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Meth psychosis in only 3 days?!

If I didn't sleep well the night before, but even had slept well days prior, I can get it on the comedown in the first day. This is true with vyvanse as well for me. It may have to do with my mood disorder or whatever, but you don't have to be up for days. When I got bad sleep every night with sleeping (with vyvanse, not ice) I was getting full blown hallucinations.. Crazier than any psychedelic trip I've had, I think. Realism wise I guess. Ice has the worst comedown ever (for me) and I'm pretty sure it brings out my sleep paralysis a lot.
 
If you think that you can really distinguish reality from psychosis, then why were you hiding under your bed for 3 hours? You may like to think you have insight, and you may, but it still scares you to the point in which you act out, thus proving that you do not have 100% insight.

Take it from someone who has also experienced psychosis from meth and weed abuse, it gets worse after each psychotic outbreak. Somehow the brain remembers and it will bring you back into your shell very fast. My psychosis got to the point where it would start to linger whilst I was sober, and I stopped taking these drugs. I still can not smoke weed, or do meth...it almost instantly brings me back to that grey, dark era of hallucinations. It is like the brain has taken a snapshot and won't forget.

If you are so determined to do drugs, flame me all you like guys, but just go and fucking use some heroin. At least you won't be up for days, you will enjoy yourself and won't have the local SWAT team with M16s and breach explosives landing through your roof into your living room via helicopter.
 
teological said:
If you think that you can really distinguish reality from psychosis, then why were you hiding under your bed for 3 hours? You may like to think you have insight, and you may, but it still scares you to the point in which you act out, thus proving that you do not have 100% insight.

Take it from someone who has also experienced psychosis from meth and weed abuse, it gets worse after each psychotic outbreak. Somehow the brain remembers and it will bring you back into your shell very fast. My psychosis got to the point where it would start to linger whilst I was sober, and I stopped taking these drugs. I still can not smoke weed, or do meth...it almost instantly brings me back to that grey, dark era of hallucinations. It is like the brain has taken a snapshot and won't forget.

If you are so determined to do drugs, flame me all you like guys, but just go and fucking use some heroin. At least you won't be up for days, you will enjoy yourself and won't have the local SWAT team with M16s and breach explosives landing through your roof into your living room via helicopter.
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Sound advice....One problem is that even H will eventually catch up too....I'm not here to preach....I'm just saying like you if I take one hit of weed I go nuts.....If I take a bump of ICE I start to get very paranoid......Opiates makes me hear voices........And I have never done H that I know of but I'm pretty sure it will turn on me too.
 
sonicwhite said:
Sound advice....One problem is that even H will eventually catch up too....I'm not here to preach....I'm just saying like you if I take one hit of weed I go nuts.....If I take a bump of ICE I start to get very paranoid......Opiates makes me hear voices........And I have never done H that I know of but I'm pretty sure it will turn on me too.
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Hey Sonic, you and me are basically on the same boat. I know heroin has a high chance of ruining his life, but is it worse than staying awake for days on end, in a frightening psychotic outbreak, neurologically frying his brain, but still so addicted to the meth that he won't stop?

If you mean opiates can also cause psychotic outbreaks, I am almost 100% certain, it will not. Here is why; when I was seeing my highly qualified therapist in the area of psychosis and drug-induced hallucinations, he knew of all my history of drug abuse, and told me to stop everything if I can, especially stimulants and Marijuana. I went on to tell him that I can not and will not stop opiates, and he told me that I do not have to stop them in order to recover from psychosis as they have completely different mechanisms of action that do not cause psychotic outbreaks. I went on to look a little more into this, and it seems that opiates not only have different mechanisms of actions that get you high in comparison to weed and meth, it is also an anti-psychotic.

In all my years of opiate abuse, not ONCE have I ever heard a hallucination or had a moment of psychosis and I found them and abused them whilst I was in psychosis. I had very bad psychosis, and even now with one hit of weed and a little meth, it tries to come back, I can just tell.

Sonic, did you hear those audio hallucinations whilst on ONLY opiates? If it was only on opiates, was it at night when you were about to fall asleep or whilst nodding?
 
Hydocodone Is what makes me hear voices.....and there just little whispers that seems to seep thru not commanding voices....Tylox Oxycodone doesn't.....Kratom if I use like for three days straight will eventually but it's when I'm nodding off.....When I had my OCD flare up in 08......I saw nothing but doctors who thought I was seeking drugs to get high....So I bought xanax when I couldn't get that it was 10 mg hydro's And at first they never made me hear voices but in 2011 I had my wisdom teeth extracted and they gave me hydrocodone and I took them like I was supposed to and I started to think that my brother which lives in TX was trying to take my pants off and i was getting delusional. That's when i notice I maybe like my mom and allergic to it.
 
I don't need anyone to tell me how to live my life and what drug I should do LOL

I've been doing opiates longer than my crystal use actually, I use H & hydromorphone for my comedowns most the time.

