Tryptamines The Big & Dandy DMT Thread - The 6th Recursion

[What 23]

Don't ever, ever smoke it out of a joint.

I tried this earlier today. It was actually a nice headspace. Very interesting. Giddy. Expansive.

I got a sore throat after, though. Not sure if because of burning instead of vaping, or because the freebase got in my mouth, or something else. But effect-wise it was pretty nice, IMO.

On another note, I have finally, after months after acquiring a small sample, began trials. Every time has been different. Of course, but perhaps the frequency of my experiments shows the contrast unlike other psych use, which has been more spread out.

I have only used it in oil burning pipe and the joint. I had plans to try some harmala alkaloids and oral DMT, but I suffer some kind of reaction to something... Or did, so on the side of caution, I chose to abort that experiment and perform more precise allergy tests.

But vaporized, I am learning.

 

[Reverend Random]

Since the DMT topic popped up, I might as well pose an issue that's been bugging me a bit. I am quite experienced with DMT, but have never ever been able to have a meaningful experience in the same way that other psychedelics have provided me with. The one time that I got something out of it, was when I smoked in the form of changa. Mind you, I am not talking about ayahuasca either, I'm talking vaped or smoked DMT.

It's always fun and interesting and scary and mindblowing, but the DMT experience never really relates to my psyche somehow. The hallmark of my experiences are probably that I always experience contact with beings... always. And while that's very intriguing and strange and weird beyond belief, it still doesn't go further than 'a visit to the zoo, looking at really fucking weird multidimensional outer space monkeys'. Colors, forms, beings, dimensions. But nothing that really gives me something I can use afterwards.

It makes me wonder whether it's even possible for me, or whether anyone has suggestions to try something different. I doubt it's a matter of dose, because I load my 'machine' with plenty of DMT and smoke till I can't anymore. And that's probably four or five big ol' drags, where most people lose their focus after two. So... what gives? Anyone else experience the same? Tips, tricks, suggestions? Or should I just enjoy DMT as a carnival ride and leave it at that?

 

[Dubulous.]

It is a carnival ride, for sure.

The only advice I would give that I didn't see you mention is to make sure you religiously, seriously, SERIOUSLY hold that damn smoke in your lungs until you feel like you'll burst. That's what really sends you off into space.

But yeah, it sounds like you know the deal... it's never gonna be like acid, where you have 6 hours to decipher it and draw conclusions and come to realizations about yourself, your loved ones, and the world around us. It's a fast-paced roller coaster ride thru your imagination. And you'll never actually remember 99.9% of it... it happens so damn fast, that by the time you think you thought something, you already forgot what you thought you were thinking, and so on. You kinda just have to let go and enjoy the ride.

One time I heard a voice saying this, and it must have said it multiple times cuz the second I regained control of my hands I immediately wrote it down...

"Don't try to remember...you'll get kicked out of the garden."

Take it or leave it, I think that's just the nature of DMT. Personally I'll take it...again and again and again and again hhaha

 

[SirTophamHat]

Since the DMT topic popped up, I might as well pose an issue that's been bugging me a bit. I am quite experienced with DMT, but have never ever been able to have a meaningful experience in the same way that other psychedelics have provided me with. The one time that I got something out of it, was when I smoked in the form of changa. Mind you, I am not talking about ayahuasca either, I'm talking vaped or smoked DMT.

It's always fun and interesting and scary and mindblowing, but the DMT experience never really relates to my psyche somehow. The hallmark of my experiences are probably that I always experience contact with beings... always. And while that's very intriguing and strange and weird beyond belief, it still doesn't go further than 'a visit to the zoo, looking at really fucking weird multidimensional outer space monkeys'. Colors, forms, beings, dimensions. But nothing that really gives me something I can use afterwards.

It makes me wonder whether it's even possible for me, or whether anyone has suggestions to try something different. I doubt it's a matter of dose, because I load my 'machine' with plenty of DMT and smoke till I can't anymore. And that's probably four or five big ol' drags, where most people lose their focus after two. So... what gives? Anyone else experience the same? Tips, tricks, suggestions? Or should I just enjoy DMT as a carnival ride and leave it at that?

Try the MAOi thing again. You said the one time you got a great trip was with changa, right? Also, you could try syrian rue tea or another oral MAOi and then try my favorite trick. Use a gravity bong with ~70mg loaded up on ash or weed. With a steady hand you can usually avoid burning any of it, since the gravity bong's airstream is more constant than a breath from lungs. Getting ALL your dose in the single inhale helps as well.

Lastly, how long do you hold your hits in for? I go with 10 seconds. Anything less than that and there's a serious drop-off in absorption. No matter how you take it, hold the hits in!

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Try DMT via IM injection.

I do love smoked DMT but it is more amusement than anything. IMed DMT is a completely different animal, a psychedelic par excellence equal to LSD or psilocin in every way.

 

[SirTophamHat]

Have you written an IM DMT trip report, MGS?

