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Gibberings CLVI: Back to the Future

knock said:
I'm guessing you don't mean Cat Stevens / Yusuf Islam, Shammy?
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*titters*

No, not him. Memory for once didn't fail - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. I wouldn't know the names of the tracks so that one is a bit of a punt but is sounding good to me and you get the idea. Best listened to at stupidly high volume with a spliff or two. I'm not currently doing either but works almost as well at moderate volume with synth noids. Almost as well. Almost. But not quite as well. Synths are just not the same :\

StoneHappyMonday said:
Hey I'm not anaemic. But yeah, fuck Facebook. And what it's done to the atmosphere of the world, let alone BL.
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Hehe. Couldn't agree more but was focussing on BL cos I use it like most folk use FB. I'm sure you can relate to what I was getting at in terms of the drastic drop-off when FB took off though. EADD really is a shadow of its former self unfortuntaley :\
 
Eveleivibe said:
Who's MM? And what do you please by "why did we mod him?" Not meaning to sound rude but he's not one of those who floods the thread with pics / videos is he? If so, I'll have to unsubscribe this thread as my phone can't take threads with pics/bids.

Please don't take that in a mean way someone said this person puts lots of pics on Facebook so that's my reason for asking.

Facebook is crap. I used it whinge like ell LMAO! I thought people would just use Facebook n EADD. I don't see why they'd stop coming here over Facebook?????! It's just a place where people like to nose at others' lives.
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He is a Fukin ace Poster who we sadly seem 2 have lost:| To fukin FaceB
 
I'm a member of both stoma and j-pouch groups on facebook and find / have found them easily as good whenever I have a medical question as their forum based counterparts. It's closer in feeling to a chat room than the more permanent record of discussion that you get with a forum though. It's just different, I don't think fb has anything to do with the so called demise of EADD, I think websites just ebb and flow in popularity sometimes.
 
roganjosh said:
I'm a member of both stoma and j-pouch groups on facebook and find / have found them easily as good whenever I have a medical question as their forum based counterparts. It's closer in feeling to a chat room than the more permanent record of discussion that you get with a forum though. It's just different, I don't think fb has anything to do with the so called demise of EADD, I think websites just ebb and flow in popularity sometimes.
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That's more like it.
 
roganjosh said:
I'm a member of both stoma and j-pouch groups on facebook and find / have found them easily as good whenever I have a medical question as their forum based counterparts. It's closer in feeling to a chat room than the more permanent record of discussion that you get with a forum though. It's just different, I don't think fb has anything to do with the so called demise of EADD, I think websites just ebb and flow in popularity sometimes.
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Well the other forum I'm active on, the admins themselves also use facebook and twitter, and they have actually seen people having the discussions they used to have on the forum, instead having their discussions on FB and T. You can't have your discussion on FB and also have it on a forum, unless there are now two of you, so it stands to reason one site's gain is another's loss :)
 
I'm mainly basing my FB blaming on the timing and the fact that the most common answer I get for folk not being around EADD much these days is FB. But obviously it's not the only factor in anything.

knock said:
Yeah another non-drug forum I use has suffered a big drop in activity and are blaming FB and also Twitter. It boggles my mind because AFAICT they just don't have the benefits that a proper forum offers for actual high-quality discussion. If anything they offer a distraction from discussion because of all the games, photo tagging, liking, poorly organised comment system, etc etc. Maybe people just don't want to talk about stuff any more.
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Sadly, I kinda suspect therein lies the answer. As I've never used FB I can but speculate really, but it does seem to lend itself especially well to a very superficial style of communication which fits rather well with society in general of late. Obviously that's a massive generalisation but not without a lil truth I suspect.
 
knock said:
Well the other forum I'm active on, the admins themselves also use facebook and twitter, and they have actually seen people having the discussions they used to have on the forum, instead having their discussions on FB and T. You can't have your discussion on FB and also have it on a forum, unless there are now two of you, so it stands to reason one site's gain is another's loss :)
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Not really. Facebook n forums are used for different things. For instance, I talk about 'This Morning' n other soaps through 'like' pages. I certainly would not discuss drugs or addiction a I have family members on there. I agree with roganjosh. Although I whinge about Facebook being shot I go on Facebook n on BL. Simply get subscription notifications by E-mail for BL n notifications on my phone for Facebook. It is at times that people may join simar "groups" on Facebook but not all the people are going to be the same so it is possible to have a similar discussion in two places simutaneously. I do it sometimes with EADD n TDS as I am part of both forums so for instance if something is on my mind I will mention it in both places as I have different friends in each.
So I really don't under the difference with Facebook.

Is it not possible that some people are trying to get away from drugs n may feel triggerred by coming here? Especially if they were addicts / heavy users. Not saying that, that is the case - just putting that out there as a possibility.

Also people change n as they do have different interests. People who once never had an interest in forums may start to do so n so forth.

Evey xxxx
 
FWIW MM's actions are more complex than being presented here. I do, however, knowing his situation, feel peeved that he can justify continuing on FB rather than here.
 
Yeah, I don't know much about MM's situation and certainly wasn't suggesting anything I've said applies to him - or any specific individual. I do realise it's not as simplistic as I'm making it but I can't help notice that if I really wanted to talk to most EADDers I used to speak with all the time I'd have to join FB cos that's where they do their chit-chat these days.
 