But yeah I highly doubt opiates can cause psychotic breaks...at least in my experience.



@theological

I agree,, completely different in terms of action between the 2. I've never had hallucinations or psychosis symptoms etc off ANY opiate in my 6 years of abuse.
 
Do you ever drink with meth or amps? I always have maintained some level a beer every hour or so at least to take the edge off, sometimes a lot more when things get to jittery or axious. Recently i had to use with no alcohol avail ok I had 3 beers to start then i was done after 3 hours and by hour 7-12 from start but a few managed doses inbetween

Not on a very high dose or overstimulated at all, i was still feeling good, no issues but i noticed some of the wierd pre crazyiness or psycho symptoms occuring, like suddenly noticing a shadow or object to your right or a strange sound or feeling that wasnt there. Nothing causing anxiety or fear or paranoia but definitely not sensory anomolies that would occur so early on.

Usually when i drink a little consistenly throughout even a high dose multi day binges, that never happens until day 3 or four. I wonder if alcohol reduces possible pychosis elements somehow with amps beyond simply offering a contrasting downer or anti anxiety effect?
 
sonicwhite said:
Haven't smoked in 7 years and if I even do a bump.....I start to get very paranoid and it's almost demonic looking the things I see.
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Wow. I'm at least 5 years in. Not that I have any inclination whatsoever to even look at meth much less ingest it but you saying that confirms that there can never be any going back.
 
I'm going to go right ut there and suggest that if you're hearing voices so easily from these drugs that perhaps you might have some underlying psychiatric disorder that you might want to get looked at - just sayin :|
 
For me? It takes days till I start hearing voices. Around 3 normally

Nothing bothers me other than full visuals of cops etc with stim abuse, & really thats including sleep deprivation not amphetamines by themselves
 
bit_pattern said:
I'm going to go right ut there and suggest that if you're hearing voices so easily from these drugs that perhaps you might have some underlying psychiatric disorder that you might want to get looked at - just sayin :|
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Yeah, that is probable. It can also just purely be from drug psychosis, and you can just quit for a while and it doesn't come back. But for those in which it does comeback very easily on some drugs, OP, me and Sonic, there very may well be some underlying issues. In my case, as long as I stay away from ICE and Marijuana (especially Marijuana), I do not get any sort of psychosis. Thing is I can trip on DXM, Shrooms and snort Cocaine until the cows come home, but I can not have one bowl of weed...go figure.

Also, in rare but very real cases, it never goes away. That is when you become labeled as a "Schitzophrenic", so watch it. It can happen from drug induced states and underlying issues.

Sonic, I am willing to bet that you are allergic to Hydrocodone, and if the rest of the voices occurred whilst you were nodding or about to fall asleep, that is normal, as opiates can do that and they can also induce sleep paralysis, which is what I am guessing is happening as you nod off. I had severe psychosis and mine recovered ie stopped, whilst I was abusing opiates to hell, but quit all other drugs during that time. I did not even take anti-psychotic medication or anything. My therapist was very confident that it was drug induced from the weed and meth-amphetamine mixture, but he was very determined to feed me with information and persuade me to start to believe that in fact, it was the Marijuana that was most responsible. I now do believe that weed does indeed induce psychosis in those that are susceptible.
 
I have bipolar run in my dads family so I'm pretty sure it drew it out.....But when i abstained from all drugs back in late 06 and 07 I only heard little whispers......But my roommate was still smoking weed at the time and if I would take one hit I would think the sky was falling....So I'm pretty sure that mine could of been drug induced except for the fact that we will never know because I had the psychosis in 05 and when it went into remission I started smoking weed and meth again.....About a year later I started to notice that I was relapsing so I quit and the thought broadcasting and TV talking to me stopped but the whispers remained.
 
Same here with the marijuana, I CAN'T smoke any amount without getting horrible panic attacks which then lead to mild psychosis. Overall just completely uncomfortable experiences and yeah I can't stand smoking weed AT ALL.

All my psychosis symptoms from amphetamine abuse/sleep deprivation always go away when I stop & get somesleep though.
 
Meth relaxes me in a way, calms me down

Like marijuana is more of a alters your perception, your conscious changes to the point it makes me uncomfortable with the changes & I panic etc? I just don't feel right I'm out of place.

I don't know if I'm saying this right but meth is an accelerator, yeah I get "high" but my senses are heightened etc overall and I still feel the same just everything feels better and stronger.

I don't know could have it backwards but yeah
 
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Siccness909 said:
Meth relaxes me in a way, calms me down

Like marijuana is more of a alters your perception, your conscious changes to the point it makes me uncomfortable with the changes & I panic etc? I just don't feel right I'm out of place.

I don't know if I'm saying this right but meth is an accelerator, yeah I get "high" but my senses are heightened etc overall and I still feel the same just everything feels better and stronger.

