EADD Heroin Discussion Nininininineteen [19] (I wasn't really sure what was going on)

[ScotchMist]

Just out of interest what sort of quality coke are you using? Or price per gram would it be? I refuse to sniff your £40-£60 coke due to piss poor quality and unkown clearly active cuts... Did you get much of a rush from it or just a jittery horrid stimulation?

Edit: just saw your post about undisolved cut

 

[opiaterock]

Just out of interest what sort of quality coke are you using? Or price per gram would it be? I refuse to sniff your £40-£60 coke due to piss poor quality and unkown clearly active cuts... Did you get much of a rush from it or just a jittery horrid stimulation?

Edit: just saw your post about undisolved cut .

Hey Scotchmist,

This one is €100 p/g I got 0.33 for 25 though this time... It's ok, like I said I already knew from snorting some of it the other night that it was what I call 'clean but mild coke' i.e. it doesn't give you as you put it 'a jittery horrid stimulation' so whatever it's cut with I guess is an in-active compound and not some kind or RC / Speed thing - I wouldn't take stuff like that either (I will take speed in certain situations if I know it's speed but not being passed off as coke).

- Now all that is not to say this coke is very strong or even average strength, it's on the average to low purity for sure - but at least when it's clean it's nice to shoot every now and again, you just gotta put more in than you would if it was on the stronger end of the scale. I wouldn't like to be paying for a full gram of it but the small piece I got i'm gonna get 2 good shots or an extra half one if I stretch it

- It was a surprisingly good rush to be honest, I used nearly half of the 0.33 I got though so It would want to give a rush for that!

 

[Shambles]

Yeah, cloudy is never a good sign. Just means cutcutcut

Still, as long as you don't heat it you "should" be getting mostly coke. Such as UK coke is 8)

Glad ya having fun

 

[knock]

I was surprised to see there is a wikipedia page on Cotton Fever, never heard the term before as I don't IV.

Cotton fever is a syndrome that is often associated with intravenous drug use, specifically with the use of cotton to filter drugs like heroin.[1] It has been established that the condition derives from an endotoxin released by the bacteria Enterobacter agglomerans which colonizes cotton plants, not from the cotton itself.[2] A condition very similar to cotton fever was described in the early 1940s among cotton-farm workers. The term cotton fever was coined in 1975 after the syndrome was recognized in intravenous drug users. However, some sources have attributed the symptoms of cotton fever with sepsis occasioned by unsafe and unsanitary drug injection practices. This is borne out by the fact that cotton fever symptoms have occurred among all intravenous drug users, with various filter materials utilized.

 

[ScotchMist]

Ta for the reply, as I said the garbage put out as coke these days I wouldn't put up my nose let alone in my vein.. better quality stuff I can understand, I guess I was a little concerned about you digging pub grub grade. Glad you enjoyed it anyway pal, albeit a very expensive enjoyment

Saying that though friends of mine who still buy whites for what appears to be zero enjoyment or rush, now thats an expensive waste..! I havent smoked crack in maybe 10/11 years due to a very unpleasant experience, however prior to that I loved it and remember a proper rush and buzz, sweating, removing clothing even outdoors in the winter. These days when ive seen folk smoke a pipe you could of mistaken it for a drag on a fag, certainly doesnt look like they've had a good rip on a pipe...! Is that why theres not a Uk Crack Thread? Or is the one but nobody can be botherdd to post their disappointment

 

[Shambles]

Yeah. there is a UK crack thread around somewhere. I also gave up the rock years back when it went to shite. Specifically when both readymades and powder coke (cos we mostly washed it up ourselves from powder wiv ammonia) got even worse. I've had the odd rock now and then since but never a properly good one. I'm sure there's still decent stuff about now and then but unless you are a regular in such circles you'll never likely see it. Same with powder coke (for the sniffing or the rocking of). 100 euro for (semi-)shite coke?!? Fuck that. This is precisely why I stopped using coke. The quality has been dire for a good decade or so. Total waste of time. Y'all kiddies don't know what coke is

