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Making smokable mescaline (peyote)

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How would one go about making mescaline smokeable? I know that they used to pass around a peace pipe with peyote in it for sacral and spiritual reasons but how did they get it into a smokeable form?
 
Do you have a source to confirm it was peyote?
The active dose (orally) of mescaline is roughly half a gram.
That's a shitload of peyote - a plant so treasured for how long it takes to grow, etc. And Peyote is nowhere near pure mescaline by weight.
"They" (meaning a shaman or similar tribal elder?) most likely did not have peyote in the much-anglicised/Hollywood stereotype "peace pipe".

I don't know much about indigenous practices in the Americas, but if be willing to bet that "smoking peyote" is a bastardised western idea.
 
Yeah it is a bastardized western idea.
Not saying it can't be done. But it won't be a freebase crystal. It would be a Base Oil.

You would simply preform an A/B extraction on it. Then you wouldn't convert the Freebase oil into HCL or Acetate.
 
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Tobacco or herbs were smoked in peace pipes, I think you got one or two things mixed up. Please formulate a clear question if you are going to expect a clear answer. :)

Mescaline is what is in the sacramental cactus eaten by native americans, other shamans and modern trippers. Mescaline in my opinion is not suited for that many different routes of administration.
 
I mean, it would be fascinating to try out, taking some shaman tobacco placing it into solution with like 500mg of mescaline freebase oil onto it and then just smoking it out of a pipe like no tomorrow. Holding it in, and trying not to waste any,
I'd imagine there would be effects. but this is uncharted territory. Is also lacks respect for the substance i feel. But all things are based off of intention. Who knows maybe it could be really awesome. But chances are it would just be a shorter more cerebral high.
But people have tried smoking mdma and other phenethylamines before. I find that mescaline is more like mdma, than lets say the 2c's especially at lower doses. People have successfully smoked 2c's but 2c's are also a hell of a lot more potent than mescaline
Honestly, it just seems like a waste, but if you have the mescaline to throw around like that. Why not do one for science?
 
Psychonautical said:
I mean, it would be fascinating to try out, taking some shaman tobacco placing it into solution with like 500mg of mescaline freebase oil onto it and then just smoking it out of a pipe like no tomorrow. Holding it in, and trying not to waste any,
I'd imagine there would be effects. but this is uncharted territory. Is also lacks respect for the substance i feel. But all things are based off of intention. Who knows maybe it could be really awesome. But chances are it would just be a shorter more cerebral high.
But people have tried smoking mdma and other phenethylamines before. I find that mescaline is more like mdma, than lets say the 2c's especially at lower doses. People have successfully smoked 2c's but 2c's are also a hell of a lot more potent than mescaline
Honestly, it just seems like a waste, but if you have the mescaline to throw around like that. Why not do one for science?
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This was very informative, thank you. I guess the best ROA is orally. :)
 
While you can definitely vaporise mescaline, there is simply too much material for it to be a reasonable route of administration. You would have to smoke almost a third of a gram of pure mescaline freebase to get anywhere worthwhile. It would be bitter, nasty-tasting, corrosive smoke.

You would also have to extract a lot of cactus. Needless to say, mescaline has really only been used orally in the past.
 
yeah, as has been mentioned, its not really potent enough to make vaporization viable.

also, its worth mentioning that its really fucked up to use peyote when other mescaline-containing cacti are readily available. peyote is endangered, and quickly dying out.
 
^ not to mention the fact that it takes many decades for that creature to grow to maturity and start producing any psychoactive alkaloids in significant quantities. There are many other species of cacti viable for alkaloid extraction, with some over passing peyote in potency.
 
Roger&Me said:
yeah, as has been mentioned, its not really potent enough to make vaporization viable.

also, its worth mentioning that its really fucked up to use peyote when other mescaline-containing cacti are readily available. peyote is endangered, and quickly dying out.
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You know, in places other than the USA it's perfectly legal to cultivate Peyote. I grow it in doors in the winter and move them into the backyard for summer. I grow everything from seed so there is no harm to endangered peyote in the wild. I used to grow Trichocereus cacti but after you have a strong peyote experience, San Pedro doesn't cut it anymore. IMO it's fucked up to use Trichocereus if you have access to Peyote. It's also possible to have a completely sustainable peyote garden within 5 years grown from seed under ideal conditions. If anyone decides to go this route I highly recommend growing Ceaspitosa variant of Lophophora Willimsii which grows around 6 times faster than regular peyote and possess the same alkoloid content.
 
The dose required for vaporization would be likely far to high to do comfortably. Likely 200mg for a very low dose at least, and if it does not smoke smooth that is an insane amount of material to smoke
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
but after you have a strong peyote experience, San Pedro doesn't cut it anymore.
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Why's that? Peyote has more alkaloids around 65 to peruvian 6 or 7 but seeing as the mescaline is the active principal in both all you get from peyote is more nausea. Unless you're buying the placebo that "This is the one supposed to be more holy".

It's also possible to have a completely sustainable peyote garden within 5 years grown from seed under ideal conditions.

Are peyote active at 5 years old? I thought they needed to be a minimum of 8-10 years old.
 
All of my peyote are active at 5 years old. Extremeley active. If you'd like I will send you a pm with place a attained all my seeds and got a whole lot if my cactus cultivation information. I used to grow Trichocereus mainly until I got my peyote garden sustainable. But if you go this route it's only worthwhile growing L. Wilimsii var. Caespitosa. From seed I started getting offshoots (pups) stating at about 16 months. You have to understand that for the most part when peyote grows in the wild in most places it's not ideal conditions compared to what you can provide for it indoors or moving it from outside to inside during the winter. If you keep control of temperatures, feedings, light levels, etc, they grow with a vengeance.
As far as Peyote being superior to Trichocereus cacti, it just really seemed that way to me. I've eaten A LOT of mecaline cactus (as I never could get the mescaline extraction right and got real sick of wasting 100's of grams of my hard grown cactus to experiments).
Every Peyote experience seemed much stonger. Maybe peyote has some sympathomimetic alkoids that bump up the mescaline? I have no idea it's just the impression I was left with.
 
The "smoking Peyote" myth is fairly common. Even my dad (never tripped, only toked and drank, very drug-ignorant, doesn't toke due to legal reasons, at best only tolerant of my trips, sometimes dismissive) has mentioned the "Indians smoking Peyote in a peace pipe". Since we have like 1/4 Native American blood, and due to my LOVE of tripping, he even once suggested "I track my heritage, so I could smoke Peyote legally within the Native American Church". LOL. I have to be kind, coming from someone who punished me in my teens for smoking weed, that is quite a liberal thing to say, even if wrong. Not to mention he is a devout Christian, so I was walled when he seemed to suggest I use psychedelics for spiritual purposes (Of course, I talk up entheogens all the time, and thru me, he has seen how they differ from opiates, benzos, and stimulants).

I have heard 2Cs can be smoked, so I tried smoking 2C-E several times, being quite familar with oral, rectal, nasal, and even IV ROAs. I had to use at least 5x the material, it tasted like shit, and only gave me light (possibly placebo) effects. No visuals, just a vague buzzing. If Mescaline follows suit, even half a gram may be a small dose. Mescaline is far to precious and hard-to-come-by for me to waste it.
 
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