Things you work on during your trip

[goldenhour]

It seems to just take a psychedelic and watch the visuals like watching TV is missing a timely opportunity. I like them cause they bring the core out in me which is loving and intelligent. Interacting with others can be awkward or rewarding. But the one thing that I've never put my finger on is how to work on myself or do some lasting introspection that I can integrate into my everyday life.
I would like to hear from other psychonauts how they do positive internal work while tripping.
I know it can be done, look at Stanislav Grof. He has a person trip(lsd) for 4 hours just enjoying the high. Then the interpersonal work begins. Around 9-10 hours he has "some interesting food with smells and textures brought in" like chinese food. The person stays at the retreat overnight with either a loved one coming to spend the night with them or picking them up the next day. Then bye, bye.
When I tryed to talk understand problems between my wife and I while I was tripping and she was straight it led into a room full of mirrors and dead ends. And just thinking about myself can become a merry go round with no exit. So it usually comes down to just trying to have fun, laugh and enjoy the moment. But I know there is more to be gleaned.

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

Getting in touch with god, nature, self. Ego loss, expanding consciousness. Expanding knowledge, Creativity. I feel taking psychs just to get high can be destructive behavior. Always have to have a goal.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Go for a walk. Go to the beach and enjoy the sun and the ocean. Have some great sex with my significant other. See the beauty in everyday things. Enjoy the experience. That or do combo's like K and a psychedelic and lay on my bed and enjoy the amazing OEV's. Great at night looking over the city lights as well just chilling and enjoying the experience. If you want to think deep and meaningful thoughts or get all new age and mystical go for it.

I really enjoy painting large canvases while on dissociatives and or psychedelics. When you look at the works after they are complete and high on a dissociative or psychedelic you see the movement and texture built up in layers of various types of paints such as oils, acrylic, enamel and the contrast between them. I also use impasto medium to richly texture the work. All performed while under the influence of these substances. There is an image in the Aus DD ketamine thread I painted of a dog while using MXE and K for a week while I painted it.

I also enjoy cooking (ex chef) while on psychedelics. Food is enhanced as is smell. I have no problem eating. What is to be gleaned this: appreciate life, appreciate what you have. Don't over analyse things. Enjoying the moment and the company of your partner is one of the most rewarding experiences in anyone's life. Utilizing the unique visual perspective to create art is also rewarding as is just taking in the world around you and appreciating it. Slow down enjoy the moment don't try and confront issues it'll just make the experience more difficult or emotional.

 

[phuckingnutz]

Getting in touch with god, nature, self. Ego loss, expanding consciousness. Expanding knowledge, Creativity. I feel taking psychs just to get high can be destructive behavior. Always have to have a goal.

What if the goal IS "just to get high"?....
Psychedelics CAN be useful tools...they have helped me in dozens of ways in most aspects of my life, but if they hadn't been "fun" or gotten me "high", I'd never have done them in the FIRST place.
So, even if your goal is only to "get high" you'll, more than likely, get some good done in spite of yourself.
Don't make tripping a "chore", have fun with it, without a specific goal in mind...THAT is when the healing begins...when you aren't LOOKING for it...IMHO.

 

[goldenhour]

Great replies with substance. As one of you said about if it didn't feel good you wouldn't have done it again. How true. On that I thought of procreation and it's many layers.

 

[tryptamine-tripper]

The ability to have truly introspective & profound trips with lasting impact is something that's learned by taking many trips, and allowing the psychedelics to "break in" your mind, so to speak. I've only fully gained this ability fairly recently- there were always elements of it, even the first time I tripped as a 16 year old dumbass with no respect for my body or understanding of responsibility, I just had a lot of barriers in my mind I needed to break down in order to learn to "go all the way".

Of course, you also need to guide your experience in this direction- just keep moving towards those deep thoughts while you trip, and you'll get better at going deeper with them. I also find it useful to trip alone, in a relaxed atmosphere, only sensory input being music + the world around you- and don't always go for "fun" music, go for music that gets you thinking, or music that's profoundly emotional, or has a lot of depth in some other way. What your listening to has a heavy impact on where your trip goes.

