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Opioids Tramadol for H Withdrawals, just delaying them?

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So I've been struggling getting off a little bender of heroin while working and recently came across some tramadol 50mg I had from some dental surgery a while back, I know they are a synthetic opioid but if I take them to help with my w/d will it just delay the w/d or will it actually help me through it? As in when I stop taking the tramadols (I will be tapering, i only have 13 left, and alternating with some gabapentins I have) will I still feel w/d symptoms?
 
sarajenni88 said:
Yes sir (I think ur a guy) lol. Ur right
Tramadol withdrawal for my hubby is worse than w/d from oxys usually. BUT he gets very mild w/d. Honestly if u do a taper I'm sure ur w/d will be much less severe than from heroin.
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yes i'm a dude.

well my plan is thus (i just took 200mg), I got work tonight, depending on how I feel I may take another 100mg + 10mg diazepam. Tomorrow I have off so I will see how I feel I may just take gabapentin since I don't have any obligations for the day. Then wednesday I have work again so again same dosage of tramadol (200mg in the morning, 100mg in the afternoon, maybe 1mg alprazolam with work) then the next day wait to see how I feel and possibly just gabapentin... then I don't work til sunday so I can detox completely I guess... if there is anything to feel left... hopefully super minor, also have many lopes.
 
Yes I have, I've had mixed reactions with it, it worked really well for me once (but I mixed it with a low dosage of kratom as well) but another time I took 28mg with GFJ and it barely took away any symptoms and my last "run" was only 12 days of smoking H (real low amount too, but pretty potent) so...idk I work in a restaurant so I'm active ALOT so I can't be sick AT ALL for it. but I got thurs,fri,sat off so maybe that'll be my trial days to see how I'm feeling...

The gabapentin is a god send tho, idk if you do opiates or anything but your husband may want to look into those if he ever goes into w/d... i took 1200mg the first night of w/d and I felt 100% and slept 9hours, you just can't do it too many days in a row or your tolerance shoots to the moon!!!
 
You will prolong the withdrawals as tramadol is an opiate. Try to stick to the benzos and the gabapentin. Also tramadol lowers your seizure threshold and even doses of 150mg can do that for some people, so please becareful.
 
EP158207 said:
You will prolong the withdrawals as tramadol is an opiate. Try to stick to the benzos and the gabapentin. Also tramadol lowers your seizure threshold and even doses of 150mg can do that for some people, so please becareful.
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thanks for your concern, considering the long half life of the Tramadol, I'm going to use to it very spaced and out and kind of tapered too so I don't end up screwing myself up too much, tomorrow I plan on only taking Gabapentin (hopefully), then wednesday Tramadol, then thursday gaba...friday see how I feel etc etc... I hope this works :sus:
 
I don't see how You'd prolong withdrawals if you're tapering. I had been prescribed tramadol 50s for a short bit and started having bad withdrawal effects when I stopped taking them. So I took a few more over the next week or so as needed, spacing them out more and more. Much better.

Weening myself off Tramadol definitely helped with Tramadol withdrawals, so I don't see why it wouldn't help with general opiate withdrawals.
 
Yeah, they actually do help, especially with gabapentin!

Try lower dosages than what you're suggesting. You may not need 200mg at a time(and thats not really safe), but of course its difficult to resist taking MORE of what makes you feel better..
 
Tramadol should def help with the h withdrawals, make it better for sure. I would take less than what your taking though, because if your using high doses of tram its just gonna prolong withdrawal and youll feel even shittier when you run out. Try taking 100mgs every 8-12hrs for the first few days, then go down to 50mgs. Since you have benzos and gabapentin too it shouldn't be too rough.
 
Tramadol will defo help with opiate WD.
Tramadols main action is on the kappa opiate receptor with minor affinity for mu receptor. Heroin is the other way round.
This means that tramadol isnt a full opiate substitute like methadone and so you can take tramadol and still withdraw from full agonist opiates/oids.

There was quite a buzz about this in the medical community some years ago and a few clinics ran short trials but it was abandoned due to seizure concerns limiting dosage.
This may not mean alot to an individual though because unacceptable risk to a medical programme is generally anything more then a 1% risk factor.

I would use 100mg every 4-6hrs with gabapentin (remember tramadol works better in smaller spaced doses rather then one large dose) and 10mg diazepam in the evening to lower seizure risk and aid sleep.
 
bunge said:
Tramadol will defo help with opiate WD.
Tramadols main action is on the kappa opiate receptor with minor affinity for mu receptor. Heroin is the other way round.
This means that tramadol isnt a full opiate substitute like methadone and so you can take tramadol and still withdraw from full agonist opiates/oids.

There was quite a buzz about this in the medical community some years ago and a few clinics ran short trials but it was abandoned due to seizure concerns limiting dosage.
This may not mean alot to an individual though because unacceptable risk to a medical programme is generally anything more then a 1% risk factor.

I would use 100mg every 4-6hrs with gabapentin (remember tramadol works better in smaller spaced doses rather then one large dose) and 10mg diazepam in the evening to lower seizure risk and aid sleep.
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Hey thanks a lot, this really helps, home much gabapentin should i take along with that?
 
