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Enix150
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Cegli that pdf you posted earlier says MXE should change from Yellow > Green > Red, I've wondered if different isomers might affect the reagent differently?
Very interesting. Also interesting is that some of the results don't match with the original Dutch article (and I can't figure out how to register so I can edit it).
It's supposed to be! Methylone is bright yellow according to the only gc/ms-confirmed samples I have seen, but it would appear that DanceSafe, EZ Test, DHP, D-F, and the Nexus all have similar results, so either everyone is mixed up.. or the DEA is. Though to be fair, I haven't used EZ's modified Mecke yet.
EDIT: I'm just going to add Erowid's list of reactions for further comparison.
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Ekstasis-//7
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This has been covered elsewhere the EzTest for Piperazines is rubbish! A bluelighter has already posted the reactions using this kit of piperzines and compared the reaction to MDMA. From memory they both looked a yellow but the problem was they were only a slight shade of difference. The conclusion of that bluelighter was that the kit could not tell MDxx apart from piperazines using that test therefore the test it rubbish!
Jabbawaya
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Have had a forgotten bag of powder labeled "PD" lying around for a few years and decided to test it. I vaguely remember the vendor telling me it was Pentedrone.
Appearance: white powder with a slight pink hue and fluffy
Marquis reagent: fizzes with no color change
Mecke reagent: fizzes with hint of light yellow, evolves smoke, color disappears
Mandelin reagent: fizzes and immediately turns blood red/orange; produces some smoke
Simon reagent: rapidly turns a deep blue
If you go to the first post in this thread and look at the photos, the results look just like the Marquis, Mecke, and Simons reaction for Buphedrone (same chemical as Pentedrone except alpha-ethyl instead of alpha-propyl) and the Mandelin reaction looks just like the red-orange in MDPV or Ephedrine.
Based on test results of similar structures and my fuzzy memory I believe this to be Pentedrone (or maybe ephedrine based on test results), however I can't confirm it because, to my knowledge, this is the first report of anyone testing Pentedrone and I have no reference. If you have other information, please share. Would love to hear opinions about this identification.
Appearance: white powder with a slight pink hue and fluffy
Marquis reagent: fizzes with no color change
Mecke reagent: fizzes with hint of light yellow, evolves smoke, color disappears
Mandelin reagent: fizzes and immediately turns blood red/orange; produces some smoke
Simon reagent: rapidly turns a deep blue
If you go to the first post in this thread and look at the photos, the results look just like the Marquis, Mecke, and Simons reaction for Buphedrone (same chemical as Pentedrone except alpha-ethyl instead of alpha-propyl) and the Mandelin reaction looks just like the red-orange in MDPV or Ephedrine.
Based on test results of similar structures and my fuzzy memory I believe this to be Pentedrone (or maybe ephedrine based on test results), however I can't confirm it because, to my knowledge, this is the first report of anyone testing Pentedrone and I have no reference. If you have other information, please share. Would love to hear opinions about this identification.
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Papageorgeyo
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How expensive are these testing kits? And are they available to the public?
Need help possibly identifying these tests I ran.
First let me tell you what happened. I ordered some MXE at some point and som 25i-NBOMe and some (either one 2C-E or 2C-I...I believe it was 2C-E I ordered since I already had 25i-NBOMe).
So I took out my some of my items to check on them and test them.
I noticed that there was a white powder, in a package that was meant to have had MXE in it...imo by looks, it was too soft a powder to be MXE. I also found a bag labeled 25i-NBOMe , this powder looked a bit granular like I remember MXE to be that I had from the source.
So im here....I grabbed a sample I had of MXE, tested perfectly to what it should.
So I grabbed the bag that was labeled 25i-NBOMe I thought could be MXE instead of 25i-NBOMe since it was kind of granular, i had high hopes.
Than I grabbed the bag that was in the folder that I thought stored MXE I had, this was the very powdery item that I thought by looks wasnt MXE.
So I tested them, the control mxe (which is perfect), than beside it in the picture is the granular powder that was labeled 25i-NBOMe, but because it was granular I hoped that it would match the mxe results. It didnt.