I don't know could have it backwards but yeah
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I know exactly what you mean, although I find Meth to be a very powerful drug in which if psychosis or paranoia occur, does not go away easily as you need to sleep and sober up, which takes forever. With weed, it is more a psychedelic and the high is on the side of mental and severe changes in consciousness, which I used to love and now hate. Opiates are basically the only drug in which I feel 100%% normal and sober on a mental level, but feel great throughout my body, hence having a positive effect on my mental state. My TV screen still looks the same, unlike weed.

Siccness, I understand that your psychosis leaves once you sleep and recover, but you also think you have insight, in which I disagree, at least not full insight. If you had true insight, you won't hide from the local SWAT team. Just a warning, there is a slight chance that one day you may wake up and find that the psychosis has not left properly, it is then when you start to run the risk of PERMANENT psychotic symptoms...is it really worth the risk? Heck, how on earth do you even have fun after day 2?
 
teological said:
I know exactly what you mean, although I find Meth to be a very powerful drug in which if psychosis or paranoia occur, does not go away easily as you need to sleep and sober up, which takes forever. With weed, it is more a psychedelic and the high is on the side of mental and severe changes in consciousness, which I used to love and now hate. Opiates are basically the only drug in which I feel 100%% normal and sober on a mental level, but feel great throughout my body, hence having a positive effect on my mental state. My TV screen still looks the same, unlike weed.

Siccness, I understand that your psychosis leaves once you sleep and recover, but you also think you have insight, in which I disagree, at least not full insight. If you had true insight, you won't hide from the local SWAT team. Just a warning, there is a slight chance that one day you may wake up and find that the psychosis has not left properly, it is then when you start to run the risk of PERMANENT psychotic symptoms...is it really worth the risk? Heck, how on earth do you even have fun after day 2?
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We can't stress it enough that your brain is frying.......When I used meth the very last day I enjoyed a life without a MI, I said everything makes sense.......And went to the clubs I worked at and snapped.......What can be concerning is that your not only hurting yourself. Your hurting your loved ones. Ya binging every other week may work right now.....But you get on here and say WHY? am I going thru this only on 1 day? That's not rational......Your conscience is seared. Like what is bad has become good to you and what is good has become bad.....Think of yourself blessed that you have people on this forum that has been thru a massive psychosis and know that all of us will reap what we so.....If your smoking meth......your reaping psychosis which I truly do fear that your going to lose it all together and never come back......



I was in a jail cell when I went thru my break and I remember saying to myself I might as well give up my gf and everything I have lost it and I will never be the same......To be in a place of no hope whatsoever. Just repeating why your going thru a massive break and every idea to someone casting a spell on you to God chose you to destroy the matrix.....You end up losing sight that what caused it was the meth.....I thank God everyday that I have been able to have some marbles to help people out of what I fear happening to me again just because I know the body is fragile. Take it from someone that has been to hell and back....There is hope for you now.......Don't resist.........





I highlighted teological because he has went thru the same thing.....This ain't just stuff where pulling out of thin air...
 
No I completely understand what you guys mean, I don't in anyway think your bullshitting. I lived psychosis for about a whole month back when I first starting doing dope 2-3 years ago from constant redosing & it was the scariest shit I ever went through, due to the fact I never understood how sleep dep worked back then. At first the states I went in I would lose it basically ignorance on my part I would believe all the voices plotting to get me and the cops etc until I slept.

As time went on and I gained some insight on sleep deprivation. No matter the state if I sleep it'd go away so maybe because I never actually experienced negatives from it long term way I don't see it as a big deal? I know it can stick unfortunately I just keep risking it. Opiates are also the ONLY drug I feel in complete control of mentally, amphetamines I do to like I said but that's excluding the prolonged sleep deprivation that comes with it at times.

But yeah marijuana makes me completely out of my element and out of place. I used to like it back in highschool maybe I was happier with my life overall? & that's why I could smoke without any issues. Regardless my favorite drugs have always been amps & opiates but I used to smoke weed often back then.

I completely agree with the opiate thing to, everything looks same mentally I'm in control etc. I never said I have full insight though, am I extremely confident about it for the most part? Yeah probably to much for my own good but not completely I know its unpredictable. The states still scare me but since there always the same I just hide out inside from windows & know my mind won't create them inside the house, like that they can't actually ENTER the room I'm in because there fake so I just hide in my room until I see them disappear etc.
 
I only have fun actually dosing on days 1-2, the rest only come if I can't sleep or OCCASIONALLY I dose on like day 2 after I slept a little thinking I recovered when I really haven't which then as I go into day 3-4, I start hearing voices and I get pissed cause I realize I didn't really recover at all etc
 
This happened to me on shrooms once.. Abused them too many times in a week. Couldn't go to sleep. Felt more paranoid then anything. Felt helicopters were gonna raid me, any car that drove by was a cop so I would peek out any time I heard something even if it was a block away. Thought people were walking around scoping me out to take me down. Also had this same situation with acid, but it was regarding people, and wolves that were gonna get me.

Anyways, have you tried taking a benzo?
 
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