Responsible Meth Use?

[ButchCassidy]

About two weeks ago, I tried methamphetamine for the first time. I just finished the last of the .5 gram bag this morning. Nice, big, clean shards; apparently very high quality stuff.

I have to say I absolutely love this it, definitely my favorite stimulant thus far. Prior to using meth I had been using some very high quality Amphetamine Sulfate powder for about 6 months on a pretty regular basis. Snorting it was great but the high was fairly short lived, 3 hours max. Taking it orally just didn't give the same euphoria unless I took a larger dose.

Anyway.....I love the longer duration of meth! Definitely much more euphoric as well. It also feels a lot "cleaner" in a way; the "jittery" side effects I'd get with the normal amphet were pretty much non existent.

It really helped me get loads done for school and it makes my shitty, part time, minimum wage fly by like a breeze. I should mention I only took it orally, about 40-60 mg's would get me just were I wanted to be. I hear snorting it hurts like a motherfucker so I'll probably avoid that and from what I've read smoking it doesn't seem very functional, and I like functional. I want to feel good but I'm mainly taking it to get shit done, and the oral doses I've been taking seem to be exactly what I'm looking for.

I used it maybe every other day give or take. The comedown was a bit shitty but not nearly as bad as I've heard some people make it out to be. I just felt slightly depressed in general for a few hours.

I'm planning on buying a full gram soon and using it exactly the same way I did the first .5 bag. Every other day give or take. Strictly orally.

Even though I feel completely in control there's this tiny nagging fear in the back of my head that somehow I'll become completely addicted. I've done plenty of different drugs and I can safely say I never had any sort of problem with any of them. I feel absolutely no physical craving for it. I can definitely see the danger in psychological dependency but I think I have the willpower and self control to be able to use it on a consistent basis without any problems.

So what are your thoughts? Is it possible to use meth responsibly? Are there any signs you should look out for when it comes to a developing problem? Does using it orally decrease your chances of becoming addicted? I'd love to here from anyone here who has had personal experience with the drug, good or bad. Any tips or advice would be much appreciated

Thank you! And sorry for the long and rambling post!

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Chances are good every other day becomes daily. As far as responsible use goes, the recreational parts are gonna go with tolerance, that's no to say all the desirable effects will be absent, but without the telltale side-effects it can be difficult to identify them.

Look up desoxyn's recommended dose range. That oughtta be as safely sustainable as it gets. Assuming you can stick with it.

 

[blight12]

Well you have gone beyond the major risk levels, chance of you using responsibly is very slim.

I managed to use "responsibly", which I defined as recreational only, weekends only, never more then once a week and never daily.
Some others might define responsible drug usage as regular consistent daily usage with exact planned and specific dosages every day, always sticking to your sober pre created planned usage, and that also makes sense if you use something daily already.

The only way responsible usage was possible for me was to never use it for functional purposes. When you realize how it helps real life, your are most likely toast:

"It really helped me get loads done for school and it makes my shitty, part time, minimum wage fly by like a breeze.".

Not good at all for you my friend. Forget this benefit if you can, forget this ever happen, never use in the week again or for any real life functional purpose and maybe, just maybe you could use it responsibly for rec purposes only, but its prob to late for you now, you no longer have the luxury of "ignorance is bliss" when it comes to meths #1 biggest addiction pull factor imho: its "usefulness".

 

[Crashing]

I agree with blight12, responsible would be categorizing drug use and recreation as separate from work, school, and normal life. 'Functional' is really a soft word for abuse. When we ask what is more functional, it basically means what can be abused more efficiently. If you're gonna use it responsibly, treat it the same way that a social drinker treats alcohol. And I'm not ragging on you at all, in fact i don't use my drugs responsibly the majority of the time. It's just good to be honest with yourself.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

It is very likely that you can, I have used meth only a handful of times, and the last time I used it was almost 7 months ago, that is the best way I know how to fight the possibility of addiction because I know how much I LOVE the high.
It takes a lot of willpower but using that often could easily lead to a habit before you know it.
Oral use is definitely the way to go though if you are trying to not become addicted, the rush of taking a massive hoot of meth is amazing

 

[opiatekrzy]

There are many addicts that use meth, heroin, cocaine; you name it and use responsibly. As far as Meth, your chances of becoming a responsible user would be taking it orally. Smoking It it is very addictive and always cravings and the fun is gone. Putting some in a capsule is no different than taking ADHD medication such as Dexedrine and desoxyn. They say d-amp is 3/4 strong as meth. Meth also is smoother cleaner and less of a comedown..orallly

 

[ButchCassidy]

The only way responsible usage was possible for me was to never use it for functional purposes. When you realize how it helps real life, your are most likely toast:

"It really helped me get loads done for school and it makes my shitty, part time, minimum wage fly by like a breeze.".