What's probably most important, though, is learning to let go of any fear/anxiety first of all, and, as McKenna said, learning not to give in to astonishment even, as that state of "holy shit what the fuck is happening" holds you back as well. It's also important not to UNDERdose- light doses of psychedelics really don't help you with anything, they just make you feel good like any other drug, they don't even offer a full trip, and I'd say are a waste o the drugs potential. That said, keep in mind that many, if not most, are unable to handle extreme psychedelic states, and as well that not just any psychedelic can be taken super far- many of the more stimulating ones are physically dangerous to dose too high with, but "classics" like LSD or 4-AcO-xxx/4-HO-xxx can safely be taken to extreme levels- IF you are able to handle it mentally, that is, otherwise, you won't die, but could severely fuck with your mind in a bad way.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Psychedelics are really truly are different for everyone, everyone has different ways of experiencing these drugs. Some ways of experiencing PDs are better than others, yet paradoxically, and ultimately there is no such thing as one trip, or type of trip being "better" than another. And the other thing is that everyone, to varying degrees, believes you should trip the same way they do, including me.

For instance, tryptamine-tripper says it's important not to underdose "light doses don't really help with anything". This is certainly true for him/her, and will also be true for very many people, but it's not true for me, or many other people. I've gained as much from an experience on 1/4 tab of LSD as a separate experience on 4 tabs of the same LSD. I find that with many psychedelics, all of the different dose levels offer up something different.

Then take phuckingnutz, who says "Don't make tripping a chore" by setting intention. Yet lots of people will tell you "Thou must set an intention before Thine trip". I tend to side with phuckingnutz on this, that it can be a bit contrived and rigid to set an intentional trip. But then again, why not? Probably lots of people have managed to use psychedelics as a very effective tool to work on some psychological matter etc.

The more I trip and talk to other people, the more I realize there's a million ways to experience the psychedelics, and that aside from really self abusive drug taking behaviour, most of them have value. But if we go about saying "everything is valid" that doesn't leave much to talk about does it?

Perpetualdawns list of Things to Work on During Trips:
-appreciation of nature, music, art, dance
-physical feats of balance, endurance, agility, strength
-holding a sensible conversation whilst tripping balls
-pranks, shits, and giggles
-figuring out your love life
-contemplating the divine, purpose and potential in life
-learning about science

 

[goldenhour]

Watching a video about ayahuasca use in the rain forests a white man asked one of the curanados or leaders why use it if going through the experience is so difficult. The leader said what journey is worth while if getting there does not have difficulties. Is one of my mantras now when the going gets tough.

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

What if the goal IS "just to get high"?....
Psychedelics CAN be useful tools...they have helped me in dozens of ways in most aspects of my life, but if they hadn't been "fun" or gotten me "high", I'd never have done them in the FIRST place.
So, even if your goal is only to "get high" you'll, more than likely, get some good done in spite of yourself.
Don't make tripping a "chore", have fun with it, without a specific goal in mind...THAT is when the healing begins...when you aren't LOOKING for it...IMHO.

This is actually pretty true. I can relate. I was suffering from depression when I started to take shrroms for no reason when I really started to make progress. I just know of teenagers who took acid and shrroms to see things and lead miserable lives now. Although I've always sought SOMETHING going into a trip.

 

[phuckingnutz]

This is actually pretty true. I can relate. I was suffering from depression when I started to take shrroms for no reason when I really started to make progress. I just know of teenagers who took acid and shrroms to see things and lead miserable lives now. Although I've always sought SOMETHING going into a trip.

I agree, EVERYONE seeks SOMETHING going into a trip...even if that "something" is to just "get HIGH"...

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

I agree, EVERYONE seeks SOMETHING going into a trip...even if that "something" is to just "get HIGH"...

Something more. I think you need to work on this. Maybe try not and be a douche.

 

[phuckingnutz]

Something more. I think you need to work on this. Maybe try not and be a douche.

???....HUH...???
You must be TRIPPIN' man.
Where in that post you thought I was trying to be douche is beyond me.
If I was TRYING to be a douche, i'da said something like: " blah blah blah blah! blah BLAH, Blah blablablablah!" However, I didn't say anything even remotely LIKE that you prissy little fucker...I was ACTUALLY AGREEING with you.....!!!

