☮ Social ☮ PD Social Thread: Trans-dimensional Hyperspace Cocktail Bar - Fractals Apply Within

[Roger&Me]

Wish You Were Here

love this album/song but always makes me think of michael

 

[pharmakos]

They sure are. Listened to Dark Side of the Moon already too.

I read this line from someone's trip report on 2C-P and MXE:

"Fear is the fear of fear."

I really like that. It's true, I think.

we have nothing to fear but fear itself

 

[Roger&Me]

boutta turn on a jam track in g major and "go exploring" as i call it, just play watever combination of modes and figure out wat sounds good and wat doesn't. i love playing lead man, having to finger chords is such a buzzkill unless they actually play into whatever tangent i'm going off on. love these little loops and circular complexities hidden in the modes. mixolydian (the 5 mode) is by far the most mysterious and weird. but every one has its own flavor.

 

[coelophysis]

I'm contemplating taking some 25b tonight even though it's getting late. Sometimes I like to trip all night when no one is awake, that's when my real creativity comes out.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I totally get that. Go for it Unless you have something in the morning.

 

[coelophysis]

Nothing to do in the morning. Some yard work to do in the afternoon if I feel like it. Or I could just do it the following day while my girlfriend is at work.
But I'm slowly yet steadily talking myself out of it. I just don't want to sleep in tomorrow. I feel like it would be rude on my girlfriends day off.

 

[Solipsis]

I'm not following you Sol. What do you mean.

Oh, just meant that I was about to ask on facebook if you wanted to join here, at which point you left (before I could actually ask) there and did just that: join here!

but never mind really... have you done some jamming lately, any experimental or improvisational musical ideas per chance?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I feel like I could be the protagonist of a Dostoevsky novel. This does not bother me.

I just don't want to sleep in tomorrow.

Beware of DST! If they have it in your state. Wait, was it you I was gonna ask about the ecig recommendations and general info? I was thinking about requesting one for my birthday, so I gotta figure out who I was gonna talk to.

Anyone here good at dealing with boredom?

I'm a fan of classic literature, and the odd bit of poetry. So, hobbies are the answer?

Living up to the name, although I wonder where the 'never' came from?

Avoiding the issue of applicability, the name comes from:

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Oh, I thought of something, lemme requote to introduce it

i guess its just that my way of dealing with adversity is to embrace it and take an almost perverse pride in my own suffering

Something we have in common.

In terms of psychedelic culture characters, would we be in Hunter S. Thompson's faction? I wonder if one could make a 2-axis, four quadrant spectrum and place the big names on it, kinda like categorizing the main schools of thought in PD. What would the axes be? Secular-Spiritual and Responsible-Revelrous, perhaps?

 

[coelophysis]

Beware of DST! If they have it in your state. Wait, was it you I was gonna ask about the ecig recommendations and general? I was thinking about requesting one for my birthday.

Yup. The clock just changed 20 minutes ago. I have tripped during Daylight Savings Time in the past and it didn't really phase me. Time in general doesn't really phase me when I'm tripping. But now the thought about how if I did take it when I said I was thinking about it I would be peaking right around now, which is oddly close to 4am, which is a bit too close to sunrise and all that. I would definitely be tripping well into the morning. Eh, maybe tomorrow night lol.

And it most likely was me with the e-cig recommendations. Not entirely sure. I think I may have told you to send me a PM (though I've told a few people to do that for recommendations.) I've been selling e-cigs and researching all of the specs on every new device that comes out for over a year now. I may even be getting a job with an actual distributor. Basically really rich businessmen with the money but not the know-how. They're investing 5 million into it and the guy who is hiring me pulls in 250k per year. So I don't know what that means for me but I plan to mark my knowledge with a pretty price tag if they want my knowledge and experience about the devices and the way the business works. It's time I put a little self worth and a price tag on one of the few things I'm actually nerdy enough to care about thoroughly.