Third and Fourth test on the bottom, was the very powdery substance that was in the MXE folder. Neither showed it to be MXE.
---Now why it could be 2C-E, I ordered some around the same time, it may be 2C-I that I ordered ,but I dont think I wouldve since I had 25i-NBOMe.
Here are my results using Marquise.
Any Help Identifying this is helpful.
First let me tell you what happened. I ordered some MXE at some point and som 25i-NBOMe and some (either one 2C-E or 2C-I...I believe it was 2C-E I ordered since I already had 25i-NBOMe).
So I took out my some of my items to check on them and test them.
I noticed that there was a white powder, in a package that was meant to have had MXE in it...imo by looks, it was too soft a powder to be MXE. I also found a bag labeled 25i-NBOMe , this powder looked a bit granular like I remember MXE to be that I had from the source.
So im here....I grabbed a sample I had of MXE, tested perfectly to what it should.
So I grabbed the bag that was labeled 25i-NBOMe I thought could be MXE instead of 25i-NBOMe since it was kind of granular, i had high hopes.
Than I grabbed the bag that was in the folder that I thought stored MXE I had, this was the very powdery item that I thought by looks wasnt MXE.
So I tested them, the control mxe (which is perfect), than beside it in the picture is the granular powder that was labeled 25i-NBOMe, but because it was granular I hoped that it would match the mxe results. It didnt.
Third and Fourth test on the bottom, was the very powdery substance that was in the MXE folder. Neither showed it to be MXE.
---Now why it could be 2C-E, I ordered some around the same time, it may be 2C-I that I ordered ,but I dont think I wouldve since I had 25i-NBOMe.
Here are my results using Marquise.
Any Help Identifying this is helpful.
blauwlicht
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satya
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I'm here to inquire about whether anyone has tested 3-Meo-PCP? I tested three batches yesterday with Mecke, Marquis, Mandelin, and Simons, and one batch did not match up with the others at all. I would like to see someone's pics or at least read about what results were obtained.
Here's my results, I'll load my pics in a little bit, but honestly the lighting was terrible and they don't really reflect the colors I was seeing:
The two batches that tested the same tested as follows:
Mecke: immediate change to slight yellow, getting darker over the next few minutes, settling to an yellow/ orange with brown tints
Marquis: bubbled slightly, turned light blue/ periwinkle over 30 seconds, darkening over the next few minutes, settling on a nearly navy color
Mandelin: changed orange, over the next few minutes changed to brown with greenish tints, and had very defined edges (which I thought was slightly odd)
Simons: no reaction
The odd one out:
Mecke: yellow, changing to yellow with green - completely different from the other two.
Marquis: bubbled slightly, turned light pink darkening to salmon over five minutes
Mandelin: very faint faint brown, darkening a bit over the next few minutes to brown with green tints, but not nearly as dark as the other two.
Simons: no reaction
A little background: the reagents are a few months old. The oddball batch of 3-Meo-PCP is rather old, from last summer, I believe, and that vendor is now defunct so I can't inquire as to why it might be testing weird; this batch was my first, and my golden standard for the chem. Stuff was phenomenal. The other two batches were purchased more recently, one around the holidays, and one very recently, and neither have been worked with much. If anyone has insight as to what might be going on with that oddball batch, I'd much appreciate your input.
Here's my results, I'll load my pics in a little bit, but honestly the lighting was terrible and they don't really reflect the colors I was seeing:
The two batches that tested the same tested as follows:
Mecke: immediate change to slight yellow, getting darker over the next few minutes, settling to an yellow/ orange with brown tints
Marquis: bubbled slightly, turned light blue/ periwinkle over 30 seconds, darkening over the next few minutes, settling on a nearly navy color
Mandelin: changed orange, over the next few minutes changed to brown with greenish tints, and had very defined edges (which I thought was slightly odd)
Simons: no reaction
The odd one out:
Mecke: yellow, changing to yellow with green - completely different from the other two.
Marquis: bubbled slightly, turned light pink darkening to salmon over five minutes
Mandelin: very faint faint brown, darkening a bit over the next few minutes to brown with green tints, but not nearly as dark as the other two.
