Lately, I find myself wanting to use tramadol and codeine less and less. I almost find myself repulsed by it. At first, I started to dislike it because it would make me super horny but I could not "relieve" myself. Now it just doesn't interest me when I have the time to use it. I find myself wanting to use benzos instead though they knock me out. Is this tolerance?
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Opioids Tolerance or boredom?
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It's probably a combination of tolerance and familiarity with the high. Time to move up the opioid ladder to bigger and more addicting drugs. May I suggest hydrocodone or oxycodone. Then after you get bored of those move up to the big h- heavenly heroin.
Mr.Scagnattie
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Tolerance is simply your body needing more and more of a substance to achieve the same effect.. if you're all the sudden randomly not wanting to use anymore, while it could be because of an increasing tolerance, it sounds like there's something else going on as the word "repulsed" is pretty strong, and nobody gets "repulsed" by their DOC just because they're tolerance is increasing.. or if they're bored for that matter..
But, whatever it is.. what does it matter? If you don't want to use anymore, than don't use.
Yeah.. great advice man. Encouraging people to use harder and harder drugs, then eventually start doing heroin is really cool.. I hope you were being sarcastic, but even still, that's not funny at all.
But, whatever it is.. what does it matter? If you don't want to use anymore, than don't use.
Yeah.. great advice man. Encouraging people to use harder and harder drugs, then eventually start doing heroin is really cool.. I hope you were being sarcastic, but even still, that's not funny at all.
lolwhatzdrugs
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@feelgood Indeed, stupid to post.
Most addicts here would tell you to count your blessings and forget the word "opiate."
Not that benzos won't send you down a path of pain equal or greater to heavy opioids.
Most addicts here would tell you to count your blessings and forget the word "opiate."
Not that benzos won't send you down a path of pain equal or greater to heavy opioids.
Lightning-Nl
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It all depends on what you're taking them for. If you're taking drugs for recreation? Then yes. I've never heard of a single story where recreational drug use has not turned into an addiction. Keep in mind, however, that I'm talking about psychological addiction. Physical addiction doesn't apply. If you take opioids for recreation, chances are, you're going to rely on them for psychological relief. If you take benzodiazepines for recreation - chances are you're going to depend on them for psychological relief.
Personally, I take Benzodiazepines every day for medicinal purposes. Recently, it has come to my attention that I may have REM Sleep Movement Disorder. Oh which the typical treatment are benzodiazepines. However, I also experience horrible RLS. It gets so painful at times that my legs feel like they're on fire. Benzodiazepines gives me relief from that horrid pain, and allow me to sleep without having to suffer. For some reason, I've never really experiences psychological addiction with Temazepam. I've taken more than I've should before, but I've always gone back down to my prescribed dose within a few days.
For some reason, Benzo's aren't something that I've experienced Psychological addiction with. I'll admit, that's likely because I take them, only when I need them (Temazepam is everynight, but you get my point) and follow my medication guidelines. It also helps that I have a limited supply of the stuff (I can only get thirty 30 milligram capsules once every 30 days) and I know just how terrible nights will be if I don't take the Temazepam as prescribed.
Don't get me wrong. I am DEFINITELY physically addicted to Benzodiazepines. If I run out (which has happened before) life just becomes a nightmare. First I get really bad vertigo which progresses to vertigo + tinnitus. Then after a couple hours of that and feeling nauseous... that's when the anxiety hits. You thought you had anxiety problems without Benzo's?! Well you've obviously never experiences Benzodiazepine withdrawal before. The lack of sleep coupled with the incredibly intense, constant anxiety; makes BZD withdrawal a nightmare.
Let me tell ya from past experience... Sleeping (roughly) 6 hours every three days for over a month was the worst experience of my life. Although, I'm glad it happened. I was heavily binging on Ambien and Lorazepam at the time. It really taught me a lesson and showed me that intense, long-term, Benzodiazepine addiction is not something that you want to go through.
I am not addicted to anything. I could easily decide to stay home and do drugs, suck dick for money and scam for meds. But I don't. Drugs are not my life. Actually, detoxing is therapeutic for me. The closest thing that I am addicted to is chocolate chip cookies.
Wasted_talent
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^Yeah insomnia is a nightmare, no pun intended.
It hit me in my early twenties. Luckily, being in Holland the Doctors used jellied benzo's as a first line of treatment.
This would work one night, then flake out the next.
These days I tend to use sleep hygiene techniques, and if all else fails pop a 5mg Diazepam, or 1mg of Clonazepam. Clonnies last for ages but take one hour plus to get working. Diazepam has a quicker onset but tails off after about 4 to 5 hours.
Back on topic, boredom sucks, acclimatized boredom is just a fact of life.
I wouldn't say to dive head first into stronger opiates, but perhaps to diverge into something like poppy-pod-tea.