But yeah, when you're ready to make the switch, send me a PM. I'll ask you some basic questions about your current habit (if any) and a price range, and I'll link you to what would most likely be the best starting spot for someone looking to get into vaping

 

[Roger&Me]

In terms of psychedelic culture characters, would we be in Hunter S. Thompson's faction?

haha its so funny you mention that, i was actually just thinking about that earlier. i think i do exhibit a thompson-like approach to the psychedelic experience, and life in general... its not even the approach that i necessarily most identify with, but its the one that seems to always be bubbling to the surface, like its just something innately inside of me.

I wonder if one could make a 2-axis, four quadrant spectrum and place the big names on it, kinda like categorizing the main schools of thought in PD. What would the axes be? Secular-Spiritual and Responsible-Revelrous, perhaps?

v. interesting idea

i would say the secular-revelrous faction could be further subdivided to a sort of "light" and "dark" spectrum, where the light side would be more aligned with kesey's pranksters, and the dark side more with thompson. who, as we know, was a huge fan of excessive drinking and stimulants and all sorts of everything you can imagine. i think he would have bee a fan of dissociatives too if they'd been more common in his day.

kesey's group, on the other hand, had a much lighter approach to psychedelia. not that they didn't exhibit hedonistic tendencies, but they seemed to approach hedonism much less self-destructively than thompson. i would be hesitant to put kesey's faction in the secular-responsible category though, as they made boundary-pushing a sort of life's calling. and they were known to abuse stimulants quite a bit towards the end of that era.

then there's the "spiritual" side of the spectrum which i guess would be more leary-esque?

 

[coelophysis]

I love reading Thompsons work while he was binging on MDA. That shit could have been just as good of a movie concept as anything from Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas. Thompson is definitely my favorite author. I just think his observational skills were amazing. I'm not big on his sports writing or when he gets too deep into the politics (although I prefer that writing over the sports stuff, simply because I just don't have any interest in organized sports whatsoever.) Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a Thompson fan though, like I have to keep it in the closet. Even though I have loads of Steadman posters and every book Thompson has written, including the first edition of Hells Angels in hardcover and Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas first edition on paperback. I'm a first edition hipsterfag for sure. When it comes to books and vinyls, first editions are my kryptonite. But yeah, some Thompson fanboys are just face palm worthy. Especially when they carry around a tape recorder everywhere they go and go so far to emulate him that they actually even travel with a typewriter..Like c'mon. I remember you calling out a certain someone in the lounge one time. And as much as I love that poster I couldn't help but die laughing at your post about how he took the Thompson fanboy thing way too far.
I also love Hemingways work. Oh yeah, and Voltaire. Candide is one of my favorite books of all time.

Personally my favorite psychedelic spokesperson, as whacked out as his ideas could be at times, is Terence Mckenna. Food of the Gods is an amazing book by him.

 

[coelophysis]

I have nothing of significance in this post following my previous one. But I just realized I'm at 9,999 posts. I rarely pay attention to post counts but noticing that, I can't believe I have that many posts on a forum. I think if you were to combine every post count from every other forum I've ever post on it probably still wouldn't be as big of a number as it is on Bluelight. I guess that's what happens when you post on a forum that drugs are acceptable on.
Moral of the post though; I wouldn't want my 10,000th post to be anywhere else on the forum other than our beloved PD social thread. Here's to another 10k of mostly nonsense mixed in with some feels.

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My cursor totally gets lost in that if I hover it over that hah.

 

[effingcustie]

i would be in the leary/richard alpert camp i think the two of them make a very interesting duo. leary the political figure and alpert the spiritual guide. although it's kind of like richard alpert and ram dass are almost two separate people, and i am much more familiar with his work post-psychedelics.

 

[coelophysis]

Be Here Now is a book I can return to and read pretty much yearly. I actually just started reading it on the john again.

Good to see you custie

 

[xammy]

Hey when you say first love, you mean like childhood sweetheart / someone who you had a puberty crush on and who always kept registering as the potential 'one' you were meant for ? For me there was such a girl.......

My first love, as the first girl I ever fell in love. Not only a crush, something more. We dated like a year or something back in the day. It was like first real relationship for both of us therefore I feel that we have special kind of connection that is going to last a lifetime, even if we dont see each other in years it always feels so natural to meet her again.