 

[《Plasticity》]

For me, if I'm gonna do "internal work" I've gotta be alone, NO friends! Typically my trips take place in the evening into the night (I find that visuals typically manifest themselves in the night better than the day time though some may disagree). Anyways, my tool of choice for serious introspection is high dose LSD, minimum of 3-4 med/high dose blotters and I'll just cover all the windows in my room, turn of all lights besides maybe a dim nightlight, play some weird music like sphongle or some other tribal style ambient music, lay down, and from here on while I wait for the trip to pick up I typically cycle between watching the pretty visuals in the dark, maybe make a few attempts to get any "entities" to make themselves known though I've never gotten past a "sense" of something lurking in the shadows.

If anyone hasn't tried, I strongly reccomend trying at least one trip in a pitch black room with maybe a small.amount of light, this can bring the visuals to the point where they are fully engulfing and even create landscapes. For example, during a high dose mushroom/Metocin combo my room became a jungle of fully 3d landscapes with faces peaking through the dark etc... good shit but not for the faint of heart. Another time on L I would cover myself under the blankets and I saw the landscape of the desert and the whole trip had an "egyptian" style theme with what looked like hyroglyphs and some type of alien style writing around my walls. I rarely get visuals this engulfing in the daylight, ymmv.

After I try and extract some fun during the first 1/3rd of the trip the rest is spent lying on my back with a pillow over my face digging into my subconcious and exploring the CEV's. This process takes up a good 3-4 hours (the peak) and in that 3-4 hours I can get some serious work done and walk out of it with a fresh outlook on life, not gonna lie though... these heavy trips are NOT fun if my lifes priorities aren't in order but that's the whole point of having a heavy experience right?

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

???....HUH...???
You must be TRIPPIN' man.
Where in that post you thought I was trying to be douche is beyond me.
If I was TRYING to be a douche, i'da said something like: " blah blah blah blah! blah BLAH, Blah blablablablah!" However, I didn't say anything even remotely LIKE that you prissy little fucker...I was ACTUALLY AGREEING with you.....!!!

Sorry I misunderstand the way you capitalized your words. Your post came off as "sarcastic" in my mind. Yeah I was trippin a little.
One of the many things I dislike about the internet. Tone of voice is hard to interpret. Peace brother.

 

[phuckingnutz]

Alone in the dark or outside at night is how I trip 90% of the time...less "real world" distractions. DMT comprises almost all of my psychedelics at the present time and it doesn't really "work" in a group setting, However, Ayahuasca is the exception to that.

CEV's are also, for me, one of the best ways to travel, I can "transport" much more easily with eyes closed in dead silence.

Ayahuasca notwithstanding, DMT is one of the least therapeutic of the tryptamines, mainly, I believe, due to its brevity.
Which is why I like to do an IM dose when I really want to explore the space between the spaces...especially the spaces inside my head....

 

[phuckingnutz]

Sorry I misunderstand the way you capitalized your words. Your post came off as "sarcastic" in my mind. Yeah I was trippin a little.
One of the many things I dislike about the internet. Tone of voice is hard to interpret. Peace brother.

All good brother...peace

 

[perpetualdawn]

awww so much internet luv here

 

[Yellow-Pudding]

i've had psychedelic experiences from ecstasy, ketamine and marijuana but my 1st shroom trip was a disaster as i took it to get high.

During my trip, i thought i was dying so i prayed to Buddha to take me away. i tried to mediate and listening to "relaxation" music on sky fm but the music was like the heaven music. my 2nd and 3rd shroom trip was manageable as i worked on my mediation and Buddhism. to me, it's not a party drug because it is a powerful mind drug best to use in comfortable mindset/environment.

 

[SummaThatGoodShit]

Psychedelics are really truly are different for everyone, everyone has different ways of experiencing these drugs. Some ways of experiencing PDs are better than others, yet paradoxically, and ultimately there is no such thing as one trip, or type of trip being "better" than another. And the other thing is that everyone, to varying degrees, believes you should trip the same way they do, including me.

