What type of feminist are you?

[MikeOekiM]

Liberal feminism: 100%
Libertarian / Individualist feminism: 74%
Antifeminism: 53%
Amazon feminism: 31%
Radical feminism: 31%
Socialist Feminism: 31%
Womanism: 31%
Anarcha-feminism: 14%
Eco-feminism: 0%

 

[ebola?]

Come on, join me on the dark side of "humanist". You can be angry about sexism, but you can also be angry about so much more - class privilege, racism, gender identity discrimination, lack of homosexual rights, etc.

Feminists who would reject you as an ally on these terms, I would argue, are either too hung up on a word (losing sight of what it should mean) or possess an insufficient understanding of intersectionality in relation to oppression.

ebola

 

[jackie jones]

Radical Feminist

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

Antifeminism - actively opposing feminism; views male supremacy as natural and/or necessary. (100% )

I never said anything like that in the quiz so I don't know where that's coming from. If women want to not have children or be career-driven or whatever, that's their right and I feel they should have that ability. I don't discriminate against those who want to live that way. You know who does discriminate against others based on the way they want to live their life though? Those of this liberal train of thought that seek to force this new way of thinking about relationships on everyone. It's gotten to the point where if I say that I want a traditional wife, I'm a woman-hating bastard, and that's ridiculous. I've had enough relationships with women where I know that many women do want the traditional dynamic too. This is just another example of liberal idealism incompatible with reality. It's no surprise to see the enthusiastic supporters of communism on board.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Ahh, I see. But I have to disagree. Even in these examples, gender hierarchies existed within the larger social hierarchical structure. Peasant women were subservient to their peasant husbands and royal wives were subservient to their royal husbands. It's true, the male peasants were subordinate to the royal women, but this gender dynamic existed across all classes, and still does today to some extent. Certainly in very culturally patriarchal societies.

Of course, in many of these same societies, there are those who are lower on the totem pole than just women. Say the transgendered, in many areas. Or homosexuals.

One of the more vocal areas of modern feminist infighting is PoC feminism against white feminism. Basically, the reasoning goes, white women have it so good that they don't know what true discrimination really feels like. It's only PoCs that really get screwed over.

However to reiterate, I think in order to have a truly egalitarian perspective, one must believe in gender equality, ie there has to be a feminist element.

I'm not sure feminism, at least modern day feminism, is about equality anymore. To use an example that you gave, it's like saying one must believe in racial equality, and thus that's why there has to be a black power element.

 

[bit_pattern]

I'm not sure feminism, at least modern day feminism, is about equality anymore. To use an example that you gave, it's like saying one must believe in racial equality, and thus that's why there has to be a black power element.

No. Since when has feminism become about "power" of the kind practised by supremacist groups? No practical application of feminism I've ever experienced is about making women uniquely powerful over men, or any kind of segregationist agenda (well, I say "practical" I'm not including the wymyn down at the uni wymyns room, but I don't think they're reflective of modern feminism). TO me, without any theoretical baggage because of that I'm ignorant, feminism is simply abut empowering equality and - from a personal, masculine perspective - about acknowledging when one is exerting undue dominance and providing space for women to challenge when one find oneself slipping into old cultural modes of interaction . I see it all the time, when men speak over women in meetings, it's not a matter of superiority, it's a matter of being aware of your own normative behaviour and correcting that when you see inequality occurring. It's just a matter of breaking down old power dynamics and that DOES require a systematic challenge to the normative behaviours that we as men have ALL inherited. Feminism, in the practical sense that I have experienced, where women get an opportunity to challenge what might seem a perfectly natural interaction to the dominant culture. It doesn't even have to be confrontational and, in my experience, simply acknowledging one's own privilege goes a long, long way. That's really the essence of feminism to me - acknowledging privilege and trying to correct it.

 

[bit_pattern]

Antifeminism - actively opposing feminism; views male supremacy as natural and/or necessary. (100% )

I never said anything like that in the quiz so I don't know where that's coming from. If women want to not have children or be career-driven or whatever, that's their right and I feel they should have that ability.

Lol, as devil's advocate, you're expressing that view from (I assume) the position of the culturally dominant actor. If you were to assume the radical feminist position that masculinity has been an oppressive force on women, then you platitudes aren't much different to the slave-owners who said their slaves were happy in their natural position in life - the satisfaction of the enslaved and the emancipated is hardly comparable, how can one appreciate the sweet taste of something they've never experienced?

It also puts me in mind of your economic ideology, that of the mythical "level-playing" field where the worker is happy to be exploited by the market, who cares if we're exploiting a factory worker at least he's not working in the fields.

I'm drunk, so admittedly probably poor analogies, but I can definitely see a problem with the "choices" you made on behalf of women and why the quiz might have labelled you so (that being said, I can also see a lot of problems with the quiz, which equally could be responsible for the way it ranked you).

 

[bukweat]

I still hold the door for ladies. I don't know what kind of feminist that would make me, anyways given the current economic climate fewer women are given the opportunity to be stay at home moms, soccer moms or whatever.

 

[Bardeaux]

Of course, in many of these same societies, there are those who are lower on the totem pole than just women. Say the transgendered, in many areas. Or homosexuals.

I would say the feminist movement is separate from the LGBT movement. Not that to say that there aren't parallels between the modern LGBT and earlier feminist movements, or that one is more important than the other.

One of the more vocal areas of modern feminist infighting is PoC feminism against white feminism. Basically, the reasoning goes, white women have it so good that they don't know what true discrimination really feels like. It's only PoCs that really get screwed over.