I took two Nerontin three times a day to help with suboxone WDs.(1800mg) Tramadol didn't help at ALL, even five pills at a time.
It was easy for me to stop the Nerontin. I took it for three weeks...
 
The issue with gabapentin is that it has a u-shaped absorption curve, the more you take the less is absorbed. Very annoying, and wasteful. If you have the really low-dosed pills(100mg) you can take one every twenty minutes or so, keeping in mind that it takes about an hour I think to really start working and to feel them. I don't feel much of anything from them at all with less than 500mgs personally but I do have a gabaergic tolerance and you may not..... take as little as possible, they do produce a dependence so try not to get too fond of them!
 
Nicholai said:
The issue with gabapentin is that it has a u-shaped absorption curve, the more you take the less is absorbed. Very annoying, and wasteful. If you have the really low-dosed pills(100mg) you can take one every twenty minutes or so, keeping in mind that it takes about an hour I think to really start working and to feel them. I don't feel much of anything from them at all with less than 500mgs personally but I do have a gabaergic tolerance and you may not..... take as little as possible, they do produce a dependence so try not to get too fond of them!
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Good to know, yesterday I took 200mg of tramadol in the morning and then 8 hours later took 150mg then at bed time took 100mg, a little much I know but I wanted a nod.... *shrug* I didn't take my citalopram yesterday since I planned on taking the Tramadol and didn't want any crazy SSRI problems! Today tho I have taken my 20mg of citalopram and 600mg of gabapentin, I feel OK, a little weird. I'm seeing if I can go all day without any opiates...

Now question being: Am I still feeling some of the effects of the tramadol do you think? Since I took 450mg in a 24 hour period? Or is it mainly the gabapentin making me feel ok? I only have 5 gabapentins left so idk what my next dose should be or if I should just take 50mg of tramadol and then later on maybe 600mg more of gaba... any advice?

Arsenal (currently):
-23 50mg Tramadol
-5 300mg gabapentin
-4 .5mg alprazolam
-countless ambien

so today my plan of action is: 600mg of gabapentin (this morning, already ingested) +8 hours later 600mg more of gabapentin, then maybe some alprazolam at night before bed (or should I take an ambien instead?)
then tomorrow I have work so I plan on taking 50mg of Tramadol at first sign of bad feelings go up to 100mg max in the morning and then 50mg more before work... then see how I Feel without anything... any advice on this??? things I should change or consider?
 
Save that second dose of gabapentin (600mg) for tomorrow and use 0.5mg of alprazolam in its place. Then zolpidem for bedtime.
With what you have at your disposal you should be able to make it though with minimal discomfort.
Remember that gabapentin and tramadol work best in staggered doses...less is more with these two.
I would keep a good amount of the zolpidem back as you might find the insomnia persists for a couple of weeks.
Anything else i can advise on, ask away.lol or shoot me aPM if you would prefer and good luck!.


@ziggystardust,
its possible that you dont metabolise tramadol very well. A small % of the population dont get anything from it but the weird SNRI effects. Its just genetics and bad luck.lol
 
ok nevermind, was going to take gabapentin but read up on it and i took alprazolam first and i heard if you take the benzos before the gabanpentin they fight for control and cancel each other and I don't want to waste them so i may just take .5 more of xanax and see how it goes...
 
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tramadol did not work for me for taper. Too weak if u have a strong habit. One time after being off H for 6 months, I was in Thailand for 2 months, where they sell packs of 10 50mg trams in the pharmacy for like a buck 50. I developed a 1500mg /day habit for the 2nd month of the trip(plus was taking benzos 2-4 days a week, as they are OTC in some areas. I didnt think i had done enough trammy to get WD, but when I got off the flight home i had the worst shits ever, worse than H. The other symptoms were pretty minimal and the fact that I didnt think it was WD, didnt make me crave them. In fact I went home with like 2000 mg which I didnt even think about doing as the high was lame, and the ability to piss was almost impossible, like 10x worse than when ur loaded to shit on H.

quick taper works best for me w subutex if i can wait the 36 hours to take it(I hear that tar users wait longer as other actives have longer HL than powder H) wait 36hours then 28mg day 1. 16mg day 2, 8 mg day 3 8 mg day 4. 6mg day 5 4 mg day 6 4 mg day 7 2 mg day 8 and 9 then stop. minor WD, sleep 5 hours a day, eat food, no shits.

Methadone is much easier to start thats why i prefer it, but you experience more WD at the end. 150-200 MG day 1, 120MG day 2, 80 MG day 3,4 60 day 5 50 day 6 40 day 7 30 day 8,9,10 25 day 11,12 20 day 13, 14 15 day 15,16 10 day 17,18 7-8 day 19 5 day 20,21,22,23 2.5 day 24, 25 then 0. sleep goes to 4-5 hours a night below 20mg. I use 10mg pills, so hardd to do the 7-8mg dose and the 2.5,mg since they r scored in half. I do hear they have more potency than liquid and that liquid has like 30% variation from my friend in MMT
 
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