Not good at all for you my friend. Forget this benefit if you can, forget this ever happen, never use in the week again or for any real life functional purpose and maybe, just maybe you could use it responsibly for rec purposes only, but its prob to late for you now, you no longer have the luxury of "ignorance is bliss" when it comes to meths #1 biggest addiction pull factor imho: its "usefulness".

Hmmmm I never really thought about it like that. I've pretty much always used stimulant solely for their real life functional benefits. MDMA is really the only one I've ever used on a strictly recreational level, but I mean MDMA doesn't even really fall into the same category.

I just don't see the point in taking it for anything other than it's functional benefits. I definitely see what you're saying and I think I definitely need to step back and think about it pretty hard. Thanks for the input, something like this was exactly what I was looking for.

 

[ButchCassidy]

I agree with blight12, responsible would be categorizing drug use and recreation as separate from work, school, and normal life. 'Functional' is really a soft word for abuse. When we ask what is more functional, it basically means what can be abused more efficiently. If you're gonna use it responsibly, treat it the same way that a social drinker treats alcohol. And I'm not ragging on you at all, in fact i don't use my drugs responsibly the majority of the time. It's just good to be honest with yourself.

Yeah, no I totally understand what you're saying. It's just I've never used stimulants for anything other than their benefits in school, work etc... And I don't think I'd even want to take them just on weekends, solely for the recreational "high". And I totally understand man, I really appreciate you throwing in on this, you've definitely given me something to seriously consider.

It seems like my main options would be to stop using it all together or just try to maintain the current schedule as best I can and hope for the best. The latter obviously seems like potential trouble after reading what you and bluelight12 had to say. If I used it only on weekends I feel like I'd just be constantly reminded of how easy it makes everything in day to day life.

 

[blight12]

Yeah well thats the big problem is that its so functional some people dont even think about it as anything else. Its supposed to be a recreational drug, and its ok for that usage but its not good enough to keep you addicted. But thats why amps are so addictive even though they have no physical addiction, because the functional benefits are often a no brainer and the whole point for most people. How do stand a chance against stopping something that makes your life better, makes you perform better every day in everything. Rec dug addictions are one thing and are tough to deal with but functional stim addiction is another thing entirely. You get used to that and its overs. Its to easy to justify taking it just once more time for that test or meeting or chunk of work.

What might help though is increasing your dosage, and eventually your quality of work will suffer, and enough fukups and embarrassing emails to work colleagues might help you to stop.

I am currently breaking my own rule though, using Kratom for functional stuff a few days a week. Amazing shit for that, way better then amps even. You should give that a try instead. The lesser evil.
No reduction in quality and the mindset is far more responsible a conducive to being productive, can work for hours and be more productive in the same amount of time. Amps just make me hedonistic and want to say, "fuck it, dont care" to anything work related.

 

[legalizeall]

im gonna say an experience that a friend told me. he is a daily smoker going on about 2 years now and he sees it being more positive in his life at the moment than negative. he says it has helped him develop who he is as a person and what he wants in life. it has given him confidence to be himself and be ok with that. he has not liked himself for pretty much his whole life and he said today he can look in the mirror and like the person looking back. it has improved his love for his girlfriend and it has given him more compassion and empathy for others that he didnt used to have.

as with any drug, it can be integrated into daily life but its important to know when to put it down. he doesnt understand the argument that it seems so functional that your fucked. if it seems so functional; paying bills, not missing work, keeping up with existing relationships, maintaining a healthy diet etc than how is that dysfunctional. your doing so good that your in the shitter?

it gets a bad rap and some people just cant hang with it but thats not a bad thing. my buddy cant handle booze or painkiller medication. its all in the person and how they react to it. he says that he felt it was more addicting when he snorted it and he is glad he doesnt anymore.

also my buddy has been on the side of being strung out before with pain killers so he knows the behavior and how easily that line can be crossed. but he doesnt believe its the drug more than the person behind the drug.

if you saw my buddy, you would never guess he smoked this shit daily and how much he smokes. but thats the beauty of it to him and the shitty part of it. he debunks all the myths cause you would never know it. sometimes when he hears the stereotypes from people about drug users, tweakers, stoners etc he just wants to come up to them and say you know what, i smoke black, meth, and some herb daily. what do you think of me? do i fit your view of what that person should be? but he will never do that.

but the shit part is how much his life would change if certain people knew. based purely on prejudged ideaology put out there by the media. this simple fact alone, not his behavior, would flip alot of things in a negative way and that to him is far more dangerous than the drug itself. how society can all of the sudden change how they see you and not by something you have done to them. but by something thats done completely in private away from them.

sometimes it gets away from him and he probably smokes a bowl or two more than he should but thats the fun. on the flip side of that, you have to be able to pull it back and have the ability to step outside yourself and realize your behavior.

he isnt saying its healthy or anything like that, but fuck, look how unghealty alot of shit in life is. processed foods, cigerettes, alchohol, people at work, the mold in your house, etc.

its not the drug but the person

 

[blight12]

Being on meth and everything is great is easy, stopping is when the problems begin.

