Aus - It's the drugs, not booze, fuelling violence

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Aus - It's the drugs, not booze, fuelling violence

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Stuart Gregor

I just Googled "alcohol-fuelled violence" and got 1.5 million results. Yep, 1.5 million. I've been truly gobsmacked as much by the barbaric acts that have been perpetrated in Sydney as the hysteria and poor nomenclature used to describe them.

Because, unless I am out of my head on some sort of weird psychedelic myself, these acts are not merely alcohol fuelled. They are fuelled by the epidemic in Sydney of amphetamines, uppers and steroids, as well as too much alcohol. In many circumstances, the former simply enables the latter.

Virtually no one can go on a 10-hour drinking binge and be capable of throwing much of a punch. They are more at risk of falling in front of a cab, spewing in the very same vehicle or walking into a wall.

The sheer intensity of the recent violence is proof enough that there is a lot more than bourbon and beer fuelling the fights. I am not making light of anything; fights fuelled exclusively by booze tend to be as comedic as they are consequential. Punches fly everywhere and rarely hit a target with anything near deadly force. When they do, as in the cases of Daniel Christie and Thomas Kelly, of course it's a tragedy. But I just don't reckon that's what's happening right now.

It may be crystal meth or ice, and if you think this insidious drug is strictly the domain of bikies and westies you'd be wrong: it is all over the city. Then throw in a few energy drinks, a couple of lines of coke, maybe a key of speed, anything to keep you at the bar feeling good. These drugs are everywhere. Ask your kids.

If you are a body builder, the chances are you're already on some form of steroid and that can make you pretty angry with a little bit of weekend help from your recreational drug of choice.

Look where the trouble is happening. Kings Cross. Where bars and pubs have been for the history of the city, but today where drug dealers and crooks reign supreme.

Of course, I am compromised. I make wine and gin, I promote beer and, just like every other purveyor of booze, I want people to consume my drinks as they always have, with some sense of personal responsibility. The vast majority of publicans, club owners and bar operators feel exactly the same.

We aren't drinking more booze than we did two decades ago, and we drink a hell of a lot less than we did in the 1970s and '80s when most of today's lawmakers were getting pissed at college parties and stealing antler horns from the dorms. More people today, in fact, are drinking less but better. That's a good thing, at least for those of us who think a moderate drink, and maybe occasional semi-binge, is OK for both us and society.

Most of us adore the idea of a civilised drinking culture. But Sydney's centre is not a civilised place to take a drink late at night any more. It's not Seville or Rome. It's a city riddled with a really dreadful drug subculture. The police know this, the politicians know this and it's no surprise that the recent spate of gun crime, which is nearly always related to the drug trade, is happening at exactly the same time as this epidemic of drug and alcohol-fuelled violence.

Licensees who allow drugs to be dealt on or about their premises should be stripped of the privilege of having a licence and thrown in jail with their dealer mates. Those who don't control the consumption on their premises should likewise face punishment. The rogue licensee loves a few amphetamines hanging around the pub. It means punters stay longer and drink more. Then they go out and belt someone. It's a tragedy. But it's not all the fault of booze.

Stuart Gregor owns marketing business Liquid Ideas and is a partner in a gin business and a small winery.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/its-t...ng-violence-20140126-31gur.html#ixzz2rWmrOQOm
 
"these acts are not merely alcohol fuelled. They are fuelled by the epidemic in Sydney of amphetamines, uppers and steroids, as well as too much alcohol."
dont really know what this person is trying to say with this piece but this seems like a no brainer. I you added benzos into this equation then I think you would have maybe the worst drug combo ever. Kinda a drunken, speeding, goof balled out, steroided up nightmare. but I dont think all types of steroids cause negative behavior and some cause positive behavior.
 
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Stuart Gregor owns marketing business Liquid Ideas and is a partner in a gin business and a small winery.

He has a majorly vested interest in blaming drugs. As he admits in the article. I think it would be a rather small % of the aggressive people in the city who are on steroids and ice. Compared to just alcohol I mean. So I rekon it still is mostly 'alcohol fuelled' violence that goes on, but sometimes there would be roid rages and ice rages as well. And sometimes some people who have had nothing at all get all worked up and smash people for who knows what reason.
 
^ nope its the incredible propensity of alcohol to turn people into violent neanderthal clowns


something about amphetamines.. I never really wanted to/ enjoyed / or did much drinking on them and I loved to drink. Personal taste I guess?
 
