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sleep paralysis >>>>> lucid dreaming

The kind of sleep paralysis I'm talking about is mind awake, body asleep. Your eyes are closed but you're still seeing the entire room, and there may be qualitative differences such as being able to see 360 degrees. If you can do this, you are effectively "out of body", it's just that you haven't actually stepped out. Trying to get out of your body feels like an electric sensation, which is what a lot of people in SP report when they try to move. It feels like some kind of magnetic field is holding them down. This is the etheric field of the body. Instead of thinking of getting out or how to do it, just think about where you want to go... i.e. my living room. And you'll be there. The same magnetic/electric feelings will be experienced when you eventually get back in. It feels like slipping back into a thick, dense mud.

I think you should try leaving your body and make your own empirical observations in that state before trying to qualify the nature of what is actually happening. It's a really cool experience and if you are friends with anyone else who can do it then you can meet up in that state and have conversations, which I've also done. There are plenty of ways to prove to yourself that the experience is real, but for people who are really attached to their consciousness exclusively being within their organic brain, the astral can be traumatic. So take it slow at first.


i get that astral SP just about everynight...last night i had three SPs. First one was weak and just ended up seeing visions in my eyelids, the second one was really weird. i ended up runing around this familiar house it was really dirty and was looking for this girl and there is like 200 rooms it was like a maze,i knew i was dreaming,then i heard a baby cry and i found it was coming from underneath a pile of clothes i get to the sound and the sound is coming from under the floor,and it started to say these really demonic things , at that point i decided to wake up.

my 3rd SP of the night was me just floating around the room i was sleeping in and bouncing off the walls and i really felt the walls.

oh and one was i was in this video game and actually playing the game,and i knew i was dreaming and whenever i snapped my fingers the gun would shoot. it was pretty cool

yah but mostly MY SP happens around 4:30-5:30 i get it more when i make my self look up with my eyes closed then BOOM the SP starts and the sounds come and i just get through that and its usually me floating around
or going to these weird houses and im looking for something and it feels like im really walking around..

TBH i get SP/LUCID/vivid dreams ALOT and astral project quite abit

i seem to go through these weird wormholes from time to time and end up in some alternate reality
 
Sleep paralysis and lucid dreaming

This has nothing to do with drugs (well it does, I'll get into that in a bit) but I think this is the best forum for it, because anyone who appreciates psychedelics, will naturally appreciate these two states. So firstly, sleep paralysis. It is one of the trippiest states I've encountered, and I've been blessed with getting regular sleep paralysis since I was a kid, I wish I knew a way to induce it so others can experience it. I think I may know a way to induce it with drugs, I'll get to that in a bit. In SP, you're laying in bed and your body falls asleep but your mind is still awake, so you are physically paralysed (thats pretty relaxing when you just go with it) and on top of that, you get these things called hypnagogic hallucinations which are insanely trippy. I can't describe how much fun it is laying there being bombarded by hallucinations, my god the things I've seen and heard (and felt), I've heard conversations, random music playing, even bizarre, high pitched alien noises, and I've seen these screaming, black heads flying around the room and zombies walking around the room, I've felt these energy waves ploughing through me, sometimes so intense I get worried that I'm gonna wake up with a ruptured kidney or spleen (it feels so real when its happening, you start to wonder if its really happening) then to top it off a dream eventually starts and you are still fully conscious so its a lucid dream. Then you basically get to go around and do whatever you want, in an imaginary dream world that feels just as real as the real world. Its like playing GTA but you're actually in the game, and the graphics are like real life. Its real frustrating not being able to share this experience with others, some people have never had a lucid dream before, god if only they knew what they're missing. I've gotten some friends to start doing frequent reality checks and keeping dream logs, but no success yet.

For inducing sleep paralysis, heres a list of drug classes to experiment with (taking them at bed time): benzos, z-drugs, GHB/GABA_b agonists, opioids, ritalin (with this you need to wait for the crash to be able to sleep) and short acting tryptamines like 5-MeO-DALT. Some people say benzos give them sleep paralysis, others (including myself) find that opioids induce it, and theres always an inverse relationship there, if benzos induce SP for you, opioids will make you immune to it and vice versa.