I have only smoked DMT and think that the amusement is really sublime.

 

[Reverend Random]

Thanks for the feedback. I was already preparing for combining smoked DMT with some 3 grams of powdered syrian rue, so that's something I'll be trying someday soon.

Does anyone have experience with plugging DMT? My DMT is extracted and not super clean, and since I have no experience in injecting anything, I'm not ready for that yet. I am however open to trying it rectally.

But yeah, in the end that's probably what DMT is all about, right? Fun and games and alien entities.

By the way, DMT really has _NO_ tolerance whatsoever. I have tried vaping it five times in a row, sometimes even when I hadn't fully returned yet, and the next dose would just blast me back again. Five times in a row was definitely overdoing it, by the way, but we really wanted to find out how much tolerance was an issue. Turned out there was no issue at all.

Last question: does holding the smoke or vape in your lungs longer really make a difference? Because afaik that's not the case with tobacco or cannabis - it just does more damage but doesn't really noticeably increase absorption. Any knowledge on this besides hearsay?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

>Have you written an
>IM DMT trip report, MGS?

No. Haven't had DMT since 2011 and back then I was using shots of DMT every couple hours to try to get out of my body during suboxone withdrawal. The trips were very personal in nature and there wasn't really much to write about.

I used DMT fumarate, dosages anywhere from 75mg to 250mg. Effects hit in a few minutes, lasted at least 45 min to an hour with no appreciable comedown or after-effects. I was a very anguished person at the time, and not at all mentally or physically healthy, so writing during that time just was not happening.

I do remember (while being in the midst of suboxone withdrawal mind you) once a kind spirit in the DMT world enticed me to get up and dance with it. I don't dance either, or at least I am still waiting for the waltz to come back in style, so for this to happen I had to be pretty moved by whatever was happening at the time. I think we danced to "Bangla Dhun" (Ravi Shankar from the Bangla Desh concert) and that was an amazing experience.

Oddly enough, I also found IMed DMT to be very good for 'socializing' and I met someone who was interested in taking some IM DMT with me, with the intention to proceeding to physical contact...and it was very lovely for this purpose. That interested someone had never taken DMT but they were VERY impressed with the evening. They did not find DMT difficult, scary, or in any way unpleasant.

As an aside, there may be no tolerance to smoked DMT...but IMing DMT will produce a rapid tolerance. Sadly at the time, I was in a place where I had no means or desire to control my intake, and with an unlimited supply of DMT, I ended up going through almost a half ounce of DMT in a couple months. It got to the point that I would take DMT to go get the god-damned mail. Using DMT that often also seemed to make me tolerant to all other psychedelics for many months....a-MT, mescaline (700mg too) all had little effect on me during this time. I am guessing this must be when I ate most of my precious psilacetin since now all I have is a nearly empty vial and no memory of what the hell I did with the rest.

And the DMT did not end my opiate habit either but made the transition from suboxone to kratom tolerable I suppose. Crazy times.

 

[Dubulous.]

Last question: does holding the smoke or vape in your lungs longer really make a difference? Because afaik that's not the case with tobacco or cannabis - it just does more damage but doesn't really noticeably increase absorption. Any knowledge on this besides hearsay?

Absolutely 100%. Not only am I very experienced with it, but I've also been present with about a dozen people who were trying it for the first time. Some of them heeded my specific directions carefully, and held it in their lungs as long as humanly possible, and blasted WAY off into outer space...and then some were either a bit timid and scared of the unknown, or did not believe me when I told them how serious this was, and took a puff and blew it out right away...these people NEVER achieved the desired affect.

By taking 5 hits and exhaling quickly and then blasting off, you are basically doing what you could have done with only one hit had it been held in as long as possible.

I cannot stress this enough. In my opinion it's the most important part of the process....even more so than being careful not to burn it all away but instead to "singe" the powder. This is not an opinion, this is based off much, much evidence and experimentation. Like I said, this is not just me...this is literally a dozen or more people, some of whom did it right, some of whom did not.

Trust me...hold that shit in. It's not gonna hurt your lungs....you're already smoking a psychedelic substance...what's a few extra seconds in the lungs really gonna do?

I'm only trying to help. You'll thank me later.

 

[Mr RIpper]

this is a little off topic but i have a question about this ha... how would i go about getting tracers? i dont know where to post this... also on dmt i smoked some last year took about 5 freebse hits and i never came down!so high and happy best life to live...

 

[ColtDan]

Agreed on the holding it in thing, held hits blast my tits off. can only manage about 2 held ones before i drop the pipe and im gone if its nice clean stuff. first time i held 1, just about managed the second but didnt hold it for long, and i was gone

 

[Reverend Random]

Weird how that does seem to work eh?

By the way, since we were on the topic of DMT, I woke up in a bad mood last week and couldn't get rid of it while I wanted to. Smoked me a fat dose of DMT - got transported to the alien realm and surely enough, when I returned I almost forgot I was ever in a bad mood to begin with. Excellent stuff.