Personally I didn't really understand Tramadol, almost like a slightly uncomfortable dream that'd last 11 hours. Similar effect from poppy-pod-tea.
Morphine IV after a burns injury was totally and utterly different. Not a care in the world, chatty, light as a feather. Even while 3 nurses were bursting gargantuan blisters from head to toe.
I don't think this state is appropriate for everyday life though, not to mention the addictive nature of the beast. It'll only serve to make the situation worse in the long term.
Best of luck
It hit me in my early twenties. Luckily, being in Holland the Doctors used jellied benzo's as a first line of treatment.
This would work one night, then flake out the next.
These days I tend to use sleep hygiene techniques, and if all else fails pop a 5mg Diazepam, or 1mg of Clonazepam. Clonnies last for ages but take one hour plus to get working. Diazepam has a quicker onset but tails off after about 4 to 5 hours.
Back on topic, boredom sucks, acclimatized boredom is just a fact of life.
I wouldn't say to dive head first into stronger opiates, but perhaps to diverge into something like poppy-pod-tea.
Personally I didn't really understand Tramadol, almost like a slightly uncomfortable dream that'd last 11 hours. Similar effect from poppy-pod-tea.
Morphine IV after a burns injury was totally and utterly different. Not a care in the world, chatty, light as a feather. Even while 3 nurses were bursting gargantuan blisters from head to toe.
I don't think this state is appropriate for everyday life though, not to mention the addictive nature of the beast. It'll only serve to make the situation worse in the long term.
Best of luck
ghostandthedarknes
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It sounds like a combo of tolerance and getting bored with the drug. I kinda had the same shit with hydrocodone.
lolwhatzdrugs
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WTF are you talking about? You're talking about not wanting to (getting sick of taking) take the least potent opioids that exist, and yet you're talking about detoxing? Tolerance would cause you to want to take more and more to achieve the same effects, so getting tired of them could be caused by tolerance, or you could just be sick of the effects. This is a subjective determination, which we can't tell you for sure. If you wait two weeks and tramadol still sucks then it wasn't tolerance.
Do not assume it is tolerance and try stronger opioids.
I wasn't referring to all drugs being bad, merely that if he's looking for a buzz, benzos aren't the way to go.
Psychological addiction and physical addiction almost always come hand in hand, but it is not a constant. Pain patients are physically dependant, but don't meet the criteria for addiction (if they're using as prescribed).
If you're taking opioids for recreation you could be taking them for several reasons from just to feel normal (without the high, recreational here meaning in a non medical context, not necessarily seeking a high), to get high merely for the high, or getting high to numb yourself psychologically, or to actually kill pain as an analgesic.
Your last sentences don't make much sense. If you're taking them recreationally, you might just want fun, you might now NEED them for physical relief, or you might need them for psychological relief+getting high, or just psychological relief. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but people take drugs for a multitude of reasons, and with these two classes - physical addiction always applies!
Wasted_talent
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Tried the non-drugs route drdmike mentioned, 4 years to clear the cobwebs away.
To be honest I thought drugs may have messed up my head in some way, cannabis in particular, but subjectively speaking I was fuked before ever using anything.
There seems to be a difference in physical and psychological addiction. Most if not all psychoactive drugs have a ratio of both. Opiates seem to be the hardest hitting in both aspects, so it's worth treating with utmost care and respect.
Benzo's are a weird one for me. I can dose daily or nightly for months on end, but capping at 15 mg max per day, then just stop without tapering for weeks without feeling worse than I usually do when sober anyway.
Like drdmike I tend to snooze post benzo though. First off thought it'd make me less anxious socially, but just makes me wanna crash.
The only day time benzo's that work here are Librium, up to 50 mgs without sleepiness as well as Diazepam 5mg yellows or 10mg blues at a low dose. Xanax could be considered also, but if worried about addiction probably best to stay clear as the onset and half-life are 'blink and you'd miss it' quick. Not to mention the horrible taste, yes I'm talking to you upjohn.
To be honest I thought drugs may have messed up my head in some way, cannabis in particular, but subjectively speaking I was fuked before ever using anything.
There seems to be a difference in physical and psychological addiction. Most if not all psychoactive drugs have a ratio of both. Opiates seem to be the hardest hitting in both aspects, so it's worth treating with utmost care and respect.
Benzo's are a weird one for me. I can dose daily or nightly for months on end, but capping at 15 mg max per day, then just stop without tapering for weeks without feeling worse than I usually do when sober anyway.
Like drdmike I tend to snooze post benzo though. First off thought it'd make me less anxious socially, but just makes me wanna crash.
