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The EADD Kratom Thread v1. Chew those leaves? Bleugh!

Kratom from the *snip* is the best around as is their customer service, it made me almost completely abandon and betray my previous reliable *snip*, even though back in the day their product was divine, but since they insist on only selling finely ground powder I rarely make orders from them anymore, although they're still good for extracts.

I like kratom to be in powder, but not too fine, some stuff on the market is waaay too finally grounded, that stuff makes me gag.

I also like the simply crushed leaf, good taste, easier to chew on like you'd do khat or coca, also I have a feeling that with the crushed leaf the alkaloids deteriorate less, although this merely my opinion and it might be unfounded bullshit.

I only smoke weed if I'm on kratom these days as it eliminates the paranoia for me, great combo.

Good mixes:

-AMT: Enhances the stimulating properties of the kratom and boosts the euphoria, it helps numb the physical discomfort and body load and prevents the come-up shits. Excellent mix

-MDMA: Taken before the MD I reckon it just makes it stronger, kratom definately has some anti-depressive properties and it's a good MDMA booster for me, a must on the comedown, that's how I originally started taking it, stopped smoking weed daily at some point in uni, 2007, needed some alternative for my pill and MDMA comedowns, found out that kratom was miles better than weed at that.

Trust me, if you start taking kratom on MD comedowns you get to the point where if you don't have kratom for post-peak you don't take the MD, I can't stress enough how stronger kratom feels when you take it after MDMA, like a whole level above how you normally feel it. Seriously

-Mushrooms: Amazing after a few hours into the trip, you start feeling this amazing warmth and euphoria while the visuals are just as strong.

-Acid: Great to salvage trips, good when you have that sometimes annoying residual stimulation a few hours in.

-2Cs: as with AMT for me it makes the bodyload bearable, adds euphoria and sense of well being and doesn't negatively affect the visuals.

-MDPV: Fuck, sometimes it made me feel so fucking great I can't express it in words completely eliminating any jitterness and paranoia, while some other times it gave me full on parkinsons-like, shaking incontrollably. Like serious shakes here, completely unable to roll a fag, not even able to bring a glass of water to my mouth without dropping water all over the place. I also have a feeling it enhanced the psychotic effects, as it happened during binges that I was doing fine, then I take some kratom and within the hour I'm hearing voices and everything at the periphery of my vision starts moving.

-MXE: Well well well, some of the best times of my life were had in the spring of 2011, on my hammock, with tunes blasting, snorting mxe off a guitar pick, with low insufflated doses it just helps the MXE give you the best euphoria and well being you can imagine. I've tried snorted mxe without the kratom and found it cold and almost dysphoric, with the kratom though it's lush.

At high mxe doses it helps you being comfortable and at peace during the hole, I reckon one of the reasons why I always enjoyed my mxe-holes even at silly doses like 120mgs in one capsule is because I had taken kratom before hand, which made me feel warm and safe, even though I was flying through multi-dimensional wormholes.

Same thing goes for ketamine(makes small bumps more euphoric, makes you feel safe and warmer during k-holes), 4-meo-pcp and to a certain extent the latest dissociatives I've been trying, good also with MXP and Diphenidine.

Hope this helps SammyG, I could post more later.
 
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Sammy G said:
the annoyingly-wise-and-sensible swampdragon.
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=D

Mental Kenny said:
Trust me, if you start taking kratom on MD comedowns you get to the point where if you don't have kratom for post-peak you don't take the MD, I can't stress enough how stronger kratom feels when you take it after MDMA, like a whole level above how you normally feel it. Seriously
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Oooo, that might explain things.. I have it after MDMA quite a lot. Cheers for the other combo information too, will have to give some of those a try.
 
Precise list there MK, kudos!

