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Opioids dope sick morning after

Yep, the more you H you have the worse the systems get, until your so f#%ked you can't even crawl out of bed to score if you had a hundred bucks in your pocket. Personal experience, mate
 
NickKnowsMoreThnU said:
I hate it when people make drug usage a death sentence, or a life long problem. Personally I dont think anyones addicted, just extremely committed. Doing dope is like masterbating, after the first time you do it you continue to do it for the rest of your life, BUT if you wanted to stop you could. Dopesickness is a 3-7 day really really bad flu. But guess what guys, it goes away and you never have to go through it again, you'll always remember how great getting high was but eventually you have to pay the consequences of feeling that good. And yeah, you'll ALWAYS remember how great it was, but thats not all you have to think about, theres a lot of other good things in your life that you can think about.
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I totally disagree with you though I will acknowledge that it is a little different for everybody..especially regarding the difficulty in complete abstinence. Though your comments really make me question how much experience you have with heroin/how long you were using continuously....your comments are too nonchalant for someone who was very heavily involved for very long.
 
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Personally, I disagree with this. Though, before I ever started using drugs ( many years ago ), I would of totally agreed with your statement then. But once I entered the world of drugs, and mainly OPIATES, I REALLY changed, and for the worst to be honest. I very strongly believe addiction is a medical condition, a disease.

My father died when I was a young child about 7 years old, he OD'd on, thats right, you guessed it, opiates + alcohol. I am totally aware of the dangers and sadly I wouldn't be too surprised if I end up like my old man.

Doing something regardless of the fact that you are aware of the harm being done to your body as a consequence from what your doing is not right. It's messed up. Some people simply cannot control their the urge. We are all wired differently I guess.

Its a truly horrible thing, addiction that is.

I believe that NOT everyone has an addictive personality, if you may. Let me explain; not everyone that uses heroin gets totally addicted. There are a lot of people that just use it on recreation. No doubt about it. They can just use it whenever they want to, basically. We are talking weekly/monthly, but not daily. That is when you run into trouble.

Then on the other hand we have these certain individuals that will try Heroin for whatever reason, and theres no stopping for them. Give them time and they will be a full blow addict. Now what exactly it is that causes these individuals to have such intense drug craving 24/7, I'm not sure but it's a real thing. And a worryisome feeling at that.
 
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NickKnowsMoreThnU said:
I hate it when people make drug usage a death sentence, or a life long problem. Personally I dont think anyones addicted, just extremely committed. Doing dope is like masterbating, after the first time you do it you continue to do it for the rest of your life, BUT if you wanted to stop you could. Dopesickness is a 3-7 day really really bad flu. But guess what guys, it goes away and you never have to go through it again, you'll always remember how great getting high was but eventually you have to pay the consequences of feeling that good. And yeah, you'll ALWAYS remember how great it was, but thats not all you have to think about, theres a lot of other good things in your life that you can think about.
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You ever even done heroin..? Because from that description.. it sure doesn't sound like it.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
You ever even done heroin..? Because from that description.. it sure doesn't sound like it.
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Let me explain my attitude toward addiction.

Yes I do think it is a disease, Yes I believe it can be a life long illness. I also believe that you can put it behind you and never use again.

What I don't agree with is that everyone who has had a "HEROIN" addiction is a bad person who can not be trusted or change their life. I don't like the stigma created by society that especially heroin addicts are all pieces of trash. There are current and former addicts who are great mothers and fathers and employees and friends. People make mistakes, but people also change. Addict is a label that I am not comfortable with, and it makes me uncomfortable when others refer to themselves as addicts. Because most ADDICTS are so much more than that and shouldn't have to be reminded of that every day of their lives. What about these labels: SON DAUGHTER MOTHER FATHER GRANDPA GRANDMA FRIEND BEST FRIEND

Its my mind set for staying sober, and its been working for me so far.

I started with painkillers when I was 17 for 1 year, I did heroin for 4 years, IV. I went to rehab when I was 21, sober date 7/4/13.
 
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I'm sorry but addiction is not a disease. I've been through opiate addiction and went to rehab and got clean. To be honest it seemed like everyone there used the "addiction is a disease" line as a crutch, something to blame poor decisions on. It's a choice, not a disease. That terminology pisses me off. I stood up and took responsibility for my actions and didn't blame some "disease", and others should too.
 
Of course they recognize it, it's a highly profitable situation that they can "treat". It's all about money. But just bc the medical community says it is, that doesn't make it so.
 
If it was a true disease I would be able to collect disability pay from the government and not have to work a real job.

To the op if you keep using you stop getting sick from using too much. Only when you don't have it. Of course this advice is counter productive to a healty lifestyle.
 
