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Going back to feral instincts on psychedelics

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Hi all, haven't posted for awhile. Just wondering if you guys have noticed people reverting back to their feral instincts while tripping, especially on shrooms. Recently a buddy did an 8th for his first time and he was acting the way humans acted thousands of years ago. He was crawling around, had no concept of language and was just grunting, he ended up taking his clothes off, and also shit himself at one point. I was rolling as this was happening actually and I observed that the modern way of living had pretty much been eliminated from him. Anyone have any experience either feeling or observing this?
 
I have seen an old man with brain cancer do this.
basically
brain not functioning very well at all.
everything is much too complex.

personally when it is intense I need my clothes off, but I don't grunt or make a mess.
 
Ya he said he's not going to shroom again. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and it was nothing but a guy getting too fucked up but it just seemed like he was a feral human
 
There's a story in 'Living with the Dead' a book by the Grateful Dead's manager Rock Scully about an occassion when they took, I think, DOM in what must've been a high dose and reverted to a primative caveman type mindset & roamed about the hills being feral. That's the only example I recall.
 
Mushrooms generally give me the sensation of feeling very 'primal' and 'instinctual', which is exactly why i enjoy them.. i feel like my focus is running directly off instinct and my emotions are channeled through this primal understanding of myself, what i say, how i convey it, the way i walk.. my entire physical being feels in synchronization with the world around me.. the very earth im walking on feels perfectly molded for my feet.. everything is fluid.

However.. never quite to the point where i've lost control over my bowel movements or lost the ability to stand.
 
I agree that psychs just aren't for some. Unlike your friend who went a bit loopy off an 8th (3.5 grams?), I still managed to keep my shit together when things went south on more than double that dosage while inside a VERY busy nightclub.

Some minds just aren't prepared for certain things. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them, nor is it necessarily a bad thing :)
 
I agree with malakaix, it's whats nice about it :)

But yeah, when the ego is peeled away, the ID is whats left I guess, the animal.
 
trozzle said:
I agree that psychs just aren't for some. Unlike your friend who went a bit loopy off an 8th (3.5 grams?), I still managed to keep my shit together when things went south on more than double that dosage while inside a VERY busy nightclub.

Some minds just aren't prepared for certain things. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them, nor is it necessarily a bad thing :)
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What does a prepared mind entail?
 
That's something I probably can't really elaborate on lol...perhaps just a firm grasp of what reality should be, as well as understanding that whatever happens or whatever you begin to think, is just the effect of the drug.


Obviously there's a point around ego-death where the above goes out the window regardless of how "strong" your mind is. Thankfully I didn't hit that point, even though my internal dialogue was pretty much entirely silenced and shit didn't make sense. I do recall thinking to myself (and mind you, this is pretty much the ONLY thought I could manage) over and over "This is just the chemical. You'll return from this. Just get yourself home"....and hey, I did :P
 
For some people ego death is a terrifying prospect, if they are afraid of themselves or unwilling to experience and/or accept that there may be more to consciousness than it seems. But to others ego death is a beautiful, life-affirming and even life-changing experience that we can hope happens from time to time.
 
^^^ Truth. Personally I love ego death, even though it's still scary. It's like stepping into that long, pitch black tunnel, in which you've got no real idea what may (or may not) be lurking....only knowing that everything on the other end will be different to where you started in some way, big or small.

Without digressing too much further, I see psychedelic experiences as mostly recreational fun (with added lessons of course :P) - until we hit ego death. Once we dissolve the ego, subjective enjoyment goes out the window and these small life lessons turn into an effective PhD of sorts - as long as you're prepared to listen to the lecturer, you should be in for a wonderful ride. Ignoring him and fighting it will only see you fail the class in worrying fashion more often than not.
 
Know a guy who ripped a metal carpet divider clean out of the floor. Thing was screwed down. He thought spiders were coming out of it. He'd had 5 cups of mushroom tea. About 2 plastic shopping bags of fresh picked mushrooms went into the tea. No clue about actual weight 1/2 to 1 cup of this brew is enough, 2-3 cups off the planet, five and well.... yeah. It was another guys birthday so there were quite a few people to share it with... at least a two dozen at the time lol. Cooked it up in a massive pot strained the shrooms and shit got mental. Drinking whisky probably did not help. Like 1/2 a liter bottle.
 
Some people are more sensitive to psychedelics than others (some much moreso). An eighth of shrooms is not a small dose, so this isn't unheard of. My girlfriend consistently suffers thought loops and forgets where she is every time she takes more than ~125 mcg of LSD.
 
trozzle said:
That's something I probably can't really elaborate on lol...perhaps just a firm grasp of what reality should be, as well as understanding that whatever happens or whatever you begin to think, is just the effect of the drug.

Obviously there's a point around ego-death where the above goes out the window regardless of how "strong" your mind is. Thankfully I didn't hit that point, even though my internal dialogue was pretty much entirely silenced and shit didn't make sense. I do recall thinking to myself (and mind you, this is pretty much the ONLY thought I could manage) over and over "This is just the chemical. You'll return from this. Just get yourself home"....and hey, I did :P
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Does, "whatever happens", include completely losing your shit?
 
I don't believe anyone ever experiences "ego-death" on mushrooms, I think it's just a term Tim Leary made up in the 60s to make tripping sound respectable when he was talking to judges, the media etc.

Some people are simply liable to shit themselves or behave in a strange way when they've taken some kind of drug - people act in all kinds of strange ways when they've loosened their inhibitions a little.
 
Ismene said:
I don't believe anyone ever experiences "ego-death" on mushrooms, I think it's just a term Tim Leary made up in the 60s to make tripping sound respectable when he was talking to judges, the media etc.

Some people are simply liable to shit themselves or behave in a strange way when they've taken some kind of drug - people act in all kinds of strange ways when they've loosened their inhibitions a little.
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I don't know man I haven't seen this happening on other substances. Ya people get messy on alcohol but that is because they are physically sick. On shrooms it's like they become a different sub species of human, unable to function in 2014.
 
Perhaps you're tripping with people who either arn't ready for psychedelics or can't handle their high. Most people I know on mushrooms find it intellectual, beautiful and are consumed by euphoria and wonder. Crawling round shitting yourself reminds me more of alcohol.
 
I guess if the neocortex completely loses coherence the lower brain completely takes over. The neocortex or higher brain makes a lot of use of 5-HT2a receptors (which LSD acts on) among other similar oned, for sensibility. Most people are able to just recalibrate after taking LSD and adapt to their new state of consciousness.
 
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