Simons: no reaction
A little background: the reagents are a few months old. The oddball batch of 3-Meo-PCP is rather old, from last summer, I believe, and that vendor is now defunct so I can't inquire as to why it might be testing weird; this batch was my first, and my golden standard for the chem. Stuff was phenomenal. The other two batches were purchased more recently, one around the holidays, and one very recently, and neither have been worked with much. If anyone has insight as to what might be going on with that oddball batch, I'd much appreciate your input.
Poelster
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http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php/Marquis_Reagent_(English_Version)
On that link you'll find a result for 3-MeO-PCP for the Marquis test, and it matches your description of the two batches, but perhaps compare your results with their photo.
But you only need a slight impurity to change to colour reaction, especially since 3-MeO-PCP colours so weak by it's self! So it will be difficult to draw any serious conclusions from this result.
On that link you'll find a result for 3-MeO-PCP for the Marquis test, and it matches your description of the two batches, but perhaps compare your results with their photo.
But you only need a slight impurity to change to colour reaction, especially since 3-MeO-PCP colours so weak by it's self! So it will be difficult to draw any serious conclusions from this result.
satya
Bluelighter
I forgot about that link. Thank you, Poelster, that was very helpful. Yes, the two batches that tested the same looked just like that.
Is there a page like that for Mecke or Mandelin? I didn't see any links on that page.
I just thought of something, though: the batch testing differently was supposedly HBr, I'm not sure if the other two might have been HCl. I'll have to double check. Could that change the results so drastically? And looking over those results, the first batch turned a color that strongly resembles that for 2-Meo-Ketamine. Unfortunately, I don't have a batch of that to test against, but I do think I'll run another test on that first batch next week anyway, just to confirm that it wasn't a fluke. And I'll see if I can get some better lighting or a better camera.
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uncle_bud
Bluelighter
Here are my results from testing 3-meo-PCP with marquis and mandelin. There was no real reaction with both of them. Just a small yellow tinge but i presume it was from contamination or synthesis byproduct. Sample was also submitted for GC/MS so i will update you when i get the results.
LAB RESULTS: the supposed 3-meo-pcp is in fact ethylphenidate!!!
color reaction is likely due to impurities
LAB RESULTS: the supposed 3-meo-pcp is in fact ethylphenidate!!!
color reaction is likely due to impurities
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Ekstasis-//7
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Recently I was asked to reagent test some unknown substance sold as 2C-B. Since it seems beta-keto-2C-B (bk-2C-B) is commonly sold by a number of research chemical suppliers and legal high shops, I have decided to post info about bk-2C-B so you can identify it when compared to regular 2C-B.
bk-2C-B
Mecke: bright red to ruby to dark rust
As reported by neurosoup.com.
Marquis: bright orange
As reported in this pic by King Kong:
Goes purple in tap water and slowly pink in saturated solution of sodium bi-carb. Likely this is from an imine formation.
As reported by Transform in this picture:
Note that he showed this reaction as least in a small amount of time being reversable by adding some vingar to the purple water solution to make it go back to clear and dry clear.
Other worthwhile notes:
Dose is much higher than regular 2C-B. People often report 80-200mg with bk-2C-B sometimes even up to 300mg but this does seem like an very large dose.
Duration is longer than standard 2C-B. With bk-2C-B people report 10-12hr duration from the smaller dose range 50-120mg. Sometimes people report doses of 200-300mg having very large duration of 24-48hrs. Although some reports are for multiple dosages it seems the majority are likely for a single dose. Caution is advised in larger dosages for duration can be very long.
Dosages for the same person and batch have been reported to be variable in effects. Other than an emtpy stomach having a quicker come on vs. full stomach taking up to 4hrs there is other possibillities here. Maybe the purple reaction seen above from a possible imine formation (and loss of potentcey) is happening before reaching the stomach if it was say dissolved in water and drank as opposed to taken in capsules or with some lemon juice.
bk-2C-B
Mecke: bright red to ruby to dark rust
As reported by neurosoup.com.
Marquis: bright orange
As reported in this pic by King Kong:
Goes purple in tap water and slowly pink in saturated solution of sodium bi-carb. Likely this is from an imine formation.
