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What's the score with Ukraine?

Vurtual said:
There's definitely some (at least a few) actual proper self-declared fascists in the new government' in Kiev, and they praise the nazi links - though the majority do not like that stuff (do they ever anywhere?) - the ukrainian fascists who helped the nazis tried doing uprisings after the war but no one was into it so they buggered off (or just worked for the cia or moscow or something).

i seem to remember reading about the ukraine being quite good in the early part of the USSR, following a more anarchist path under Makhno - Lenin soon turned on them and crushed them (like all the anarchists) because he wanted a stronger state.
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yes, last week on the news they flashed up 2 side by side pics of Ukraine one was red with a black swastika on it. no explanation given by the news fella. I don't really care anymore. I have to keep the peace and love in my own home and then I'm sure it will spread out. really, I hate all governments, can't believe I used to vote. oliticunts don't care about anyone but themselves the same as everyone else end of story.
 
Vurtual said:
I agree - i don't think america really wants russia to get all its oligarchs to get rid of their dollars; or that the city of london really wants to lose the money laundering business it gets from the russian mafia (or its other russian finance business) - hence the hot air. Even as pure hot air it can still be used as the excuse to ramp up military spending (on both sides) and launder more tax money into arms companies.
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It's Westminster policy not to do anything regarding Ukraine that will hurt the City of London. They've not even tried to hide that fact as far as I know.

StoneHappyMonday said:
Nope. And joke is the word. Well, it's funny anyway.
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Indeed. Imagine the reaction if a brown skinned fella with no nuclear capabilities had "invaded" an oil producing state?
 
pinkpapaver said:
I remember them turning off the gas to the Ukraine or Europe or somewhere a while back. the thing is, we shouldn't need their gas. tell me someone, why did they close the mines down?
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Because the coal was all worked out. The NCB had been overstating reserves for years, just to keep pits open and miners in work.

If there had been anything of value left down there, we would have replaced coal miners with robots, or tried to modify the Frasch process to extract coal.
 
BecomingJulie said:
Because the coal was all worked out. The NCB had been overstating reserves for years, just to keep pits open and miners in work.

If there had been anything of value left down there, we would have replaced coal miners with robots, or tried to modify the Frasch process to extract coal.
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This is simply wrong. Google coal reserves in the UK. You will get pages telling you there are 200 years of reserves left (and that's from a Daily Mail article), that 75% of our coal remains unmined (Yorkshire Post) and that there are millions of tonnes underneath the sea.

The debate was always about whether it was "economical" to continue, not that the coal had run out.
 
The hypocracy of the UK and US is what really annoys me, getting on their high horse going on about violating 'inernational law'. Do they think everyone has the memory of a goldfish and has forgotten that that is exactly what the US and UK did when they invaded Iraq ? The EU and UN i think was in strong condemantion of the whole thing but Bush and Blair didnt give a shit and invaded anyway. But no one mentions that any more and every one is getting on their high horses about Russia arguably just annexing a part of Ukraine where the vast majority of the population in that area were in favour of that action. Even if the circumstances of the referendum were dodgy; apparently all pro ukranian broadcasts were blocked and a number of pro Ukranians didnt vote at all out of protest or perhaps even intimitidation at the referedum, who knows.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
The hypocracy of the UK and US is what really annoys me, getting on their high horse going on about violating 'inernational law'. Do they think everyone has the memory of a goldfish and has forgotten that that is exactly what the US and UK did when they invaded Iraq ? The EU and UN i think was in strong condemantion of the whole thing but Bush and Blair didnt give a shit and invaded anyway. But no one mentions that any more and every one is getting on their high horses about Russia arguably just annexing a part of Ukraine where the vast majority of the population in that area were in favour of that action. Even if the circumstances of the referendum were dodgy; apparently all pro ukranian broadcasts were blocked and a number of pro Ukranians didnt vote at all out of protest or perhaps even intimitidation at the referedum, who knows.
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Well said. Exactly my thoughts on the subject.

Bear in mind Russia didn't even start this. The US conspired to overthrow the, admittedly corrupt but still democratically elected, Ukraine government. It would have went exactly to plan for them if Putin hadn't waded in over Crimea.

Good on him in my opinion. It's about time some cunt put a check on America's rampant world takeover.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
This is simply wrong. Google coal reserves in the UK. You will get pages telling you there are 200 years of reserves left (and that's from a Daily Mail article), that 75% of our coal remains unmined (Yorkshire Post) and that there are millions of tonnes underneath the sea.
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But you've still only got their word for it, haven't you?

It's in almost everybody's interest to inflate the numbers. The government want to bang the drum for British industry; it makes them look good, impressing both at voters at home and rich, influential people in positions of power abroad. The NCB is about to be privatised, so it wants to boast of huge assets. The right-wing media want coal (and, by extension, miners' lives .....) to be as cheap as possible. But as time goes on, it becomes harder to hide the facts, as the cost of digging out the coal begins ineluctably to approach its saleable value. If you can't sell your coal for less than the next person and still turn a profit doing so, then you are in trouble. Our diminishing coal reserves, massively overstated for years, became a dirty little secret that had to be buried as soon as possible.

Regardless of which. It was a bloody stupid idea to switch from coal to gas for electricity generation. Gas is too useful as a fuel in its own right, and it's still a finite resource. We need more renewable energy sources, there are no two ways about it. Anything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

The common sense argument is that renewable energy -- solar, wind, wave, biomass &c. -- will naturally begin to appear less expensive as the technology matures and fossil fuels become more expensive, so we will see a steady drift towards renewables. Solar PV installations are becoming less expensive, with advances in mass production techniques leading to higher wattages from the same size panels and better DC-AC inverters; and the price of electricity is going up, so treating the installation of a solar panel system as a bulk purchase of as much electricity as it's expected to generate over its working lifespan begins to look more and more favourable. Likewise, any increases in the price of mains gas will make air-source heat pumps look cheaper to run (forward thinking would be to replace radiators fed by an existing gas boiler with more efficient ones better suited to the lower flow temperature of a heat pump, and then replace the boiler with a heat pump at the end of its life).

But that breaks down if you consider that those in charge are only interested in making as much money as possible right now, and are prepared simply to keep partying on, spending other people's money, right up until it gets to the point where they cannot keep the country supplied with gas and electricity anymore; then end it all, just as people are beginning to take to the pitch-dark streets, demanding to know what is going on. And I'm far more worried about that than I am about any supposed cyber-attack on the National Grid.

(Disclosure: I have candles, oil lamps, a log burning stove, a portable petrol generator, solar panels on my roof and am planning to add battery storage to same. You can make up your own minds whether these are just sensible precautions or the actions of a deranged survivalist nutter ;) )
 
I love the idea of being self sufficient. The furthest i got this year was turning all the radiators off upstairs to save money and re-opening my boarded up and sealed off bedroom fire place. Supplementing a shed full of wood with loads of free fallen branches for wood and wood left out in the alleys for the bin men. At some point i will probably leave the cities and head back to some rural backwater, where it is much more feasible and possible to be much more self sufficient, far less people watching everything you do.

I have a torch and some tea candles i bought for the trays for vaping pv and a tiny calor gas camping stove and tiny calor gas bottle. In the event of a power cut I'd probably be able to make about 4 mugs of tea and 1 hot meal. 8)
 
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