Flight MH370: Where the FUCK is that plane?

[Shambles]

I'd like to think they wouldn't try to cover up a thing like that - especially as it would presumably be more or less accidental (sort of - understandable, perhaps). They absolutely would try to cover a thing like that up though I'm sure. But probably just ran out of fuel - was stretching it to get that far really. Maybe he overestimated his fuel-saving skills. Not by that much though if as relatively close to Oz as it looks it could've gotten. Does all seem very strange indeed whatever happened. Still got a shitload to explain even when they do find the actual plane.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Latest theory i heard last night was that the u-turn in the flight was possibly made due to some malfunctions and then the flight went to high altitude for some unknown reason where everyone lost consciousness and the plane was on auto pilot until in ran out of fuel 1500 miles sw of Perth.

The weather was shit in the Indian Ocean in that area yesterday, very poor visibilty, and i think they said the waves can reach /were at 17 metres (cant remember which). Sounds more than a bit "choppy" to me.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Latest theory i heard last night was that the u-turn in the flight was possibly made due to some malfunctions and then the flight went to high altitude for some unknown reason where everyone lost consciousness and the plane was on auto pilot until in ran out of fuel 1500 miles sw of Perth.

If that were true then Boeing would presumably be,

A) Shitting themselves

B) Recalling every 777-200 immediately.

Call me a cynic but...

 

[mydrugbuddy]

yes, i suppose that is true. Maybe Boeing wouldnt take that action until the 'latest theory' becomes more than that, as everyone still just seems to be making 'best educated guesses'.

 

[yoyo50]

until they find the 2 black boxes which could be years or maybe never as they only send out a signal for 30 days, but that's not to say they wont be found if you look at that AirFrance crash that took them 2 years+? to find
really won't know fuck all, the debris if found would show if a bomb went off etc angle it hit the water

 

[Sammy G]

These 'objects' in the sea, spotted by satellite, are, coincidentally, 24m big. The same size as the Chinese spotted last week. Which we were quickly told couldn't possibly be the plane because of their size. A week later and we're supposed to have forgotten this? Chinese objects were found to be 'not plane' pretty quickly.

Isn't that because the area was thoroughly searched by the Vietnamese, who found absolutely no trace of a plane?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I'm not sure what you're asking Sam. It's because they were found to be fishing vessels I think (in the Chinese satellite image case).

My point is we were told there was practically no chance of 24m objects being 'airplane' because of their large size. Now, a week later, we are being asked to believe the same size objects picked up by Australian satellites might be 'airplane'.

Spot the flaw.

 

[Sammy G]

I can't recall the objects being dismissed solely due to their size. Surely the Vietnamese wouldn't have bothered investigating if that were the case?

In any case, they did check it out, and the no plane debris was found. Had they neglected to investigate then maybe you'd be right to be suspicious.

 

[yoyo50]

It's the russians! Russia all over the news about to kick off a war, now nothing just this plane

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I can't recall the objects being dismissed solely due to their size. Surely the Vietnamese wouldn't have bothered investigating if that were the case?

You mean the same way the Malaysians surely couldn't have continued to tell helpers to search the South China Sea on March 15th when Inmarsat had told them on March 12th that the plane had continued to fly for 7 hours?

Yeah...

I can't recall the objects being dismissed solely due to their size.

But not every expert was convinced this is it. Clive Irving, a senior editor with Conde Nast Traveler, said that the size of the pieces -- since they are fairly square and large -- "don't conform to anything that's on the plane."

Tom Haueter, a former NTSB aviation safety director, said he'd be "surprised" if the objects came from the plane, rationalizing that anything that big (from the aircraft) wouldn't float.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

 

[Sammy G]

So one expert says he thinks they're too square. Another says he'd find it surprising if they were. Even the quote you've used suggests that many other experts were convinced it could be the plane.

A couple of guys expressing their doubt is hardly a definitive statement from any official authority, is it? And regardless, the Vietnamese went ahead with their search and found nothing.

I really think you're making far too much out of this.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I know you do. Which is why I only bothered linking one 'proof' of what I said (remember, you said you couldn't recall anything).

You're not worth anymore of my time than that, sorry.

 

[Sammy G]

 

[pinkpapaver]

These 'objects' in the sea, spotted by satellite, are, coincidentally, 24m big. The same size as the Chinese spotted last week. Which we were quickly told couldn't possibly be the plane because of their size. A week later and we're supposed to have forgotten this? Chinese objects were found to be 'not plane' pretty quickly.

And its handy they've been spotted in one of the roughest parts of any ocean in the world, thus hampering the 'search'.

At least the Chinese families complaints of "we're being lied to" were given more prominence today. Slightly.