Sammy - Kratom is a complex beast....there is a ceiling effect on the opioid aspect, I speculate due to the presence of coryantheidine, a straight MOR antagonist, and two partial agonists.....I would also wager though that as big if not bigger of a factor is the mitragynine and it's shitty affinity for the MOR compared to the 7-OH and the pseudoindoxyl, and it's adrenergic effects...most people have a threshold that they cross where they get what is known as the "wobbles", aka nystagmus, and get shaky and kinda dysphoric. For some it is 5 g, some 20 g......for me it was around 10 g of quality stuff. Used to be 15, but I guess either a) I got more sensitive to the adrenergic effects,or b) became more tolerant to the opioid effects, which can tend to mitigate nasty adrenal shit. Who knows...

Also, many find re dosing after 45 min to an hour to have greatly diminished returns. I got the best results finding my "sweet spot" and doing it all at once, and then waiting 4 hours minimum to repeat.

I found it a far better maintenance tool than either suboxone or methadone.....less soul killing. But it did get old after a few years...tolerance is slow to build, maybe due to the rhynchophylline, an NMDA antagonist present in the leaf, or any of the other myriad alkaloids.

Good luck!
 
Cheers for the advice, folks.

Well I got somewhere; not quite where I'd planned to get but a good place nonetheless!

I forget how long orally-dosed drugs can take to come on, so by the time my second dose hit I was resigned to an evening of mild fuzziness. Then I got up to go to the toilet, felt a little nauseous and started sweating. For a moment I was terrified that it was some reaction with my meds, but once I got back to my room and lay down, I was rewarded with waves of euphoria, powerful sedation and a similar 'nod' to the one I achieved at the weekend.

It's not quite like a heroin nod, but it's just as intense, and I retained this weird simultaneous awareness of lying on my bed and being in this dreamscape. It was as if I could go in and out of it, which was fun. I could not be bothered to move either, after a certain point.

Also experienced a few mild OEVs - just patterns swirling, nothing more.

As for combos, I'm cautious about what I take with my lithium, but MXE and Lyrica seem like great ideas. Promethazine for the nod, maybe?

amanitadine said:
Sammy - Kratom is a complex beast....there is a ceiling effect on the opioid aspect, I speculate due to the presence of coryantheidine, a straight MOR antagonist, and two partial agonists.....I would also wager though that as big if not bigger of a factor is the mitragynine and it's shitty affinity for the MOR compared to the 7-OH and the pseudoindoxyl, and it's adrenergic effects...most people have a threshold that they cross where they get what is known as the "wobbles", aka nystagmus, and get shaky and kinda dysphoric. For some it is 5 g, some 20 g......for me it was around 10 g of quality stuff. Used to be 15, but I guess either a) I got more sensitive to the adrenergic effects,or b) became more tolerant to the opioid effects, which can tend to mitigate nasty adrenal shit. Who knows...
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Very informative! Cheers!

I'm amazed that a substance with so many active constituents doesn't have any negative interactions with lithium. Amazed and relieved. :D
 
Think I had the same stuff as you Sam, and felt roughly the same. Got the waves of nausea and sweats that I haven't had since I first started using codeine. Laying down helped, and got the waves of euphoria fairly late on in the evening after my second dose. Not had any OEVs, spent most of the night alternating between CEVs and dream/waking state that you described though so kinda tired now, but not in an awful way.

Think I'll have a slightly lower dose this evening and see if it helps sleep instead of distracts me.
 
you've got the best strain there Sam AFAIK, i dont think it'll ever compare to things like heroin or oxy, and it is what it is really. You are possibly used to getting more or stronger effects, i dunno what effect increasing the dose of red vein borneo would be, i dunno if theres a risk of OD and respiratory depression etc if you take too much.

I start getting the shakes badly after more than 4 or 5 teaspoons.
 
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Yeah, to be honest I spent an hour or so REALLY wanting a pin in my arm just to take things to another level. Glad I deleted those numbers.

I don't think I'll try to up the dose significantly next time. It isn't going to provide the same warmth whatever the dose. Good though!
 
I thought I was the only person to get kratom nods. I only got them once though. And I've never actively looked for people describing them, I have now and yes they are not uncommon
 
It's weird - there's not any actual nodding involved, as with heroin, say, where your head and eyes will gradually droop. Just a rapid transition to this lovely hypnagogic state.
 