The thing is that the drug will improve your functionality, for as long as you take it, years even possibly, you only have a big problem getting used to the normal you when you want to stop. But besides that, even if you think you can take it forever and permanently have increased functionality, do you really want to rely on a drug to get through life as a matter of principle?

The same level of performance boosting can be achieved through mindset changes, attitude changes and other things. Relying on a drug is to easy, besides all the other risks, it says something about you if your going to take the easy way to "solve" your problems. Rather be the guy that makes the harder better choices and not the easy ones.

 

[legalizeall]

and why is it bad to need a drug to get through life? what if thats just the way im wired? but why is it bad? why does society insist that you must be completely sober to enjoy life? as people we are taught that drugs are bad and why? is the only way to experience something fully is while sober? is that the only true way to live through life? have you seen the world we live in today? it can be kinda fucked in a few directions.

 

[Crashing]

and why is it bad to need a drug to get through life? what if thats just the way im wired? but why is it bad? why does society insist that you must be completely sober to enjoy life? as people we are taught that drugs are bad and why? is the only way to experience something fully is while sober? is that the only true way to live through life? have you seen the world we live in today? it can be kinda fucked in a few directions.

Society doesn't insist on being completely sober, in fact i think most people are on some type of meds and the use of alcohol is perfectly accepted. Alcohol and medication are accepted because the supply meets the demand. Being dependent on an illegal drug is looked down on because the supply is not regulated, and training your body to require something that is not guaranteed to be available can lead to major social complications.

 

[opiatekrzy]

Many people like myself never was content or satisfied my whole life, always thought more should come out of the same routine every morning, work, sleep, repeat..my addictin came in fast

 

[legalizeall]

Many people like myself never was content or satisfied my whole life, always thought more should come out of the same routine every morning, work, sleep, repeat..my addictin came in fast

thats exactly what gets me is that life. i dont know how people do that for years. i get bored really quick and i get more depressed with thoughts like "what is the point." "what am i doing."
"another week of this."

 

[legalizeall]

Being dependent on an illegal drug is looked down on because the supply is not regulated.


i dont feel that statement is quite accurate and i think there is a very simple answer for it. they look down on it cause that is what they have been trained to think. Drugs are bad. the average person thinks this will no real concrete evidence behind it other than what they have seen on tv. they believe the faces of meth like they believed the reefer madness that said bud was gonna make you rape and murder people for no reason. the amount of brainwashing over more than one generation by the simple act of television is enourmus and has created a sub culture that think more like robots than individuals. and if you go against the norm or against the grain standard stereotypes that are out there about anyone, you are a radical conspiracy theroist and probably a drug addict. really sad how we have become such lemmings

 

[Crashing]

Being dependent on an illegal drug is looked down on because the supply is not regulated.


i dont feel that statement is quite accurate and i think there is a very simple answer for it. they look down on it cause that is what they have been trained to think. Drugs are bad. the average person thinks this will no real concrete evidence behind it other than what they have seen on tv. they believe the faces of meth like they believed the reefer madness that said bud was gonna make you rape and murder people for no reason. the amount of brainwashing over more than one generation by the simple act of television is enourmus and has created a sub culture that think more like robots than individuals. and if you go against the norm or against the grain standard stereotypes that are out there about anyone, you are a radical conspiracy theroist and probably a drug addict. really sad how we have become such lemmings

Were concluding the same thing but we are drawing evidence out of a different section of the definitive matrix... You're saying it's TV and i'm saying the government is backing those media programs due to inability to control the supply. You speak to the present, i speak more to its origin. But yeah, everybody's brainwashed (indoctrinated).

 

[SteeleyJ]

What is your definition of responsible? 100s of mg for a day or two? Occasional use? 10-20mg orally for study or alertness only ?

Alot of variables here.

Personally I think it's possible to use responsibly.... medium sized doses when alertness is needed. No binge use. Proper Sleep, healthy eating. I use responsibly, sometimes binge, but no longer than 48 hours anymore..... but i also see the very devious side of meth ( the ego trip that makes you think you're somehow better, immune to amphetamine addiction ) and the real possibility to slide into dependency if not kept in check.

 

[legalizeall]

Were concluding the same thing but we are drawing evidence out of a different section of the definitive matrix... You're saying it's TV and i'm saying the government is backing those media programs due to inability to control the supply. You speak to the present, i speak more to its origin. But yeah, everybody's brainwashed (indoctrinated).

no buddy. somewhere we missed each others point or i didnt clarify. i completely agree with you that its govt spawned. the tv is just the tool to get it out there.their game is fear and they are very good at it

 

[Crashing]

yes.