For lucid dreaming, it seems that acetylcholinesterase inhibitors help trigger it. I'm not suggesting one start huffing nerve gas, there are less potent inhibitos such as galantamine that one can use for this purpose. Thats a lot easier to dose safely than agents lol. You don't wanna have to rely on a drug to have LDs, but once you've had one lucid dream, your brain remembers the state so it'll start happening naturally. With me, all I have to do is think about lucid dreaming before bed and they'll happen. What happens is I'm in the middle of a random dream, then all of a sudden I realise its a dream. I usually think at first (if this was a dream I'd know it, I'm pretty sure this is real), then I think "wait a minute, this is a dream isn't it" and then I can go off and do whatever I want. The most fun thing to do in my experience is joyriding but there are endless things you can do. Just wandering around exploring is fun and fascinating. You can simulate real life events too, I regularly get in fights with dream characters and some of them pull knives on me and its so realistic, I make the very same mistakes that I'd make in real life. For example when the guy goes to stab me I instinctively grab the blade instead of his arm hand them end with a slashed hand (in dreams, getting slashed or stabbed hurts like hell). Like this you can rehearse and practice things in the dream world, without the consequences of doing it in real life. To cover all the interesting and useful things about lucid dreams I'd have to write a book, I'm not gonna do that since other people already have, heres a brilliant one:
http://obe4u.com/nature_of_obe_and_lucid_dreaming/free-ebook/
just skip to the practical section. I've been LDing my whole life, and I'm even learning plenty of things from that book, like techniques to reverse blindness (sometimes I go blind in lucid dreams which is a pain in the ass).
 
These topics have a history in the Philosophy & Spirituality forum so moving it there from PD. :)
 
Actually I've never heard that sleep paralysis would be enjoyable, its truly horrifying experience what I've heard from everyone who've had it. I think alcohol binges causes that pretty often when you're in withdrawal. My friend had it and he tried to scream as loud as he possibly could but you just cant do anything.
 
I'm sorry but sleep paralysis is terrifying, happens when I abuse too many SERT releasers. SP may be 'fun' for you but it's not something the majority of people will enjoy. What's really frustrating is when it happens back to back nonstop for the whole night leaving you exhausted but scared to go back to sleep because you know it's just gonna happen again.
 
I think you need to have had it enough times to get used to it, then its fun. I've had SP thousands of times, it gets scary and disturbing, its a good way to challenge yourself, and patch up weaknesses. If you just lie there and observe, without reacting at all to anything (thats pretty hard when your being swarmed by hallucinations, but when you do it, it clicks), the nature of it changes, it goes from negative to neutral. The technique is called Vipassana meditation but I learned it through trial and error in sleep paralysis. When it happens repeatedly like that, no matter what you do, the only way is to go through it into a dream. There are tricks to make dreams start, the best one is to pretend that you can leave your body, then wait for the right moment and sit up and get outta bed. Your in a lucid dream. Problem is I tend to wake up from lucid dreams, if I move I'll have to go through SP again, but if I lay there without moving a muscle, I'll go back into a lucid dream, and I stay in there until I lose lucidity.

This vipassana meditation thing works equally well for bad trips and psychosis. You need to be persistent and just observe everything, and react to nothing.
 
I'm sorry but sleep paralysis is terrifying, happens when I abuse too many SERT releasers. SP may be 'fun' for you but it's not something the majority of people will enjoy. What's really frustrating is when it happens back to back nonstop for the whole night leaving you exhausted but scared to go back to sleep because you know it's just gonna happen again.
Can you give some examples of "SERT releasers" that cause sleep paralysis for you. I'm looking for a reliable method of inducing sleep paralysis, so far all I've got are things that work for me, and a small percentage of people. Something I should mention is that how scary sleep paralysis is often depends on what substances you're on. The same way opiates cause nightmares, they make my SP darker. Its also way deeper/more intense, it gives me a shock when I go into it even though i can feel it coming well before. On opiates, I get scared much easier than usual, and its usually a shock cuz my emotions while awake are positive, then as soon as sleep paralysis hits me, they turn negative but what I've observed is thats temporary, the negative emotions and blasts of fear pass pretty quickly if you just lay there and observe them. If you're getting it repeatedly over and over again, then its the deep/intense kind of sleep paralysis you're getting. Thats scarier than the mild kind. I bet you can feel this pulsation thing in your head which lets you know in advance that you're gonna get sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is a lot like psychedelics, if you resist it and try to control it, it tends to turn into a bad trip, and when you stop resisting and just go with it, then you can have a good time. With the intense kind of SP, its much heavier so its harder to pull yourself out of it (and when you do get out of it, just relaxing for a second will make you sink right back in) and the hallucinations are more hardcore, it feels like they're dangerous and can injure you. For example, sometimes I get the sensation of being punched in the head or the nose just as I go into it, and I'm thinking "what the fuck, did that really happen" so I pull myself out of paralysis to assess the situation, and every time, I don't have a scratch, it was all in my head. The hallucinations can't actually hurt you, they can only mess with your head, and they can only do that if you react to them.