The whole thing stinks.

indeed we are meant to forget stuff that they tell us on the news. we're not really meant to pay attention to the news too much. I swear they code it up a lot of the tie, for those that have ears to hear and eyes to see there is stuff there for those who pay attention.

only last week on the news they had a report on a big funcompetition in London about internet security where there were teams trying to stop cyber attacks. they had it down as a fun completion on the news in some bunker in London. when the report finished and the camera panned out, it panned out to show half of a board for gchq. it was basically the interviews for gchq jobs but they were pretending it was a jolly competiotion for fun. yes, you'd be amazed at what they show us and don't show us. stay awake everyone, because that is their get out clasue "oh, but we did tell you!" when I think of Woolwich too, the parents of that soldier found out it was their son from the news. my word, the step dad on panorama looked well spaced out and was saying some real odd stuff dig it out for yourselves. it's weird.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Half a year on doesn't anyone else think it was a bit extreme to kill 280 people just so we can map a small part of the southern Indian Ocean a little better?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29083905

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I still dont get why Australia waited several weeks, before it was very unsensationly and downplayededly released that they had tracked the plane flying 1,000 miles West of them. With such apparently definate confirmation I'd have expected a much bigger deal to have been made of it, when until then they didnt even have a clue what direction the plane had even flown in. But i spose Austalia is sort of one of our allies, so the media didnt want to make them look bad. But either someone there knew this right from the start, or it took them that long to find the "pings", either explanation is equally suspicious.

 

[spacejunk]

I dunno, the view from over here was of a dickhead prime minister grand-standing from the start, puffing out his chest and declaring that Australia will lead the heroic search efforts to find this plane.

He ramped it up even further for MH17 - this time with a suitable scapegoat (oh boy oh boy - like all his little Thatcherite dreams had come true) - the Russians.

Possibly the reason it "unsensationly and downplayededly" (sorry, I couldn't help it) took weeks - if in fact it did; my recollection of the timeline is a little fuzzy - is that anything the Australians may have tracked over such a distance may well have been with US secret spy infrastructure. Now, the deal with aus having top secret US intelligence communications bases in Australia (Pine Gap being the most well known) is that all information was (at the time of the instillations being created in the 1960s) to be shared between Australia and the Yanks.
Does this actually happen? The official line from all govt ministers and bureaucrats is "we do not comment publicly on intelligence matters or anything relating to them" - meaning "who the fuck knows" - but realistically, probably not.

In this instance, assuming the flight was able to be tracked by australian-based radars etc - and assuming again that those are controlled ultimately by American intelligence agencies - it may have been more complicated than simply checking whatever relevant readings may have located the wayward jet; what woild be a straightforward matter in civil aviation would be anything but if it requires data gathered from a foreign power that just so happens to be parked on the Australian continent.

Who knows? I could go and check some local 6 month old press reports (as I happen to be from that corner of Bumfuck Nowhere) - but I was dubious of news reports at the time, just as I am now.
But rest assured, the political hoo-hah in Australia (surrounding the search) was all very circus-like.

This was especially well illustrated when it was revealed that the underwater "pings" from the missing plane's black box were in fact coming from the ship that was conducting the search. Send in the clowns.

Not to make light of this tragic mystery - but it's been a fucking farce from the very beginning. I hate sounding like a "troofer", but I just don't know what to make of it.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Great post. Thanks for sharing that. Interesting that it was all a huge circus in Australia but it was all very sober and unexcited over here (at least on the BBC) with the 'Australian discovery' revelations, that im sure came about 3 weeks after the plane initially vanished. "Satellites" spotted the pings, fuck knows who owns the satellites however, whether it's the US or Australia I have no clue.

 

[Si Dread]

Not to make light of this tragic mystery - but it's been a fucking farce from the very beginning. I hate sounding like a "troofer", but I just don't know what to make of it.

... whole thing smells pretty bad, huh?

 

[lulz]

Why is it that it's the Australians who are bearing the cost of the search? Is it their responsibility because it's off their coast? I would have thought the Malaysians or the Chinese would do it. As far as I can recall it's like 1000 miles from the coast of Australia, far out of their maritime zone.

StoneHappyMonday quoted somebody in the Guardian's comments section in post number 77

What immediately follows is unclear. Did the plane climb to 45,000’, then dive 40,000’ in one minute? Unlikely. That’s 450mph straight down, an unrecoverable dive.

That's not correct. I'll do the calculations in metric because Imperial is stupid.

45,000 feet to 40,000 feet is obviously 5,000 feet. 5,000 feet is 1524 metres so 1524 metres travelled in a minute. Divided by 60 to make it seconds is 25.4 metres per second. 25.4 metres per second is 91.44 kilometres per hour which is 56.8 miles per hour.

I've got no point to prove other than diving at 450mph immediately seemed implausible to me.