Facebook is shit if you have dull people on there sharing absolute bollocks and shit status updates
 
Eveleivibe said:
Not really. Facebook n forums are used for different things. For instance, I talk about 'This Morning' n other soaps through 'like' pages. I certainly would not discuss drugs or addiction a I have family members on there. I agree with roganjosh. Although I whinge about Facebook being shot I go on Facebook n on BL. Simply get subscription notifications by E-mail for BL n notifications on my phone for Facebook. It is at times that people may join simar "groups" on Facebook but not all the people are going to be the same so it is possible to have a similar discussion in two places simutaneously. I do it sometimes with EADD n TDS as I am part of both forums so for instance if something is on my mind I will mention it in both places as I have different friends in each.
So I really don't under the difference with Facebook.

Is it not possible that some people are trying to get away from drugs n may feel triggerred by coming here? Especially if they were addicts / heavy users. Not saying that, that is the case - just putting that out there as a possibility.

Also people change n as they do have different interests. People who once never had an interest in forums may start to do so n so forth.

Evey xxxx
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Aye I understand all that, but what I'm getting at is there are only 24 hours in a day and we can't post simultaneously on Facebook and Bluelight*. I can't anyway. So before Facebook came along there were more hours in the day available for posting on Bluelight. Also it takes effort to get the most out of any of these things, it took me months of lurking before I started posting on Bluelight, and then there is time taken getting to know people properly and understanding the rules. I am sure a similar investment of time is required to get the most out of Facebook. If I had discovered Facebook first, which I'm sure is the general case for "young people", and gone to the effort of integrating myself into a "community" there, then I would be loathe to start looking for some alternative that would require a similar level of effort. And the opposite is true, I am loathe to put the time required into Facebook, because I have already done it here :)

Yes there is an ebb and flow too, I don't argue with that. But I think it's a simple matter of fact that given people have limited time and energy, then most of those people who are putting it into Facebook are not going to put it into BL. I'm sure there are exceptions and some people can manage several online communities at once, but I'm sure I'm not alone in not wanting to "spread myself thinly".

*I get that you can indeed have a discussion taking place in facebook and be involved in it, and also have a simultaneous discussion taking place in BL, but while you are posting on your facebook discussion you are not posting on your BL discussion, and vice versa, unless you have two heads and four arms, which I don't think you do :D
 
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knock said:
Aye I understand all that, but what I'm getting at is there are only 24 hours in a day and we can't post simultaneously on Facebook and Bluelight. I can't anyway. So before Facebook came along there were more hours in the day available for posting on Bluelight.
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Meh to the FB-grumpies. I clearly can't browse BL when I'm at work, and that seems to be most of the time lately, so for me it's a big plus being able to chat to people there. Evenings/weekends I tend to do both simultaneously.

Plus don't forget that the other issue with BL in particular is that it's probably quite hard to keep posting if you're trying to have a sabbatical from drugs.

Shambles said:
As I've never used FB I can but speculate really, but it does seem to lend itself especially well to a very superficial style of communication which fits rather well with society in general of late. Obviously that's a massive generalisation but not without a lil truth I suspect.
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It depends on the people. If you have superficial people, expect superficial conversations..
 
Wot Knock said ;)

BL was almost the first site I found on the interwebz. After Google anyway. Was a good couple years before I made a proper account (had loads of throwaway ones before that which were - for the most part - borderline troll accounts probably (wasn't such a stable 'n' sober chap back then ;)) but it's the only site I've ever spent real time on. A lot of time. Way too much I'm sure but I am a bit of a creature of habit and BL is as addictive as any other addiction I've had. Given the choice, I'd just much rather be addicted to this place than FB cos I know if I did go down the FB route I'd just spend all day on there instead. At least I can be of some use around here - when in one of my more HR-orientated moods anyway. On FB it'd essentially just be one long Gibberings session which would no doubt be much fun but I can do that kinda stuff here whoever the regulars of the day are and can (sometimes, maybe) do something with some value whilst I'm at it.

Marmalade said:
Re: Facebook: fret ye not
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Hehe. Heard about that. It's riddled with flaws but a suitable analagy all the same :D
 
swampdragon said:
It depends on the people. If you have superficial people, expect superficial conversations..
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I did say it was a massive generalisation. Obviously if I was on FB it would be the bestest FB page ever. Or whatever it is y'all do on FB - what do people do on there? Whenever I've seen people use it - aside from them forgetting there is anybody else present unless they want to bombard you with random pix of people you (and often they) don't know doing memey stuff and/or bombard you with memes of other sorts and/or pix of children (their own or a relative's hopefully 8o) and/or read snippets of some IM chat - it just looks like lots of pictures, links and sometimes chat windows. I don't get why it takes up so much time. Is it just the IM stuff or the trawling though dross or is there more to it?
 
Facebook is good if you like the right groups / pages.

It serves as a kind of personalised news / entertainment / information feed.. for example when i log on i see things like:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24916-new-species-of-river-dolphin-born-of-amazon-rapids.html
http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/cosmic-web-seen-for-the-first-time/ (website down for maintenance atm)


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And of course updates from these guys: https://www.facebook.com/EvidenceofHarmbyReligion

I use a fake name, old e-mail address, etc etc so people can't just look me up.
 
Yeah, I wasn't having a go at you or anyone Shambles. Facebook just pisses me right off. We've gone from an Englishman's home is his castle where privacy is paramount to handing over all our secrets to Facebook. And google for that matter.

I hope you're right Marmz.
 
I know this much: there are facebook groups which are topic-related, you can join the groups, and it is possible to have a discussion involving several members at once. But I haven't see any of those really advanced features like threads or quoting that have been sort of standard since email was invented, might just not be looking hard enough though :)
 
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