It's so slimey that the industry keeps trying to shift the blame away from the most criminogenic drug in existence. Other drugs tends to have to be illegal and have an artificially inflated black market price to be associated with crime. It's like that past article that talked about the meth/alcohol combo used in Australia, trying to shift all the blame on the meth. He even admits that they are used in combination.

P.S. Alcohol seems to eliminate any pleasurable effects from amphetamines unless you are on a major binge, then it reduces the side effects from sleep debt and overstimulation.
 
Some of these people (some people I have chatted to) use so much ice and alcohol they have to have huge amounts of either to be even somewhat effected, it just shows how addicted they are, to have to drink half a case of beer or more and spirits to be slightly drunk or have to use a 1/2 gram of ice or more to be slightly sped up or a combination of both just seems insane, they really should have a major break from them and then see what it feels like in a few months to try a bit again after their tolerance drops, they'd get a decent hit then, but I guess that's addiction for you, they can't stop and take a huge break.

Then again you get some people who do all that all the time and are never violent still and are not dick heads. I think it's just some people are brain dead and out to show how tough and dangerous they are… Or something.
 
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Personally every time I have ever had a fight or been arrested the only drug involved was alcohol.
From all the different drugs I have tried over the years not one of them has ever caused me to lose my self control to the point of blacking out and not knowing what I am doing.
Alcohol is the only drug that has caused me to be violent etc. I'm sure if you talk to any British copper on a weekend they would tell you that it is alcohol that is the cause of the trouble that they have to deal with.
 
From all the different drugs I have tried over the years not one of them has ever caused me to lose my self control to the point of blacking out and not knowing what I am doing.

I hear you. Of the six overdoses I've experienced, five were caused exclusively by alcohol.
 
^ nope its the incredible propensity of alcohol to turn people into violent neanderthal clowns
Really? The percentage of drinkers who lose their shit is still comparatively low. I have been to countless weddings, almost all of them fuelled by alcohol and never seen one fight. I'm thinking the reason for this is my group of family and friends can all handle their drink. I was at a large restaurant Friday night, everyone pissed on wine, not one fight.

Reality is the number of people who get into a fight is relatively small no matter what the substance. A lot of the time these people tell you they are going to get shit faced and get into a fight well before they pick up a bottle or glass pipe. Some people are simply dickheads sober or not.
 
My my, I agree with OTW. Stop the world I want to get off. What is this biological process alcohol is responsible for that turns a few people into violent morons? I don't think there is one.

Set and setting with every drug. Alcohol has gained a reputation for making people violent because a cultural myth has been brought out that says so. Even to the point where it can be used as a defence in court (it was the demon drink your honour). If alcohol really, causally somehow, makes people violent then why aren't there mass bar brawls in every pub and club on every night of the week?

Set and setting.
 
Really? The percentage of drinkers who lose their shit is still comparatively low. I have been to countless weddings, almost all of them fuelled by alcohol and never seen one fight. I'm thinking the reason for this is my group of family and friends can all handle their drink. I was at a large restaurant Friday night, everyone pissed on wine, not one fight.

Compared to what drug? and your family does not constitute a good representation of the world. your family amu indeed be able to handle their alcohol. Also most in the world may be able to handle their alcohol most of the time. But I would bet that most people who have done any amount of drinking have at least one story where it aided or possibly even caused themselves act in a manor that was not only really unlike them and akin to the actions of a neanderthal clown.



My my, I agree with OTW. Stop the world I want to get off. What is this biological process alcohol is responsible for that turns a few people into violent morons? I don't think there is one.
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"Effects on the Brain
Alcohol
Heavy alcohol use can cause structural abnormalities in the cerebral cortex,
such as a smaller or shrunken brain region compared to non-drinkers. This effect
increases with the amount of alcohol consumed.4, 5 Alcohol consumption also
causes a decrease in blood flow to the frontal lobe.6
The user’s senses will be
dulled, which can cause blurred vision, decreased hearing, and impaired smelling
and tasting.7
The person may also experience a decrease in language, thinking,
and reasoning skills. Fifteen percent of heavy and prolonged drinkers have
seizures from alcohol withdrawal, which may be related to the brain’s shrinkage
in this area.8
The prefrontal cortex can be particularly affected in teens who drink
heavily over long periods of time. Prolonged and
excessive alcohol use during
teen and younger years can result in a smaller prefrontal cortex and reduced brain
white matter as young adults.9
Recent research also shows that alcohol slows the
communication between neurons in the prefrontal cortex, which plays a critical
role in coordinating appropriate responses possibly leading to risky behaviors.10, 11"
>source<


