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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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They've never caused me any kidney problems in the 3 years or more ive been taking etiz, i was taking 35-50mg at the peak, and have regularly been on 25mg. I find them good for my stomach as in they increase my appetite. Are you drinking enough fluids to keep yourself properly hydrated ? I'd get that checked out, it's possibly completely un-related. Ive never heard anyone else mention kidney problems due to etiz (or any other benzo)
 
I think its my back tbh and my kidneys are jus a deluded worry of mine but i definitely get stomach pains after waking up after a hefty dose , the stomach pains are not from etiz then? 35mg fook i cant imagine getting that deep (well i can but i dnt want too) are u still on 25mg ??? And no about fluids definitely not enough
 
around 15mg at the moment. The pains could be from the etiz, but thats the first ive heard of it. Do they get worse if you take a bigger dose ? There may be something up with your kidneys that needs checking out. Keeping well hydrated should help a lot. I drink loads of water, and am not big on alcohol.
 
Benzos are the only "drug regret" I have....and that includes brutal and long bouts with heroin, IV coke, crack, IV meth, methadone, etc etc etc....I started using them regularly well over a decade ago due to the stress involved with my previous illegitimate occupation...after the shit hit the fan with that and I served my time I had some serious PTSD, and have been off and on them since. Never quite returned to baseline, hence the getting back on part. I never made it more than 6 months without...I suspect if I would have given it time I would have recovered..

I have never done a proper Ashton taper until the last ten months...it was always a quick taper or CT, and the ensuing seizures, anxiety, and never ending PAWS. I'm hoping that by doing it "by the books" this time I can repair the damage done. With benzos it isn't just a matter of down regulation...it is increasingly believed that the actual conformation of the GABA-A receptors is changed along with down regulation, so your endogenous GABA just doesn't activate the receptor properly. Fucked!

I was maintaining on 60mg of etizolam a day for 2012, up to 100mgs some days....as I've said before, I successfully was able to taper down to 6 mg etiz but got stuck there...it is a shite one to taper. Switched over to 60 mg diazepam (which was more than adequate...in retrospect and from my experience 1mg etiz is roughly equal to 6 mg diazepam, not the 10 often reported...and they both hit vastly different receptor subtypes....but the switch from etizolam to diazepam was almost painless) and have tapered down to 11mg diazepam the past 11 months. Pretty easy until lately...now comes the miracle mile, from ten to zero, where things will really start to get interesting. ...slow and steady wins the race!

Very useful drugs, but abuse them or use them chronically and there is a good chance you will be in the most unpleasant sustained experience of your life. Taper taper taper! Glutamate induced neurotoxicity is no joke, and takes ages to recover from....some people who boshed the fuck outta benzos for years and then stopped without an appropriate taper have reported never feeling the same again, even years down the line, or have died. Strong medicine need respect, such danger, much unpleasant, yada yada yada..

Be careful. Foresight is so much more useful than hindsight!
 
Hello, I'll keep this short and sweet-
Been bashing the Valium more than usual and have go a through maybe 350mgs from zero tolerance in the space of few days.

Will stop cold turkey give me any serious withdrawal symptoms, like seizures?
I'd expect rebound anxiety but I always though seizures were reserved for long time abuse.

Just thought I'd double check here, thanks a lot. <3
 
Okay, cheers. That's what I expected, but I'm used to just taking them at the end of stim sessions, so don't really know the ins and outs of them.

Thanks a lot!
 
That is a lot for a person with zero tolerance, most people with zero tolerance 5mg is enough to sort a come-down, when I started taking Valium for my symptoms I took 50mg every morning before I left the house, but that is not good HR advice, just what I had to do to cope with life. 8(
 
i dont know what the fuck is up with my biology, but evrn after huge breaks, even the firstt time i used them, i found anything under 30mg wouldnt do much for me at all.
same with opiates, i never had that period where id get a buzz off 100mg codeine. my first recreational dose was 200mg and i wadntt blown away. it makes me want to piss blood when i see someone nodding from a couple codeine and a bluey!
im not dicksizing, im just a bit o an anomoly.
he did say he has taken them in the past for stim comedowns so his tolerance probably wasnt absolutely nil. theres also cross tolerance with booze to consider, i suppose.

uugh, could handle a couple drinks and a hanful of benzos now but im destitute....
 
Alright I've taken about 5mg xanax already, did a CWE earlier for codeine 500mg and it has been shit nothing really too much and it's been 1 and a half hours. I've no weed to normally kick the slight nod in. So I'm thinking of just taking like another 3-4mg of xanax here since im off work tomorrow and getting fucked. Will I be fine tomorrow and is this a safe combo, I know opiates+benzos lead to easy od, but I have nothing close to a nod here, I'm actually a bit frustrated and without weed would really like an evening fix. Don't have any alcohol to aid this either...some red cactus jack, it wouldn't go off after sitting there for months would it after being half drunk?

AHHHHHHH Could do with some antihistamines/cyclazine/something else just to push this...Also forgot to say I took 4mg xanax last night and was fine, 2mg i feel but doesn't really have my balance affected at all really, just more complete anxiety release.
 
Fuck mixing alcohol with Opiates mate and Xanax and drink are a dangerous combo, for me anyway (blackouts), I would defoe stick to the weed, anything above 300mg Codeine just makes me itchy as fuck, I'm ammune to it now, I don't think Xanax is recreational unless mixed with an Opiate its a lot more medicinal for me but that's just me, I prefer Clonaz/Temaz for that nice feeling,

I've not had Xanax in ages promised myself to take a break and just stick to Valium for a while so that my tolerance would drop back to a reasonable level after abusing bars and Klonopin, and now it's been enough time for me to get some more again, happy days just not gna abuse them this time :)

Talking of opioids I tell you what has really helped me surprisingly over the last few days, Tramadol, I've had it a million times before (back pain), but I've been going through a period of a lot of stress lately and since being back on Tramadol with it's SNRI/Opiod properties, my stress/anxiety and pain of course levels have dimmed right down %)
 
Bit of a weird question but does anyone know whether benzos are acidic or basic? Can't have anything acidic for a while so I'm trying to figure out whether to lay off the xanax or not.
 
As far as I'm aware, most benzos on the market (prescribed or otherwise) are in freebase form, hence the fact UK heroin is so easily cut with them.

Whether that has any bearing on whether the pills themselves will affect your stomach I don't know. I'd imagine you'll be fine though.
 
trammies said:
Been bashing the Valium more than usual and have go a through maybe 350mgs from zero tolerance in the space of few days.

Will stop cold turkey give me any serious withdrawal symptoms, like seizures?
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Valium is nice, because it has such a long half-life. That's why it's used as a tapering benzo. I don't think you'll get "in your face" -type of withdrawals with Valium, like with Xanax or some other short half-lifed benzo.
 
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