As reported by Transform in this picture:
Note that he showed this reaction as least in a small amount of time being reversable by adding some vingar to the purple water solution to make it go back to clear and dry clear.
Other worthwhile notes:
Dose is much higher than regular 2C-B. People often report 80-200mg with bk-2C-B sometimes even up to 300mg but this does seem like an very large dose.
Duration is longer than standard 2C-B. With bk-2C-B people report 10-12hr duration from the smaller dose range 50-120mg. Sometimes people report doses of 200-300mg having very large duration of 24-48hrs. Although some reports are for multiple dosages it seems the majority are likely for a single dose. Caution is advised in larger dosages for duration can be very long.
Dosages for the same person and batch have been reported to be variable in effects. Other than an emtpy stomach having a quicker come on vs. full stomach taking up to 4hrs there is other possibillities here. Maybe the purple reaction seen above from a possible imine formation (and loss of potentcey) is happening before reaching the stomach if it was say dissolved in water and drank as opposed to taken in capsules or with some lemon juice.
uncle_bud
Bluelighter
Reactions with fresh marquis reagent. Special thanks to a vendor that provided all the samples for free knowing that they will be tested. All of the samples were submitted for GC/MS analysis so when i get the results i will post them so the following color reactions can be verified. Have fun
UPDATE: All the substances have been verified via GC/MS and are confirmed.
2C-C: lime
2C-D:transparent yellow
2C-E: yellowy green? something
Pentylone bk-BMDP: solid yellow
Etylone bk-MDEA: dark/dirty yellow
Methylone bk-MDMA: solid yellow
Pentedrone:no color reaction, bubbles
4-MEC: no color reaction, bubbles
3-FMC: no color reaction, bubbles
a-PVP:no color reaction, bubbles
2-FA: starts transparent, then reddish orange
(i was informed by the lab that their reaction gave no color, so i might contaminted some part and it gave a false reaction)
4-FA: no color reaction
Ethcathinone: no color reaction, bubbles
6-APB: violet, barely dissolving
5-APB: black
5-EAPB: black
5-MAPB: instant black
5-MEO-DALT: brownish
4-ACO-MET: brownish with black dots
2-DPMP: orange red
Ethylphenidate: transparent
NM-2AI: blood red
UPDATE: All the substances have been verified via GC/MS and are confirmed.
2C-C: lime
2C-D:transparent yellow
2C-E: yellowy green? something
Pentylone bk-BMDP: solid yellow
Etylone bk-MDEA: dark/dirty yellow
Methylone bk-MDMA: solid yellow
Pentedrone:no color reaction, bubbles
4-MEC: no color reaction, bubbles
3-FMC: no color reaction, bubbles
a-PVP:no color reaction, bubbles
2-FA: starts transparent, then reddish orange
(i was informed by the lab that their reaction gave no color, so i might contaminted some part and it gave a false reaction)
4-FA: no color reaction
Ethcathinone: no color reaction, bubbles
6-APB: violet, barely dissolving
5-APB: black
5-EAPB: black
5-MAPB: instant black
5-MEO-DALT: brownish
4-ACO-MET: brownish with black dots
2-DPMP: orange red
Ethylphenidate: transparent
NM-2AI: blood red
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uncle_bud
Bluelighter
Here are my results from testing 3-meo-PCP with marquis and mandelin. There was no real reaction with both of them. Just a small yellow tinge but i presume it was from contamination or synthesis byproduct. Sample was also submitted for GC/MS so i will update you when i get the results.
I was informed from the lab that the sample was actually Ethylphenidate. So here goes your reputable vendor bullshit straight to the head. So the color reaction is probably from synthesis byproducts.
Heres a couple more, not sure how valuable they are but anyways, all three are in the same layout left to right : Marquis, Mecke, Simons A&B
Cocaine
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just to be sure my test is good
The images are gone.
My question is: Do the mandelin/mecke/marquis test by eztestkits react to cocaine? Dancesafe chart shows reaction by one of the tests, but on eztestkits.com there is no mention that any of the three would react to cocaine.