"Alcohol affects brain chemistry by altering levels of neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers that transmit the signals throughout the body that control thought processes, behavior and emotion. Neurotransmitters are either excitatory, meaning that they stimulate brain electrical activity, or inhibitory, meaning that they decrease brain electrical activity. Alcohol increases the effects of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA in the brain. GABA causes the sluggish movements and slurred speech that often occur in alcoholics. At the same time, alcohol inhibits the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate. Suppressing this stimulant results in a similar type of physiological slowdown. In addition to increasing the GABA and decreasing the glutamate in the brain, alcohol increases the amount of the chemical dopamine in the brain's reward center, which creates the feeling of pleasure that occurs when someone takes a drink.

Alcohol affects the different regions of the brain in different ways:
Cerebral cortex: In this region, where thought processing and consciousness are centered, alcohol depresses the behavioral inhibitory centers, making the person less inhibited; it slows down the processing of information from the eyes, ears, mouth and other senses; and it inhibits the thought processes, making it difficult to think clearly.
Cerebellum: Alcohol affects this center of movement and balance, resulting in the staggering, off-balance swagger we associate with the so-called "falling-down drunk."
Hypothalamus and pituitary: The hypothalamus and pituitary coordinate automatic brain functions and hormone release. Alcohol depresses nerve centers in the hypothalamus that control sexual arousal and performance. Although sexual urge may increase, sexual performance decreases.
Medulla: This area of the brain handles such automatic functions as breathing, consciousness and body temperature. By acting on the medulla, alcohol induces sleepiness. It can also slow breathing and lower body temperature, which can be life threatening."
>Alcohol and the Brain<


"About half of the nearly 20 million alcoholics in the United States seem to be free of cognitive impairments. In the remaining half, however, neuropsychological difficulties can range from mild to severe. For example, up to 2 million alcoholics develop permanent and debilitating conditions that require lifetime custodial care (Rourke and Löberg 1996)" >source<

"Frontal lobe systems
More vulnerable to the effects of alcoholism than other brain regions/systems."

from Alcoholism and the Brain: An Overview


A comparison of Neanderthal and human brains has revealed it was a matter of allocation: Neanderthal brains focused more on vision and movement, leaving less room for cognition related to social networking.

According to the study, published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, bigger-eyed and larger-bodied Neanderthals required more brain space devoted to the visual system and basic body functions, leaving less area for what co-author Robin Dunbar called "the smart part."
>source<

Based on published studies, Roizen (3) summarized the percentages of violent offenders who were drinking at the time of the offense as follows: up to 86 percent of homicide offenders, 37 percent of assault offenders, 60 percent of sexual offenders, up to 57 percent of men and 27 percent of women involved in marital violence, and 13 percent of child abusers. These figures are the upper limits of a wide range of estimates. In a community-based study, Pernanen (4) found that 42 percent of violent crimes reported to the police involved alcohol, although 51 percent of the victims interviewed believed that their assailants had been drinking.
>Alcohol, Violence, and Aggression< from (3)Roizen, J. Epidemiological issues in alcohol-related violence. In: Galanter, M., ed. Recent Developments in Alcoholism. Vol. 13. New York: Plenum Press, 1997. pp. 7-40

studies on alcohol and violence


Tell me again why booze is legal and all the others arent, must be the booze sellers making that descion.8(

comparing a drunk to a neanderthal is degrading to the neanderthals
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But booze definitely has it up sides..
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like the effect it has on women

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but
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you had better not chicken out for to long as there is a short window from that to this..

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After working in a crazy bar for a few years the neanderthal phenomenon and violence promoting sides of alcohol are so obvious that if people dont see them the are choosing not to.
To the guy in the article.. nice try but your 90% full of shit.

But this is earth and we weren't put here to see how long, safe, and boring we can make our lives.
 
Cool pics of the chicks, except the one where it looks like she shat herself lol
 
I have never ended up in any of those situations. When I drink alcohol it is more like this…

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In 40 years I have never been in a fight while on the piss. I can't say the same about being on lsd
 
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