I find myself nodding on this and high doses of codeine, but I'm not a big user of opiates/oids in the grand scheme of things. Love me some hypnagogic states though.
 
I regret getting red vein thai, and not red vein borneo. The effects are completely different, this thai stuff is excellent as a 'get things done' stimulant, but its lacking in the warm fuzzy headed feelings, and i havent tried it for music enhancement yet, it doesnt even make me want to put tunes on in the first place.
 
2 or 3 teaspoons, once or twice a day. I wont be taking it for much longer though, it's time to nip this habit in the bud, before it grows too big.

Just trying some tunes now to test its properties, i take that back about lack of music appreciation, it is definately enhanced. Spine tinglingly so. Fucking gorgeous. In full singalong mode.

Camille O'Sullivan - Hurt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1FDSJINpJ0
 
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Yeah, it's for the best.

Might see how I go on with a smaller dose. I've not listened to Swans Are Dead in some time, so tonight may be the night.

If I'm not back tomorrow, I'll be the suicide on p.39 of Saturday's Evening News. ;)
 
Just got one of my parcels today, incredible it only took a week, I thought I'd have to wait for ages, I'm already on Diph, AH and Diclazepam but couldn't resist opening the jiffy bag, I got a wee gram of this 100x Indo extract with this order, just put the tip of a teaspoon in the bag and ate a tiny bit, I want to go easy as there's a ton of stuff in my system, I went for a walk before and brought my wrap of AH, kept having dabs every time I stopped to look at the landscape.

Hope you're all having a great night, awesome to see SammyG on it as well, I remember you expressing interest in trying it way back, glad you finally did it, hope it's not a let down since you probably have a heavy tolerance for opiates/opiods. It's probably just best to see it as its own thing instead of a replacement for proper opiates.

Have a good evening all, MDB, hope you manage to quit soon, feel free to PM if you need a chat man.
 
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Hope you're all having a great night, awesome to see SammyG on it as well, I remember you expressing interest in trying it way back, glad you finally did it, hope it's not a let down since you probably have a heavy tolerance for opiates/opiods. It's probably just best to see it as its own thing instead of a replacement for proper opiates.
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Yeah, you're right.

Glad to see yours turned up and yes - take it easy! That's quite a cocktail you've got going there already. :)
 
Sammy G said:
I've taken two separate 10g doses and I feel good, but not really where I'd hoped to be. It's a bit like the tramadol tease, where it seems like it'll break through into real explosive euphoria then it recedes.
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well you've got the good stuff now, with that and your favourite tunes, or rediscovering old ones you've forgotten or brand new ones all together. It seems to me to be like a plane that doesnt quite take off unless you add other factors, like tunes, a good atmosphere etc, then it does take off. Ive only tried a few strains but the red vein borneo seems to be by far the best for music, it makes it so much warmer, allthough the thai did a pretty fucking excellent job this afternoon in increasing the intensity of the effects of music, i should have been on the tunes straightaway, i only caught the last half hour of the really quite soaring heights. Its difficult to resist comparing it to other opiates, but if you do it doesnt quite match up, nothing will match the euphoria of odt and lager for me, where Id feel so great Id be whistling and singing at the top of my lungs for hours. Im not normally the kind of person who breaks out into spontanenosuly belting out tunes, the fact that im tone deaf and cant hold a note to save my life matters not one jot.
 
Red Vein Borneo is nice for music. Been laying with my eyes shut snuggled in my duvet for the last hour listening to Brian Eno's Textures album. Was nice. Still getting pretty bad nausea off it, though suspect that might go eventually as used to get it all the time with codeine and now don't at all with the stuff. Tho nausea today was gone as soon as I got into bed, yesterday it was worse. Overdid it a bit yesterday but today took less and feel like I'm gonna get up in an hour to get some GTA in before my beloved Hotel Inspector at 9.

Of course I might fall asleep, who knows, could go either way :D
 
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