Does anyone else also experience a physical sensation of being shifted into another dimension? It's hard to describe, but doing DMT to me like moving into another dimension, mentally and visually at least. But at occasions it also feels like my body is encapsulated and is slowly shifting towards that other realm. Kinda like you can get on ketamine or other dissociatives but different still. It's a very intriguing sensation.

 

[lenses]

Weird how that does seem to work eh?
Does anyone else also experience a physical sensation of being shifted into another dimension? It's hard to describe, but doing DMT to me like moving into another dimension, mentally and visually at least. But at occasions it also feels like my body is encapsulated and is slowly shifting towards that other realm. Kinda like you can get on ketamine or other dissociatives but different still. It's a very intriguing sensation.

DMT is an NMDA antagonist, like ketamine. The numb dissociated feel is definitely present with DMT just in a different ratio.

 

[Reverend Random]

Really? That's the first time I'm hearing of it. Interesting. Any refs?

 

[Yeetbeat]

Having a bit of trouble vapourising DMT successfully lately. Most times I'm not getting the entire amount, as subsequent hits from the leftover material (old weed etc, not visible DMT) in the vape have given just as much of a hit as the first - leading me to believe whatever method I'm using isn't vapourising everything in there. Also concerned I may be burning the material too, though unsure.

This is what I usually do:

Preheat vape (Ariser model) to 160 deg celcius, and allow to sit at temp for 5+ minutes
Weigh desired dose of freebase DMT, then place material into the vape chamber (already containing "used" weed) and stir it around gently a bit
Let sit at 160deg for a further couple of minutes before turning the fan on at lowest setting and allowing the balloon to fill with vapour
When the balloon is near full, I turn the temperature up to ~200deg (this is where I fear I might be going wrong, but doesn't explain residual DMT in vape afterwards)
Once balloon is full, immediately turn off vape and inhale entire contents of balloon - usually 3 full inhales, holding each breath for ~10 sec or a bit less

Where am I going wrong? Strength of each full hit at same dosage varies far too much (as in one 60mg hit can give me a buzz, but another 60mg hit can send me god knows where) so I must be doing something wrong with my method. Not to mention on a weak hit, I can reuse the same material without adding more DMT and get an equal hit off the second fill.


Step by step, what do you guys do when vapourising DMT? Preferably whatever method is consistently 100%


Fanks!

 

[Dmt_Trips]

Dmt is often shown as this beautiful, kind and loving drug.. but it has a dark side and if you let it happen to you.. it literally terrifies you

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

Going to try DMT for the first time, I got a small baggie with like some yellowish orange tinged flour like powder (maybe like 5 or so lines worth?), I think about 200mg.

It seems like people say to smoke it, so how do I do that? I dont want to buy some expensive bong for it. Im by the ghetto so plenty of cornermarkets selling like crack pipes and stuff. How much to smoke?

Thanks. From what I understand, sounds like ketamine, ie psychadelic crack - strong, short lived, get sucked into a 'hole'. And does smoking it leave a strong smell? And I know it lasts only like 5 min, but do you get back to baseline soon? Or do you feel burned out like weed or stimulants?

Finally, is there a reagent best used for DMT negative ID? I have ehrlich and tomorrow got marquis, mecke, mandelin coming. The dmt is from a trustworthy source, but just out of curiosity I test everything because a whole bottle of reagent is so friggin cheap off ebay :D

 

[phenethylo J]

Some people will use meth pipes/oil burners put I prefer using it in my one hitter sandwiched between some mint leaf and/or basil. Any cheap weed pipe will do just make sure you have enough herbs on the bottom so the dmt will melt into it. Hover the flame above the bowl but don't touch it to the material then take 2-3 hits and hold it in as long as possible. It will give off a pretty strong odor. How experienced are you with psychedelics? Since it is your first time it'd prob be best to start small like 10-15mgs. The smoke will feel somewhat harsh at first but that will go away in a few seconds. When I come off the peak I'll still feel some mild after effects for the next hour. You feel kinda tired but in a very relaxed way not that icky burnt out feel.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

I saw something on youtube about using a 2 liter bottle, I think I may do it that way (I dont have any pipes or nothing, i could buy some at the local ghetto store though).

I've done lsd hundreds of times, 2c-b 28mg once, shrooms a dozen times. I'm not sure I would consider myself experienced though, I dunno. I don't really do much, but I dont recall ever feeling like I couldnt handle a trip or anything.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

Strong orange/yellow from Marquis test. Did a small bump that I picked off a knife, probably 5-15mg, smoked it from a coke bottle method. It hit really hard, don't think I brokethrough or anything. But it just felt like full body duster.

There was a little psychedelia, strong patterns with closed eyes, felt like i was stuck/glued/sinking into the bed (Doesnt help that one of the bedposts is broken and you literally do sink into that corner of the bed), textures looked off, weird somehow. Fuck that shit. I dont even care to breakthrough. Back to baseline in like 10 minutes though. This shit's going in the trash.