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The EADD Kratom Thread v1. Chew those leaves? Bleugh!

knock said:
I think the issue is he's addicted to "µ-opioid agonists" rather than "kratom". MDB's been continuously on o-desmethyltramadol, AH7921, poppy pods, bupe, and now kratom, for two or three years. So I think he has µ-opioid receptors that want fed, if you know what I mean?
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No, he's had breaks. Some longer than others. And recently quit the bupe for good.

If he doesn't stop the kratom a.s.a.p., then yes, those receptors will need feeding. A taper would be a HUGE mistake; in fact, it'd establish an addiction where there previously wasn't one.

Just STOP, MDB.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
some for just a day or 2, i think the longest break has been about 1 week.
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How about the bupe you just quit? Are you saying you didn't quit at all?

And you quit AH-7921 for quite some time, as I recall. I know you weren't physically addicted to it when you bought the subs, anyhow.

You're making excuses for yourself to get addicted to another substance here. It's farcical.

Forget tapering. You don't need a taper. You just need to accept that you can't handle opioids.
 
i quit bupe for about a week before i discovered that i had some kratom in my house, and that was that. I went straight from AH to subs, though as you say i was taking about 25mg or 15 mg of AH or some other extremely low dose by the end, so it was definately more psychological than physical.

Yes i probably am just making excuses, i have a job interview on Thursday too. That is quite a good excuse as i dont want to appear and feel ill in a job interview. But after that i need to stop taking it.
 
Just kick the kratom into touch. Keep it for occasional use if you can. Otherwise, bin it.

All this talk of a taper is absolute nonsense. You are not physically addicted to any substance. You're just afraid of living life without a chemical safety net, and you need to move on from that.
 
Sorry, I feel like a right horrible, sanctimonious git to you sometimes. :\

I do actually mean well. It's not just an excuse for me to be all pious, you know.
 
i dont take your posts in the spirit that you are being horrible. To the point and no nonsense yes, but there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes i need that to break through all the web of justifications and rationalisations and excuses that i make to continue using one thing or another. My old cbt worker was very simillar, all about challenging faulty thinking, to the point that he'd say things like such things are 'baby thinking' and statements like that. He had good intuition as to when I'd be able to take on board more harsh statements and when otherwise they would just have offended or upset me.
 
^Think of it as tough love, MDB. You're a smart cookie and you've struggled with opioids a lot. No-one wants to see you fall back into addiction. If that means giving you a virtual slap and telling you not to be a twat, that's a price we're willing to pay!
 
OK I will defer to Sam and BB on this, Sam certainly has more experience of opi withdrawal than I do. I guess there can be no harm in going for the CT and seeing what happens. Yeah, just quit, let us know how it goes. If it's totally unbearable then you can cross that bridge when you come to it.

I'm not saying this to rubber stamp their advice, that's not my job. I'm saying it as another word of encouragement.
 
I'm not saying this to rubber stamp their advice, that's not my job.
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That's exactly your job!

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^ a candid snap of knock in his day-to-day modding duties ;)
 
Well I did receive my kratom - today. Vacuum-packed Red Vein Borneo, from a proper kratom supplier, as suggested by the annoyingly-wise-and-sensible swampdragon.

It seemed darker in colour and less skanky somehow than the last lot I bought from elsewhere. Fresher, perhaps.

I've taken two separate 10g doses and I feel good, but not really where I'd hoped to be. It's a bit like the tramadol tease, where it seems like it'll break through into real explosive euphoria then it recedes. Or a really expert blowjob, like.

Still, the good parts of it are very good indeed, and I imagine socially it'd be great, were I socially inclined. I wonder though - is it worth increasing the dose, or is this as good as it gets?

Maybe it isn't going to work for me as an opioid substitute / alternative, but I'd certainly take it again. It's excellent with weed, it must be said.

Any other combos I should consider?
 
I've never come across the stuff, but it's intrigued me for a while now.

At first I was put off by the 'preg' in the generic name. Bit too close to 'pregnant', which is a vile word.
 
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