The only real dangers I think with SP would be suffocation or a heart attack. Sometimes I fall asleep with a blanket covering my face, and if I go into sleep paralysis like that, its pretty horrible cuz its hard enough to breath in SP without anything covering your face. But since you're bodies paralysed and immobile, it uses much less oxygen so you don't need to breath deeply, as long as you don't fall asleep face down in a pillow, I don't think theres much risk of suffociation. As for a heart attack, I suppose thats a valid concern, in SP I can hear/feel my heart beat clearly, and when I get a fright I feel my heart rate raise massively. Again, this can only happen if you're reacting, if you're not reacting, then you don't go into panic mode, when the automatic fight or flight response kicks in, you remember that you're just observing so it abruptly stops. Sleep paralysis is a blessing, if you get it then consider this: would you have the opportunity to observe the whole process of going from wake to sleep if you were immune to sleep paralysis? I've experienced some exceptions to this I have to admit, sometimes, especially on benzos, I instantly go from being awake to being in a lucid dream. Whats interesting is that whenever I start dreaming, I'm no longer paralysed, I can wake myself up at any time and never once have I woken up paralysed. Its like the body switches off the paralysis as soon as it detects you waking up, but why then doesn't it switch off the paralysis when your mind is 100% awake in SP. Lots of people do wake up paralysed though, they call them hypnopompic hallucinations as opposed to hypnogogic, I've never had this happen myself, and it seems the people who get hypnopompic SP, don't get the hypnogogic kind.


Sleep paralysis is some fascinating shit, its as interesting as lucid dreaming, although its usually a whole lot less pleasant. If you can get sleep paralysis, then you're almost guaranteed to be able to lucid dream. Sometimes when I just lay there and wait for a dream to start, its frustrating cuz it doesn't happen, but I can trick my brain into starting a dream by pretending I can leave my body. My brain then creates a scenario to coincide with that idea. Thats a tricky one though, because you're brain knows if you're pretending in some half assed attempt to trick it, you have to actually somewhat believe it, to do that just remember that you don't know shit about this reality thing, and maybe out of body experiences are possible.
 
I don't really get sleep paralysis any more, but I do get a lucid dream every now and then. Used to be more frequent during my teens. I started to get frustrated with myself because the desire for sex tended to infiltrate my motivations during the lucid moments. I'd wake up and be like "for fucks sake, you could try so much and all you did was go for sex". I got far more satisfaction by trying to manipulate elements in the scene, or flying. Strangely though every time I tried to fly I'd go up like 10m or so, and then hit a kind of invisible barrier.. or just fade back into a normal dream.

It's still nice to lucid dream, to break up the drudgery of waking life, but the amazement wore off. In fact now I don't really desire it any more because I think interrupting the normal sleeping pattern is detrimental; I feel dreaming is all about processing data from the waking life, in particular resolving emotions. Best to leave the body/mind to do its thing. Just my opinion though.

Having sex in lucid dreams is an advanced skill, I've heard of others being able to do it, but I haven't got there myself, I just wake up whenever I try. There are so many fun things to do which have the opposite effect, they keep the LD going, my favourite is joyriding cars. Keeping moving is the best way I know of to keep LDs going, and driving is the ultimate way to keep moving, especially when you constantly turn corners so your brain has to keep coming up with new sceneries. Oddly, flying doesn't do this for me, I often go blind (which happens right before waking up) in mid air, I think the key is to keep your brain constantly coming up with new scenery, if your way up in the sky then the scenery isn't changing rapidly like it is when your on the ground. However, I found a book (google obe4u) which provides loads of techniques for reversing this blindness, they call it "deepening techniques", and they work amazingly well. Nowadays whenever I go blind, I just drop to the floor and start feeling everything. Tactile sense is the last to fade away, when I'm fully blind I can still feel things. It doesn't matter what I feel, I just drop to the ground and feeling up anything around me, whether its grass or concrete and within seconds (about 15 seconds) my vision comes back 100%. If I keep doing it, then things go hypervivid, I can get my vision up to 150% which is quite trippy. In real life, the closest I've ever came to seeing like that is on psychedelics like shrooms which make everything more vivid, but even then its nothing compared to this hypervision in dreams. I have 20/20 vision, this must be completely mind blowing for people who have bad vision in real life.
 
