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European Citizens' Initiative on Cannabis Legalisation -- PLEASE SIGN

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Sign here: https://ec.europa.eu/citizens-initiative/REQ-ECI-2013-000023/public/?lang=en

This is not your usual petition, it's an ECI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Citizens'_Initiative

Progress: https://ec.europa.eu/citizens-initiative/REQ-ECI-2013-000023/public/map.do

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"In accordance with Article 10 of Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data, the personal data provided on this form will only be made available to the competent authorities for the purpose of verification and certification of the number of valid statements of support received for this proposed citizens’ initiative (see Article 8 of Regulation (EU) No 211/2011 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 16 February 2011 on the citizens’ initiative) and, if necessary, further processed for the purpose of administrative or legal proceedings relating to this proposed citizen’s initiative (see Article 12 of Regulation (EU) No 211/2011). The data may not be used for any other purpose. Data subjects are entitled to obtain access to their personal data. All statements of support will be destroyed at the latest 18 months after the date of registration of the proposed citizens’ initiative, or, in the case of administrative or legal proceedings, at the latest one week after the date of conclusion of the said proceedings."
 
Looks like Poland and Sweden are the only countries who appear to give much of a shit one way or t'other so far.

I'm not much of one for signing petitions and legalising weed is not very high on my agenda of drugs that need legalising. I see it as a rather artificial separation from other drugs, personally. Legalising heroin would do far more actual good for society overall in my view. The legal status of cannabis is more of an irritation than a serious problem. That and it's surely gonna be legalised in the not-too-distant anyway now America has started to legalise in some states - and now even Federal Law has been changed to allow the proceeds to be processed through banks without being classed as money laundering (surprise surprise - once they notice that banks are missing out on profits they suddenly forget that cannabis is still illegal under Federal Law even though it's legal under certain States' Law - I see no hypocrisy or money-grubbing there whatosever 8)).
 
I think the current US government want to legalise weed properly but know the backlash if they try will be horrendous so there's no point even mentioning it. Look what happened when they tried to provide decent health care.

As for the UK? No chance whatsoever with the current mob. Can't see labour doing anything about it if they get back in power next year either. An independent Scotland? Possibly, eventually.
 
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I suspect they'll just continue to let individual states legalise piecemeal until a tipping point is reached. Let the public who are doubtful about it get used to it being legal slowly and notice that actually nothing has changed other than their services have improved cos there's more tax being paid (or at least their cities aren't going bankrupt any more). Federal government aren't gonna back down too soon cos they need to try to save a bit of face so they're having it both ways and keeping it technically illegal whilst also ensuring they and their friends in the banking sector profit from it all. Capitalism innit. They're not stupid - they know that keeping weed illegal is hurting them more than helping them. Just can't be seen to have "given in" so easily so want to make it look like they've been persuaded by the various benefits that are all but certain to follow in the states that have legalised (more tax income, lower crime and so on).
 
parttime crackhead said:
As for the UK? No chance whatsoever with the current mob. Can't see labour doing anything about it if they get back in power next year either. An independent Scotland? Possibly, eventually.
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From the country that fired its most senior Neuropsychiatrist and adviser for stating cannabis is safer than alcohol, we may have a long way to go just yet.
 
I actually see the US completely legalising weed, this peicemeal aproach will only continue while the benefits of legal marjuana are assessed. I suspect they will be assessed positively. I support the legalisation of marijuana because I believe it's a foot-in-the-door towards legalising psychedelics, stimulants & ultimately, ALL drugs!
 
I don't not support legalising weed so much as just struggle to get excited about it. Yes when I was sixteen and annoying people with the gatefold sleeve notes of Cypress Hill albums but it just doesn't seem like a big deal any more. Although I was almightily pissed off at getting six months probation for a dozen bleedin' seedlings a few years back :!
 
Yeah, I've seen him saying something along those lines in interviews. I really don't know enough about the US situation to know but suspect he may be onto something given how much more racially charged things are over there. I don't think that would apply here simply because things are very different here. I wouldn't expect legalising weed to cause any real problems here - I just don't think it's the biggest priority if we were going down the legalising one at a time route. The fact that heroin is illegal actually kills people and causes vast amounts of acquisitive crime day in, day out. Weed has nothing like as much social trouble associated with it - let alone life-ending trouble. It's essentially an annoyance cos getting busted messes up a clean police record but it's unlikely to be more than the irritation of paying a fine. It's not really much different from getting a speeding ticket in many parts of the country - on the spot fine, roadside caution and you're good to go. Minus your weed, unfortunately. That's probably the bit that annoys people the most actually.
 
I think growers get more than a speeding ticket Shammy.

I find the racial divide argument a long stretch too. Are you telling me weed ain't a minorities thing in the USA? They changed the name from cannabis to marijuana to implicate those crazy Mexicans in the first place. And I'd hazard that weed and hash, globally, is smoked by way more black and Asian people than a few damn white college kids in Seattle. I like David Simon but I'm not sure I'm with him on this one. He should stick to that cocaine/crack argument where crack (largely the province of black people) was treated something like 100x worse than powder (the province of whitey).I think Obama has now put this down to 17x or something. Why 17? Stupid arbitrary figure. Why not treat them the same and not be racist about it?
 
on the US thing. Film and TV are used to introduce ideas to us and get us used to certain things before they become reality. I have watched many American films where cannabis is used in such a way that it's a little bit naughty and not accepted by the fuddy duddies but it's kind of ok really. Not sure whether I've made sense here but anyway, they're making it acceptable in films preparing folk for its legalisation. If the daily mail started singing its praises tomorrow, people would begin to change their minds. It's shocking how people believe what they're told to believe, really shocking. Uncritical minds accepting without questioning. I don't understand why people do that but that's a whole new thread.
 
^ I agree with that, PinkP. The media is used to get people used to an idea and it definitely affects public opinion on matters. If cannabis - or anything else - is portrayed in a bad light consistently for years people tend to just go along with that view unless they happen to have really looked into it and formed an opinion of their own. And vice versa, of course. There's no doubt that cannabis use is portrayed as being completely normal in far more mainstream media stuff than it has been in the past. There's been 'stoner comedy' for years but not so much just casual use in general shows/films where it's not even mentioned or made a point of at all half the time. Much as in real life, some people smoke weed and don't make a big deal about it.

StoneHappyMonday said:
I think growers get more than a speeding ticket Shammy.
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This is true and it should've occurred to me given I got rather a firm slap for that myself last time I was up in court. Suppose it's that I tend to think of punters rather than growers due to being almost exclusively in the former camp. The only reason for that being illegality, of course. As I said, I have no problem with cannabis legalisation - I'm all for it - I just don't see it as a priority. If it happens then I'll happily have meself a few plants on the windowsill.

And yes, that disparity in crack:cocaine sentencing is totally indefensible and very clearly racist. There just isn't any other conceivable reason for it - especially when you take into account the fact that whitefolk simply don't receive anything like the sentences that minorities do even if they are busted for crack.
 
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