I woke up today and didnt realize first what happened yesterday, seemed like a dream

Life seems to have a purpose once again. I have missed feeling like this. All of this is worth the possible broken heart.

 

[PepperSocks]

Xorkoth

PepperSocks, I'm glad you took the plunge and mixed those two. I'd like to hear more about how it went

It was good in the way that all MDMA experiences bring an insight to me in some way. I can't recall ever taking MDMA and not seen a different angle of something.

On the other hand, I am at fault for it being 'okay' in the fun euphoria department. Meth has desensitized me to that ecstatic state. I have to wash out for a long time to get it back again. That's just the way it is. I didn't notice any major effect from the 5-APB, but then again 175mg of MDMA on it's own should have me rolling face, so I won't chalk it up to material.

Since that night I've stayed away because I've been guilty as fuck, and it took Soli to persuade me to come back. I know what I learned from that MDMA insight; I saw how meth makes me edgy on a deeper level than the normal jitters and comedown. It's an impediment to my authentic happiness, and I see how it does that, and the myriad reasons why I should stop. Two days later, recovered from comedowns, knowing I still have meth, knowing that giddy kick it'll give me I got back into it again. I'm using it in a way that hallucinations aren't very prevalent, but I did already have one night of missed sleep and some paranoid auditory hallucinations. It's one of those things that once it's fully cleared out of my system and I'm not feeling any dopamine deficiency I'll be fine, but as long as the memory of the giddy comeup is there, some is still lingering in my system, and I have material at the ready, it's hard to resist.

This is by far the most addictive drug in the short-term I have ever used. Once clean it's easy to be abstinent, but once high, it triggers a compulsion to continued use. As of now the small shards are gone, only 2 big rocks, and I hate breaking rocks on a whim. That psychological barrier will help me clean out for the next while. I've heard this sort of thing before though, time is the only true test.

I have this thing, when I have rare drugs in my possession, Im saving them for special occasions..

I very much relate when it comes to psychedelics. Drugs with easier, and simpler effects it can be a bit hard though. Friday night, nothing to do, have.. opiates, benzos, and/or stims? No problem.

I have this thing, when I have drugs in my possession, I'm not sober.

Meth in a nutshell. I'm absolutely gobsmacked how a methyl group can do so much. Regular amp would last me forever. This stuff with it's heady high just wants me to keep consuming it, the minute difference of an N-methyl is astounding. I thought oral dosing would be like how I did regular amp, but I could do regular amp and be happy with my grooving high, not constantly desiring more. In a way it's a detraction from the high itself; to want more. When high you should be satiated and comfortable. Meth is findamentally different though; very heady, the most psychedelic non-psychedelic ever. I'm pretty sure serotonin release plays a big part in it, and why it's mucked up MDMA for me. And how it's likely more neurotoxic.

Sorry for the tangent You're quote rang home on the 'I have it, I'm doing it' pattern that I'm stopping by not breaking rocks.

yeah i would imagine that Finland is much less scary than the USA, no joke.

I would imagine Finland is much less scary than Canada too. It amazes me how many european cops don't carry side-arms. They have pepper spray and batton, but no lethal handgun.

I must admit I'm always more guarded in the states. I think it's more to do with uncertainty; I'm not as familliar with the laws, or attitudes of the local cops. To get caught down there would scare the pants off me. Are these 'slap on wrist; clean the park for a day' judges or well, something much worse? Where you do a crime is where you get punished for it, and let's just say I'd rather be caught of a crime in Canada.

I always get a wave of catharsis when I pull away from customs in the northbound direction. It's like "I did it, after all that, all those cop cars I saw, could have been charged six ways from Sunday, but no, here I go, on my merry way".

I've done some dumb as fuck shit though, things I'll never do again. When young you think you're invincible, do it right and you won't get caught. Ugh, in one case if they were more thorough I don't know what would have happened to me. Knock on wood, I'm good at being confident and calm in high pressure scenarios.