The only day time benzo's that work here are Librium, up to 50 mgs without sleepiness as well as Diazepam 5mg yellows or 10mg blues at a low dose. Xanax could be considered also, but if worried about addiction probably best to stay clear as the onset and half-life are 'blink and you'd miss it' quick. Not to mention the horrible taste, yes I'm talking to you upjohn.
lolwhatzdrugs
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This would be a good way to describe it. Cannabis has low physical dependence, but many are psychologically addicted. I would throw benzos in there with opioids, they usually have both (when not used as intended). Cocaine and most stimulants also lack acute WD symptoms (true ones brought on from physical dependence, they merely have the crash which is similar I suppose), but they sure as fuck are addictive.
Wasted_talent
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I think most things lose their flare after a while.
Circumstances probably have alot to do with it also.
For instance, the same surroundings may in fact negate the effect of the substance your using. Maybe just being bored in the place you usually hang-out could count towards some of the feelings you've been having.
It isn't easy to peel ourselves away from all the tech, warmth, familiarity we've become accustomed to.
Best practice is to blitz your flat, house, room or whatever so it's nice and fresh and all those niggling annoyances are out of the way.
Then get out!
Changing from introspective to prospective can really amp up your high.
Circumstances probably have alot to do with it also.
For instance, the same surroundings may in fact negate the effect of the substance your using. Maybe just being bored in the place you usually hang-out could count towards some of the feelings you've been having.
It isn't easy to peel ourselves away from all the tech, warmth, familiarity we've become accustomed to.
Best practice is to blitz your flat, house, room or whatever so it's nice and fresh and all those niggling annoyances are out of the way.
Then get out!
Changing from introspective to prospective can really amp up your high.
Wasted_talent
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Hey lolwhatzdrugs.
I agree with what your saying. Cannabis for sure is very much psychological, a state of mind to the point of becoming the stoner persona.
When first getting in the zone I became really outgoing, laughing and joking.
I never get an effect to this extent anymore, tbh I prefer to be alone when stoned. It's not tolerance, more just being accustomed to the effects. There's no surprise.
Stimulants have a scarily moreish quality, even after days and days and the productive effect has long since worn out. As mentioned in other threads it's good not to over focus on one thing for too long as is easily done with amphetamine.
Shut down the computer, run a hot bath, take a step back, eat and sleep. It's actually really nice to lie down after a session, and wait for uncle benzo to show.
I agree with what your saying. Cannabis for sure is very much psychological, a state of mind to the point of becoming the stoner persona.
When first getting in the zone I became really outgoing, laughing and joking.
I never get an effect to this extent anymore, tbh I prefer to be alone when stoned. It's not tolerance, more just being accustomed to the effects. There's no surprise.
Stimulants have a scarily moreish quality, even after days and days and the productive effect has long since worn out. As mentioned in other threads it's good not to over focus on one thing for too long as is easily done with amphetamine.
Shut down the computer, run a hot bath, take a step back, eat and sleep. It's actually really nice to lie down after a session, and wait for uncle benzo to show.
literally made me LOL
DementiaSavantPlus
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The oversexed feeling is what finally compelled me to quit Adderall for good, so I definitely understand this dilemma. It started to happen literally every time I dosed, relentlessly.
Lightning-Nl
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Said every addict ever.
Mr.Scagnattie
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^^
Hah this.
"But I'm not addicted!"
*rolls eyes*
Hah this.
"But I'm not addicted!"
*rolls eyes*
DETROIT*edm*JUNKIE
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drugs... they become routine, the highs become a place of familiarity, the process is no longer an adventure for you.
if you want to use benzo's instead, go ahead and try a few benzo's. all they are going to do is make you sleepy and not really care much.
you sound bored tbh.
if you want to use benzo's instead, go ahead and try a few benzo's. all they are going to do is make you sleepy and not really care much.
you sound bored tbh.
lolwhatzdrugs
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You make fun of the guy but I am an addict and can stop whenever I want! In fact I'll stop right now....
In fact, I have such self control, I'll even stop for an hour!
Indeed. I wish more people knew this about opioids, the honeymoon phase fades fairly rapidly. I was convinced it would last forever, then one day I'm shoveling 13 roxis down my throat, to achive a high that has gotten old and somewhat boring. You become strapped in a roller coaster, super glued to the seats.
For someone as inexperienced as this guy benzos can be a disastrous road to travel down. You will chase a high which is fleeting, or really isn't ever there, the whole time being completely fucked up while feeling sober. Benzos are subtle drugs, and if you can't appreciate a .25-1 mg dosage of a stronger one with no tolerance then they are not for you. I couldn't - at first, and was popping 2-3 2mg xanaxs at a time to achieve what I thought was a high, it never came and I merely looked like an asshole. Luckily I never developed a physical dependency.
Drugs are not a cure for boredom, if you treat them as such you may end up strapped into the roller coaster I mentioned, wondering what the fuck you're still doing on this ride. You shall reach a point where you have been down the same tracks 1000+ times and want off.
I wish I could count the number of people I know who assured me that their will was too strong to be bent by a mere pill, that only the weak fall victim to addiction - and now they're snorting and shooting dope!