Yeah, people have a wide array of opinions. I would say this is more of a racial issue than a gender issue.

I'm not sure feminism, at least modern day feminism, is about equality anymore.

It depends what we're talking about. In the US and other western nations feminism has evolved from a civil rights movement to a movement more concerned with social attitudes and economic inequality. In many parts of the world though, the progress made in the US and Europe hasn't yet been made, and is still a civil/human rights issue.

To use an example that you gave, it's like saying one must believe in racial equality, and thus that's why there has to be a black power element.

I would agree with this. Like I said earlier, "black power" isn't the concept of black superiority. It's a concept of empowering a repressed portion of society in order to attain more equitable footing, both socially and economically.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

It's a concept of empowering a repressed portion of society in order to attain more equitable footing, both socially and economically.

Yeah, and just like a lot of what gets discussed in this forum, it sounds great until you start thinking about the actual implementation of it. I just happen to be applying to a lot of state jobs in my area and notice on them all that women and minorities are encouraged to apply due to affirmative action procedures in place. I'm considered white, and I am male, so I'm being discriminated against here... No matter that I'm the son of an unemployed immigrant, I'm considered to have a privilege that I really don't. Put my employment prospects against a woman whose family is integrated into the community and she will have multiple advantages over me.

Affirmative action sucks. All that is necessary is to outlaw discrimination, as has been done, and to encourage class mobility for all.

 

[Bardeaux]

I'm not sure if discriminatory policy is the answer to discriminatory social problems either. I also don't think this is what the early feminists or Black Panthers had in mind either. This is the result of incompetent politicians with no expertise in social relations.

I think I'm slowly becoming a technocrat 8(

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

No. Since when has feminism become about "power" of the kind practised by supremacist groups?

TERFs? Does that ring a bell? If not, you need to google.

No practical application of feminism I've ever experienced is about making women uniquely powerful over men, or any kind of segregationist agenda (well, I say "practical" I'm not including the wymyn down at the uni wymyns room, but I don't think they're reflective of modern feminism). TO me, without any theoretical baggage because of that I'm ignorant, feminism is simply abut empowering equality and - from a personal, masculine perspective - about acknowledging when one is exerting undue dominance and providing space for women to challenge when one find oneself slipping into old cultural modes of interaction.

I bring you feminism's toxic twitter wars. AKA, the "fuck off, I win at the oppression Olympics".

Here's the thing - I'd be all for a movement that tries to smash traditional gender roles - to consider people based as their worth as individuals, not as a member of one gender or another. I just don't think Feminism is that movement.

 

[paranoid android]

Antifeminism - actively opposing feminism; views male supremacy as natural and/or necessary. (100% )

I never said anything like that in the quiz so I don't know where that's coming from. If women want to not have children or be career-driven or whatever, that's their right and I feel they should have that ability. I don't discriminate against those who want to live that way. You know who does discriminate against others based on the way they want to live their life though? Those of this liberal train of thought that seek to force this new way of thinking about relationships on everyone. It's gotten to the point where if I say that I want a traditional wife, I'm a woman-hating bastard, and that's ridiculous. I've had enough relationships with women where I know that many women do want the traditional dynamic too. This is just another example of liberal idealism incompatible with reality. It's no surprise to see the enthusiastic supporters of communism on board.

What about all the Conservatives and various other reactionaries who think that marriage and human relationships in general should always be of the traditional and thus Conservative type? Are they not imposing their views of relationships and marriage upon everyone they can as well? I am in no way defending those i hate men types who really only want to make men seem inferior to women as opposed to wanting actual equality for both sexes in anyway. That is just making one group "more equal" then the other which is of course not equality at all.

However i don't see why we should be sticking to traditions which have no basis in today's society and only drag along those mostly dead notions of how a "family" should be. Much like a unwanted person poking their head back up out of a grave after you where sure they where dead there are still people who want to hold onto tradition created mostly out of religion, the notion of private property and other things that suit the ruling classes. Why should we hold onto this notion of what a family should be when it is just something that serves no purpose in Today's society?

I voted socialist feminist cause that was the closest option to my ideas on this matter. I am a Communist and i believe in women's rights for the same reason i believe in the rights of black people, Jewish people, Arab people, etc. The self emancipation of women is vital to the creation of a world where everyone is equal and the abolishment of Capitalism, the class system that goes along with it and the state. Plus sexism like racism is just another way for the bourgeois to divide the proletariat and as women make up half that class that is a significant number of people to say the least. The old role of women's place in society which is to have babies and basically act as a maid and sex object of her husband is not one created by biological necessity but is rather a product of social relations. It was not to long ago that women where looked at as property and no different then a horse really and that more then anything has shaped the gender role of women as little more then a slave to her husband. As the Socialist James Connolly said "The worker is the slave of Capitalist society, the female worker is the slave of that slave". Thankfully we are progressing past this backwards and retarded attitude granted there are still more then a few Conservatives and various reactionaries crying out against "the destruction of the family". What they really mean is that they fear the destruction of the social contract where the male of the household holds all the property and the woman he is married to is as much a part of that property as his house that she is supposed to clean is.

And just to clarify Liberals are Capitalists too so they have no more in common with Communists as Conservatives do.

 

[Snarky91]

Radical feminism (100%)
Antifeminism - (84%)
Libertarian / Individualist feminism (9%)
Eco-feminism (0%)

 

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