Damn you guys talk a lot in a week. I started reading at page 103 and stopped at 115. I already lost an hour b/c of DST and then you guys just added to it.

 

[xammy]

lol quotes from what, 20 pages ago? :D

Cops carry weapons here in Finland. I think UK is one of those places where they don't

 

[effingcustie]

yes, i too return to be here now quite often. every time there is something different that stands out to me and addresses whatever is happening in my life perfectly. i actually havent read it for a couple years now though i think.

i recently read another one of his books "the only dance there is" that was interesting. i think it's basically just transcripts of lectures he was giving right after returning from india and he talks more about LSD than he did in the years to follow (seems like he tends to acknowledge the importance of its role in his life/development of consciousness or whatever but doesn't want to talk about it much) so its cool to hear his perspective on it being not too far from his days as an acid freak but having given it up after his trip to india.

 

[coelophysis]

Since that night I've stayed away because I've been guilty as fuck, and it took Soli to persuade me to come back. I know what I learned from that MDMA insight; I saw how meth makes me edgy on a deeper level than the normal jitters and comedown. It's an impediment to my authentic happiness, and I see how it does that, and the myriad reasons why I should stop. Two days later, recovered from comedowns, knowing I still have meth, knowing that giddy kick it'll give me I got back into it again. I'm using it in a way that hallucinations aren't very prevalent, but I did already have one night of missed sleep and some paranoid auditory hallucinations. It's one of those things that once it's fully cleared out of my system and I'm not feeling any dopamine deficiency I'll be fine, but as long as the memory of the giddy comeup is there, some is still lingering in my system, and I have material at the ready, it's hard to resist.

Don't feel guilty, that's just the way that shit is. I've only ever had 500mgs of meth and I managed to dose it and get sleep at night and wait a day or two and then do another dose. I think I dosed 4-5 times with the half of a gram over a week. I didn't like it at all. I kept hoping I would come around to liking it but it just made me feel like shit. I snorted it, swallowed it, and plugged it. But no matter the ROA that I went with I just plain old did not enjoy the high. It made me look like I was rolling balls as well which is not what I look for in stimulants. That's why I prefer regular amphetamine. I can be on it, and no one will know in public. I'm cool, confident and don't look drugged up. With Meth I was all sweaty, jittery, and had a sense of worry from the moment it kicked in. Not my kind of high at all. If I want to look like I'm rolling, I'll roll lol.

i recently read another one of his books "the only dance there is" that was interesting. i think it's basically just transcripts of lectures he was giving right after returning from india and he talks more about LSD than he did in the years to follow (seems like he tends to acknowledge the importance of its role in his life/development of consciousness or whatever but doesn't want to talk about it much) so its cool to hear his perspective on it being not too far from his days as an acid freak but having given it up after his trip to india.

I'll be sure to check out "the only dance there is." It sounds pretty interesting.

 

[PepperSocks]

That's why I prefer regular amphetamine. I can be on it, and no one will know in public. I'm cool, confident and don't look drugged up.

Bingo, and ditto. Someone who knows me well can see it in me for sure. Meth is just too much; meth is a raging bull and regular amp is a dairy cow. Man I love regular amp. Clean, smooth energy, great for outdoor physical activity, happy-go-lucky good days in the real world. Meth is a mongless roll. It only really works well (or its version of 'well') getting into at home, in an almost psychedelic-esque commitment to set/setting, because it's so intense. No ROA makes it like regular amp. I've found the best ROA to get what the meth high really is, is vaporizing. Quick onset, direct, mental high. It also lessens duration as material isn't sitting in the gullet leeching out over time. I tried to view it as the north american version of amp, but it is so unlike amp. They're so incredibly different.

It's got something there for me, I wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't, but it's no toy. Meth is mack-daddy of stimulants; crack isn't even as good. I didn't do a ton of crack, but meth just has that supreme status analogous to DMT being king psychedelic, K being king dissociative, Heroin being king opiate. It represents the highest level in it's genre, but after scratching it off my bucket list, less is more. Regular amp FTW.