The EADD Kratom Thread v1. Chew those leaves? Bleugh!

[Sammy G]

Good to see you putting things in perspective, MDB. Sorry to see your kratom use spiralling, but you're at least aware of it.

As for quitting the benzos, that's definitely going to be a hurdle, but determination counts for a lot, and you seem determined.

With regard to the diaz script, I really don't think it'll happen. It sucks, but look at it this way: regardless of whether you're tapering with etizolam, street valium or prescribed valium, you still need to have the discipline and inner strength to stick to that taper. So while a medically-supervised taper would theoretically help keep you on the straight and narrow, in reality you could still end up boshing your monthly script in a week and supplementing it with street valium / etizolam. Which is what a lot of people on scripts do anyhow.

It's down to you, ultimately. Which may seem scary, I know.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

wow that was a quick reply. A legitimate benzo script would be particularly usefull if i need to go to Australia. It would eliminate all customs/importing worries, or having to stop when i might not feel ready to do it. Another option could be to do a month in rehab to get off it.

 

[Sammy G]

Rehab might well work for you; I don't know.

As for crossing customs barriers with benzos, as long as they're in strips I've never heard of it being an issue. Don't know about quasi-fascist Australia, but I've known people get in and out of Singapore carrying benzos with no trouble whatsoever.

Anyway, ever heard of 'PL Red'? Have I been duped by kratom capitalists?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Australian customs are known for being particularly efficient, or so my vendor has informed me. I could posssibly get away with it, customs have never looked at any pill blister strips before, but ist sods law that they would when you least want them to. The flight also stops to refuel in Dubai, which is another very officious and scary airport as far as customs checks go. There's no point me worrying about this until the time is upon me anyway.....

sorry, not heard of PL Red, it might be mentioned on here: http://forum.opiophile.org/forumdisplay.php?95-Kratom-(Mitragyna-Speciosa)&order=desc

 

[Sammy G]

I can't get over the difference in effects from one strain of kratom to the next.

Had some Thai red vein this morning and it got me motivated to get up, go outside and do shit, despite having had a few spliffs this morning. It banished the after-effects of whisky and promethazine too. I'd also forgotten to take my meds last night, so took them this morning, and I could still feel little rushes!

This afternoon I've gone for that 'PL Red' stuff, and I'm now getting heavy eyelids. Brooding and morose music is even more appealing than ever, but I don't feel remotely brooding or morose. Just surprisingly hammered.

 

[swampdragon]

Anyway, ever heard of 'PL Red'? Have I been duped by kratom capitalists?

Nope, never heard of it.

I can't get over the difference in effects from one strain of kratom to the next.

I can see obvious differences between red and white, but not more than that.. Can you test some more and then give us your top 5? Ta. And have you tried any of the green vein ones yet?

 

[Sammy G]

I've tested three strains, all of them red vein. Although saying that, the first batch I bought was just sold as 'kratom'. That was pretty inferior to everything I've had since.

Out of the three, PL Red has probably been the most powerful, and definitely the most sedating. Though I very much enjoyed the stimulation that the Thai red vein brings to the table.

It's already difficult, and I'm not even close to trying all the varieties. There may be some element of marketing bunkum involved and I may have been subconsciously influenced by that, but I highly doubt it.

To think I wrote this stuff off for years!

 

[swampdragon]

See, us plant-loving hippies like to keep quiet about the good things.

(And this thread is a tad triggering.)

 

[mydrugbuddy]

missed a few nights sleep recently thanks to taking all this red vein thai as if that wasnt enough i was taking ethylphenidate on top some nights. Slept for ab out 14 hours last night and then slept a further 5 or 6 hours on the couch thisafternoon.Hopefully I'll get over this sleeping all the time soon. Spose its just my brain righting itself and compensating. I'd love some more red vein thai right now but its all gone and im not allowed to use it any more. At least not for a good while.

Also I was caining that red vein thai for a month, by the end my usage had spiralled out of control. I was taking far too much and giving myself bad stomach aches and constipation. Thank fuck for milk of magnesia, what felt like a painfull and compacted solid rigid rod of lead block stuck betweeen my stomach and my anus has gradually been passed this afternoon, to my enormous relief.

 

[Shambles]

See, this is why I like EADD...Eno, Nico, and SWANS mentioned in the same sentence! I bet you could search all 600000000 pages of BL that isn't EADD and find nary a mention of Swans. ...:D

Edit- followed by a mention of Basinskis disintegration tapes. I think Shammy blew my mind several years ago by mentioning Basinski but still!

Hehe. Can't leave folk hanging like that... William Basinski - d|p 1.1. Totally hypnotic stuff. For those that don't know, it's basically a collection of old tape recordings he'd made that had started to rot so he decided to mix and loop them til they - literally - disintegrate. Much more musically-rewarding than it may sound.

 

[amanitadine]

rewarding on so many levels...makes a perfect soundtrack to many a substance, or just background music throughout the house...even blaring!...soothing, haunting...beautiful.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Feeling the LACK of that kratom stimulation after the one month run on it. Damn, i wish i had more self control with these things and that it didnt have to be all or nothing. On the positive side this is a good time to cut down on all those sleeping pills and make headroads into reducing etiz. Feeling like this, i really dont need any additional downers.

 

[Sammy G]

So I got hold of some OC 30mg and decided on a little experiment yesterday evening while waiting for weed to arrive. I plugged one 30mg pill (I'd usually struggle to feel much off less than 60mg) and ate around 8g kratom shortly after.

I wasn't really expecting a lot, but fucking hell! Not only did the kratom help me make the most of the oxy, but I was actually nodding by the time the weed turned up!

