But alchemy itself would be a more appropriate search for god than the elixir of life.

MDMA is a complex molecule as well, and the way it's created is not easily replicated in plants or animals, even if far more complex ones are. I doubt it would have been created somewhere easily accessible to man, as of yet we've not found a naturally occurring source; I would imagine things are examined quite thoroughly for potential disease treatment and other pharmacological needs.

Even had it been, I feel as though things like the Soma, and ritualistic psychedelic use would have out shined such an extremely rare chemical. MDMA is an empathogen, but certainly is no entheogen.

MDMA is psychoactive, true, but this includes anything that affects the central nervous system, which includes all manner of drug, including the most widespread ones, such as nicotine, alcohol & opium. It would also make the above, cannabis, and all the other psychedelic plants eligible for the title.

 

[Folley]

Right dude I appreciate your logical input on the theory. But here I'll suggest a different hypothesis. Could you exclude the possibility of MDMA being a once natural reoccurring substance? I haven't found evidence saying it was, but you can't exclude the possibility. The focal point of this theory is to find out. If you study the mythology and philosophy of this mystical substance often referred to the elixir of life it was mentioned once being a natural reoccurring substance until it disappeared. Over the years a lot of alchemy was directed in attempting re-creating such.

The burden of proof is not on us, you're the one bringing this "theory" to the table.. you need to prove it. Just because we can't DISprove it doesn't mean anything other than there is absolutely NO evidence to support an argument either way.

 

[moke]

The elixir was to prolong life, not see god. Becoming an immortal, like a greek god would be the closer stretch I could see. The philosphers stone was to transmute metals, which was the other goal, which some thought to be one and the same with the elixir, turning blood into gold (Which I'm sure would have been to no avail). But alchemy itself would be a more appropriate search for god than the elixir of life.

MDMA is a complex molecule as well, and the way it's created is not easily replicated in plants or animals, even if far more complex ones are. I doubt it would have been created somewhere easily accessible to man, as of yet we've not found a naturally occurring source; I would imagine things are examined quite thoroughly for potential disease treatment and other pharmacological needs.

Even had it been, I feel as though things like the Soma, and ritualistic psychedelic use would have out shined such an extremely rare chemical. MDMA is an empathogen, but certainly is no entheogen.

MDMA is psychoactive, true, but this includes anything that affects the central nervous system, which includes all manner of drug, including the most widespread ones, such as nicotine, alcohol & opium. It would also make the above, cannabis, and all the other psychedelic plants eligible for the title.

Thanks for your input. And yes whats talked about in mythology describes more of a immortal and supernatural substance, but what are the chances of something to that degree really ever existed. Maybe more along of idea of a substance portraying the window of eternity. I find it peculiar when these ancient substances are looked at they relate it to the manna from heaven. Manna never brought immortality but sustainment and the open window to what heaven looked like on earth. Funny Alexander Shulgin originally gave mdma the name window. Rolling on pure mdma really seems to open a window of heavenly bliss and what total peace on earth should feel like. just my 2 cents

 

[Brendles]

Essentially it is with my utmost discretion and belief that I have reason to believe that MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine) often known as the street drug "ecstasy" or "Molly" and often referred to "moon rocks" in its purest form resembles the substance spoken in ancient mythology and in the bible in the book of Exodus. I will go ahead and share the direct source where i'm getting some of my information from. I truly believe there is a substance that has returned to this earth that is purifying the minds of the people and restoring peace. I have been seeing it with my own eyes for sometime now.

BAHHHHHHAhahahahahahahahhahahaaaaaahhhh oh my god. Thanks for the laugh! you.... ya.... you're just, so utterly completely, resoundingly wrong. There's no possible way that there existed biblical era empathogens. But omg, of all the things to read today, lmfao, literally crying. Thank you so much dude. Amen.

 

[BlueBull]

BAHHHHHHAhahahahahahahahhahahaaaaaahhhh oh my god. Thanks for the laugh! you.... ya.... you're just, so utterly completely, resoundingly wrong. There's no possible way that there existed biblical era empathogens. But omg, of all the things to read today, lmfao, literally crying. Thank you so much dude. Amen.

That's a bit narrow. There could've been (naturally occurring) biblical empathogens and though that is very very unlikely it is not impossible. But never MDMA though, the synthesis is just too advanced for those days

@OP: I think your hypothesis has no basis because it is merely a personal interpretation of part of a book that lends itself extremely well to wild interpretations. I could come up with 5 interpretations of manna that sound just as likely and are completely different from yours. But it is an interesting train of thought though. Even though I don't agree purely because I think you are reaching I think out-of-the-box thinking can only be applauded and makes for very interesting bonfire-conversations

 

[Brendles]

yeah i meant that. Soma existed plenty back then,

OH.

but speaking of theology and drug-usage.....
I had a teacher in high school who had this interesting theory that the hyped fervor of the Salem witch trials had to do with the rye fungus plague that had befallen them along the same time, and that rye fungus was ergot..... so they're all eating this mold, breakfast lunch and dinner and then trying to be sane.

 

[Dlucia711]

How do we know what we even know about history? Most of our history was destroyed in library of Alexandria. living on earth is an omni-event. There is no way to record history from everyones point of view, comes with one person to the next but not everyone. We "you and i" don't have a real damn clue to as what happened on this earth for the past and very minuscule 10,000 years. We will never truly know anything.