Looking for disability payments? That shouldn't define a disease. The gov doesn't recognize diabetes as a disability either.
If you look at the definition of insanity, doing something that consistently has negative results, and expecting a different outcome , well that sort of fits addiction. Way more complicated than that because you have a reward when addicted regardless of the negative consequences for that.
The op took too much at one time for his tolerance. Not to be confused with being dependent and needing a fix.
 
I hate it when people make drug usage a death sentence, or a life long problem. Personally I dont think anyones addicted, just extremely committed. Doing dope is like masterbating, after the first time you do it you continue to do it for the rest of your life, BUT if you wanted to stop you could. Dopesickness is a 3-7 day really really bad flu. But guess what guys, it goes away and you never have to go through it again, you'll always remember how great getting high was but eventually you have to pay the consequences of feeling that good. And yeah, you'll ALWAYS remember how great it was, but thats not all you have to think about, theres a lot of other good things in your life that you can think about.
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Oh, this is much more than that. Beating opioid addiction is not about surviving a week of withdrawal, and in fact when it gets serious the witdrawal is mostly longer than that with heroin. If anyone using opioids thinks the worst is over when the physical withdrawal is over, then they'll be surprised, because the worst is just right ahead of them. Using opioids you make your endogenous opioids much much less efficacious, so without exogenous opioid every little headache is like a never ending migraine, every little problem is an obstacle impossible to jump over. It's far far far far from masturbation.

I strongly disagree that the only way out is death though. That's something you might be thinking during the first phase having quit, but when you sober up and start getting pleasure and satisfaction from other stuff in life, the heroin/whatever rush is bland in comparison, and the more you used, the more it is so. I was so disappointed with the few hours of peace I got from morphine in 2012 after quite a long break and having been on methadone, and then it made me so angry with everything for no reason. I thought I would have to keep shooting it every 4-5 hours to be where I want to be, and honestly it seemed pointless to me, although I definitely had nothing to be happy with in my life then. It must depend on personality a lot, but I've always loved the peace of Morphine and how it wrapped all my body in a silky cocoon unlike heroin for example, and I would still love it any moment now, but I bear in mind that if I used it for a few days, it would start all over again and I would be damn sure that I can't live without it. Well, it seems I can.
 
Pill__Head said:
You are totally correct, Mr.Scagnattie, I did phrase my title incorrectly. I am fully aware of actual "dope sickness", from opiate dependency VS. getting sick from using TOO much dope. My situation being the later.
The damn problem with opiates, as stated above, the feeling is too great. It is a hard one to run away from, let alone never feel again in your life.
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You think it's hard to run from now, wait til the withdrawal handcuffs have you on lockdown. One way ticket to a slow, painful suicide coming up, if not arrested right now.

By the way, that bright yellow foamy bile vomit is your liver protesting. The protests only get more violent as tolerance/addiction increases. The sickness from a binge is fuck all compared to the sickness of severe withdrawal. RUN AWAY while you still can!
 
EatClenTrenHard said:
WHAT THE F* GUYS. AM I BLIND OR HAS NO ONE TOLD THIS KID OF THE WITHDRAWALS THAT ARE SURE TO COME HIS WAYIN THE FUTURE ?? Though this was a harm-reduction site ... lol.

OP. PLEASE. I know heroin feels good, but after two weeks straight of using, you're going to wind up waking up with a LOT more than nausea.

Pretty soon every 12 hours you'll be vomitting, with diahhrea, extreme cold chills, extreme anxiety and misery, flu-like symptoms x10, etc etc etc etc. Please man, please, don't throw your life away. Read the stickies on heroin withdrawals.

I couldn't take the withdrawals, so i went to suboxone. It took TWO MONTHS to feel normal. Then i relapsed, and was going through withdrawals within a week. Got on methadone, and now here i am 29 days off of it, still feeling like shit.

You have no idea what you're in for.
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Well said mate!
 
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It really means a lot to me that there are people out in the world, giving out this advice, looking to help a fellow brother out, ect. I know it's a long horrid road, and trust me, I am trying to get OFF this bumpy road.
 
im new to the site, but im struggeling right now and am looking for answers...? not sure really what im looking for.
im 29F and started drugs (pot) in 6th grade. i was what 12? i had no bad up bringing, i had everything spoiled rotten only child til 12 when i got a bro. i was very very shy quiet etc. guess i started hanging with the wrong crowd. by the age if 16 i was doing E, E & shrooms, smoked opium before school, used acid at 17 in school, cocaine by 17 18, ive been rx kpins since 16 too so yea i mixed alot. 1 mth shy my 17th bday i od. i smoked pot took 3 1mg pins at once, 1 E tab and went to a party in the woods after the hs football game where i drank. got picked up by a man 6 yrs old who put liquid g in my drink. without my consent. then i snorted cocaine and i remember my body weighing a ton of bricks and collasping. woke in the hosp.my fam never discussed what has happened with me to this day.
but after that i didnt really stop still did coke (no longer smoked pot took e shrooms acid etc.) & pins (as rx).
 
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