Excellent. Very, very true. People do not only use drugs for different reasons, but they trip in different ways as well. I have seen people use PDs at a very low point in their lives, and take something away from the trip that played a very significant role in their reclamation of peace. On the flip side, I've seen (and heard of, far too often) folks take PDs in a great setting, with great people, and get rocked with a serious reality they had not perceived before, or whatever.

I've known people who discontinued their use of LSD because every time they would trip, they would "just think about all the shit they didn't like about themselves".....
To each their own, i suppose, but I think PD's ability to show us and encourage us to work through and learn more about our shortcomings is part of the beauty of the whole experience.
If all you wish to do is have a jolly time with some cool tracers and a touch o' color, that's fine I suppose, but i believe it is somewhat a waste of such a potentially impactful and wonderful substance.

Psychedelics in my mind, are NOT ALWAYS FUN. Sometimes they are upsetting and hurtful, jarring or painfully revealing. Sometimes just plain scary.8(

But they force us (for better or for worse) to view things differently, and express emotion to ourselves. We cannot hide from ourselves while in the trip-scape.They demand awareness, one way or another.

They allow us to stroke our egos, then obliterate them entrely.

Fuck Yeah.

Also, since you asked...
I usually put on some motivational or otherwise thought-provoking music, and train kung-fu for hours. I also meditate and have tried to develop psychokinetic abilities (with meager but nonetheless existent success)
The aforementioned classic pitch-black room with one small light source is excellent.
Plus I'll chill in my hammock with a blanket and just trip balls on CEVs...

Also I'm totally on the "heavy doses while lone-tripping" crew.
50mg of 4-ACO-DMT is just aboot my choice dose for serious mental work while im alone.

Thx for reminding me why I do drugs, OP. You're the man.

 

[attempt4]

This thread is great. When I was alot younger I had such a strong connection to my inner self, I felt guided by my intuition and things went inexplicably well with the least effort and most grace! Now, after years of developing addictive qualities, abusing destructive drugs and feeding my ego with constant alcohol/stims/opiate abuse I have lost touch with it.

I know it's still in there, I can feel it bubbling and ready to come out! I've had a San Pedro cactus that I've had by my side, growing up along with me for the last 8 or 9 years. Me and St.Peter have tripped together and meditated with one another, but I've never consumed him. I'm feeling him call me.....I think the time is right This summer, I'm going to eat 26 inches and gain some introspection. Whilst I know mescaline is not the most confrontational, in-your-face psychedelic I do feel it has alot to to offer.

...Imagine we are all going to a great, infallibly brilliant concert, but some of us take the train, some walk and some drive. The weed-smokers are walking, and yeah they should get there in the end. We all will, however most of us stay at home and blanket our perceptions with "reality" television, unaware this effort of brilliance is even about to show - we act ignorant to it's inevitability! Oh it will happen, whether we are there or not! Unfortunately the stoners can only walk so far, and not quite reach it. Then there are those who take the speed-train. They are the DMT-smokers. They shoot past the venue, and fuck do they catch a glimpse of the most beautiful show they've ever seen but it doesn't retain in their memory too well. It's just too quick and they can't make the stop! Damn....
Those who drive are the Ayahuasca/Mushroom/LSD (matter of opinion) takers who eventually reach their destination with grace, time and acuity, take it all in, marvel at it's beauty and come home knowing they just witnessed something not only beautiful, but something to remember...

Basically, aside from my insinuations that the start of death/end of life/whatever your disposition dictates is much the same as the psychedelic headspace in many regards, I believe in turn that the psychedelic headspace is much and such the same no matter the modus operandi of reaching it. Some methods simply make more sense to some people. I personally feel the Mushroom is my Healer, my Teacher, my Divine Ally.
LSD, for me, was never more than recreation though I can obviously see why it's utility should be worshipped, since it's got the potential and is more forgiving and aesthetic than Mushrooms which tend to be less forgiving and more introspective, IMO YMMV and any other acronyms that'll save me from a torrent of opinionated abuse! Hehe, jokey jokey.

Cool thread