The downside of all this is that I awoke with a splitting headache in the early hours, but a spliff and a lie down soon sorted that.

Hmmm... so what should I do this evening, huh? :D

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Glad it worked well. I dunno if and when it will ever be safe for me to order kratom again. Id love to, but i know i have to leave it a good amount of time before i do, and when i do, only make a minimal order, with just enough for one or 2 days. Buying larger amounts is inevitably going to lead to problems for me.

 

[Mental Kenny]

So I got hold of some OC 30mg and decided on a little experiment yesterday evening while waiting for weed to arrive. I plugged one 30mg pill (I'd usually struggle to feel much off less than 60mg) and ate around 8g kratom shortly after.

I wasn't really expecting a lot, but fucking hell! Not only did the kratom help me make the most of the oxy, but I was actually nodding by the time the weed turned up!

The downside of all this is that I awoke with a splitting headache in the early hours, but a spliff and a lie down soon sorted that.

Hmmm... so what should I do this evening, huh? :D

Brother I was talking about boosting oxy with kratom and saving tons of cash back in 2011, it was my NY survival mix, was on that for ages while working there, top draw stuff uh?

I find that pre-loading with the kratom then adding the oxy on top works best, I could get nods, like very decent nods with an ounce of kratom followed by 20mgs of oxy snorted, amazing how they combine.

Just be careful not do it with subutex as when I did I felt like I was going to die.

 

[Sammy G]

Brother I was talking about boosting oxy with kratom and saving tons of cash back in 2011, it was my NY survival mix, was on that for ages while working there, top draw stuff uh?

Definitely! Really surprised how well they go together.

 

[knock]

right I've finally tried kenny and the natives' method of sticking crushed (not powdered) kratom in my mouth and chewing it.

My mouth got numb! Not dentist numb, but definitely slightly numb, like there is a local anæsthetic in there. Yes I'm using my compose key again, it's æsthetically pleasing.

Didn't feel much else though

I had already had some kratom earlier in the day (yesterday I'm talking about), 5g of white vein sumatra. And it's a strain I've not tried before - Red fucking Kali. I think the vendors deliberately call their strains by different names so you have to try all of them, when in fact green riau from one place might be the same plant as green borneo from another. That's just a made up example, I'm not comparing those two "strains".

So yesterday I was thinking this kali is krap, the only interesting effect was the numbing. But today I've had 5g in yoghurt and 5g in juice, and I can definitely feel standard kratom effects, so it's not bunk. But I'm not convinced about this chewing business, kenny! I had to chew today's stuff a bit, because it's so coarsely crushed, not easy to just swallow, but not long enough to get absorbed by oral mucosa.

(Kenny and the Natives is ™ knock but if kenny is forming a band I'll allow use for royalties)

 

[Mental Kenny]

Kali red is shite man, have tried both the powder and the crushed leaf, found it weak and just lacking.

Since I'm a daily user, I use the rotation method to keep my tolerance to individual strains down, so now I have green riau, green borneo, sumatra red vein and white borneo on daily rotation, every morning I get one bag from the basement and bring it up in the house, that's my fix for the day. Next morning I bring the bag back to the stash and get another one out.

Very good way to keep your tolerance down.

How long were you chewing for? Did you squash the saliva around your mouth as if it was mouthwash? Did you remember to swallow everything at the end? If done properly the chew-the-shit-out-of-kratom method should provide you with stronger effects than tosh and wash, at least it always did for me.

I'm sure at some point I did have some good Kali red leaf, but that was ages ago, the last batch I had wasn't good.

Anyway I'm the first one not to be convinced by the whole strain business, surely Thai is undoubtley stimulating and some other strains are defo more sedative, but I think the vendors play it a bit too.

Also try the chew method with powder too, chew it, chew it, chew it, have a sip of very warm tea and then squash around for a few minutes at least, if that doesn't give you stronger effects, then I give up, we just have different bodies/affinities for the plant. You need to chew for a bit before having that sip of warm tea though.

Also pre-loading(hate the term, sounds so ED yank talk), with milk thistle gives you stronger effects, as does making your own grapefruit juice in the morning, with the tool I make it with I get all the pulp and seeds separated from the juice, I drink the juice but then eat all the pulp and the seeds.

Use at least two grapefruits.

Trust me this work MASSIVELY. Stonger and longer lasting effects, definately not placebo as it used to work with MXE as well.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

ive only tried 2 strains that had any effect on me, red vein borneo which was all warm and fluffy and blissfully chilled out whilst red vein thai was far more 'i want to get things done right now and will see them through until they are' whilst feeling fucking chilled out and relaxed at the same time as being stimulated. Its one of the best stimulants ive ever had. The borneo increased the warmth of music tenfold, the thai increased the intensity that i would get "into it" ten fold. You know its intense when you cant stop your whole body is going with it.

Fuck i love this stuff so much, im never gonna be able to give it up completely, at the moment the best i can hope for is to limit it to small orders once a fortnight or something. I'll leave it as long as possible before my first re-order. I need to become more readjusted to living and doing things sober first.

 

[knock]

Also try the chew method with powder too, chew it, chew it, chew it, have a sip of very warm tea and then squash around for a few minutes at least, if that doesn't give you stronger effects, then I give up, we just have different bodies/affinities for the plant. You need to chew for a bit before having that sip of warm tea though.

Also pre-loading(hate the term, sounds so ED yank talk), with milk thistle gives you stronger effects, as does making your own grapefruit juice in the morning, with the tool I make it with I get all the pulp and seeds separated from the juice, I drink the juice but then eat all the pulp and the seeds.

Use at least two grapefruits.

Kenny this is EADD not I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here.