Lucid dreaming

Who else can do this? When I experience this I can truly control my dreams. Ofton it is because I have had too much sleep and am dozing.

The reason I have put this thread into this section is that I have dreamt that I have done mdma and shrooms in my dreams and although I've never taken psychedelics, I have experienced the halluncinations in my dreams, which is a very surreal experience. I've poped pills in dreams and had the eye wobbles and gurned away. Its great, who needs drugs when you can experience it with no comedown and do what you want! Lol

Usually the lucid dreams are sexual, infact about 90% of them. Sometimes ithe opposite sex, but I'm always in control and get what I want, usually orgasiming multible times (this orgasim is heightend so much beyound normal climax its unreal, and all with the power of the mind, no touching!

I've also controlled the dream to produce what I want and experiement with e.g I found a box and I experiemented with 'putting something into the box' so when I opened it, that item would appear in the box. First time it didn't work and I would open the box and it would be empty, but then I slowly got the hang of it, and anything I imagined would appear in the box once opened.

I've also over come emtional responses in the dream. I.e in a sexual dream, I was at dinner with my whole family, and someone I fancied was across the table, and I wanted to control the dream to have sex with them, but was awear my family were present so would never have done anything like it. However, I knew it was a dream, so cleared the table with a back hand and crawled across to kiss and fondle the person at the other end, whilst my 'family' looked on in the background of my mind.

So, who else can do this? Or am I werid?
 
Lucid dreaming is fckin bangin..

I'm hoping to get back into it.. i need to work on controlling the dream without causing any of the detail to diminish.. I have no problem achieving lucidity but when i try and bend the rules of the reality it either doesn't work, doesn't work well or takes a lot of detail of the dream.. sometimes completely fcking the dream up, turning everything grey with less and less detail until.. yep.. That's the back of my eye lids.
 
Who else can do this? ... I have dreamt that I have done mdma and shrooms in my dreams and although I've never taken psychedelics, I have experienced the halluncinations in my dreams... who needs drugs when you can experience it with no comedown and do what you want! ...
So, who else can do this? Or am I werid?

I've been lucid dreaming since early childhood on a regular basis. I will tell you, doing any sort of drug--especially hallucinogens--does not match the real thing. I have "done" drugs in dreams before I had done drugs in real life, and have done drugs in real life then lucid dreamt it once more. It's not the same, and it can't be. And it won't be as satisfying.

The nature of lucid dreams are that they are like very vivid day dreams. As much as I've daydreamed about drugs in my life, I have never once said to myself "Whelp that was so much imagining dropping acid at a rave, I think I won't do it for real because I thought about it and that's all I need to be satisfied.

Lucid dreaming isn't all that weird.8)
 
Its a spiritual battle, they are sexual, shadows of the dead its more of a Ephesians 6:10-12 not a good place to enjoy
 
Its a spiritual battle, they are sexual, shadows of the dead. It more a Ephesians 6:10-12 not a good place to enjoy
 
I had sp last night I felt it coming and I heard these demons say something like

Is the deed done? And the other demon said yea take him

The. The next thing I know I was in the alternate universe of my room with demonic items everywhere and it's lit by a purple light

I knew I was dreaming next thing I know I go the through this portal and start lucid dreaming and walk around this house and enter the bathroom and see a shower and I made this old girl I uses to know appear in it but woke up before I could do anything

Other night lucifer dragged me to he'll in sp and literatly saw flames and lava then the portal came and I entered this alternate reality of dinosaurs that acted and talked and dressed like humans and I was eating lunch at work and walked and looked out a window and saw a huge Dino civilization

It was awesome
 
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