Knock: Thanks for the research

I had vague memories of it being a bacterial thing but wasn't sure if it was lemon juice I was thinking of. It's definitely a "thing" - at least from personal experience. Not a nice thing either

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

cotton fever is apparently real, kurt cobain is meant to have had it occur a few times, though whether theres actual any difference between it and dirty hits is another matter. in fact, shambles -what makes you say what you experienced was in fact cotton fever, the perceived dodginess of the filter only, or the perceived difference you associate between it and dirty hits


both confuse me in aspects, i never understood either how the precipitated-withdrawal effects could come about from injecting heroin, whether contaminated or not. other fever effects on their own, perhaps - but an actual rattle, as if buprenorphine or some such had been administered concurrently - it is indeed perplexing. the distinctions i personally would hazzard to draw is that the fever is, as with most fevers, a result of a phenomenological response by the immune system to certain particulate matter being introduced into the body. the varying effects after that initial reaction probably depend on what you have injected in or what was on it. for example, in the past i have had almost immediate onset of infection-type illness that has manifested into a week long cold-type symptoms. far too quick as to be a natural result of a temporary lowering of immunity. the only explanation i have for this particular phenomena that has occured to me two times within all bad hit experiences - is that it is a result of directly injecting a virus, or as seems more likely, particulate matter containing the viral-infection upon it.


what opiaterock described sounds nothing like a bad hit or cotton fever, i mean - yes, the precipitated-withdrawal-type effects do often elicit shaking, as in most severe withdrawals - but he didnt mention any associated fever, sweating, coldness etc that are by far the most prominent of immediate unwanted effects following a dirty hit. shakes just sound like shakes, even judge-sober folks get those once in a while. wouldnt worry about it s'long as its fairly infrequent and short lasting

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

the lemon juice thing is that a particular bacteria grows on/in it that can cause blindness. ive only ever used lemon juice once : my first ever dig. one of my eyes swelled up grotesquely, as if id been koshed. and though the poor guy who had acquiesced into getting me was shitting himself, it soon went down and wasnt enough to put me off injecting - but i always made sure to use sterile ascorbic/ascetic acid after that. even when desperate, have never used vinegar. though its probably safer in theory than lemon juice, the taste of it subsequently is meant to be overwhelming and altogether an unpleasant experience to undergo

 

[Shambles]

As I said, BHM, I have no actual evidence for any of it one way or t'other. Simply passing on what I had passed on to me by my junky elders.

A shot that produces nothing at all beyond sickness (ie zero high at any point, just sick from the getgo until you are well enough to go score again a few hours down the line) = "dirty hit"
A shot that produces intense shaking, cold shivers and joint aches but passes within an hour or so leaving you with the remnants of a high to still enjoy = "cotton fever"

Never said any of this was FACT! Just what I've always known the two different states to be called is all.

EDIT: Lemon juice hits are just plain nasty. Have done a few times (not many but a few) due to desperation and lack of alternatives. Vinegar hits (use distilled not malt if you must use vinegar for whatever reason (there really aren't that many reasons I can think of but still...)) certainly... take your breath away D) but are theoretically "safe" compared with lemon juice. Still not a good idea, obviously. Totally strips the lining from your throat - not really, I'm sure, but doesn't half feel like it

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

aye, twas malt i had infront of me at the time. gave it a shake n fuck me ive seen clearer snowglobes. like ter fuck is that going anywhere near my veins

 

[Shambles]

It was actually malt I used. Sarson's to be specific. And yes, it does taste like IVing a fish supper

Long time ago, I hasten to add. Back when I knew no better. I genuinely do consider myself lucky to have survived half the shit I did before I discovered BL

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

aye, half the things ive survived goes so far against conventional h.r that i would be immediately banned should i begin to divulge on them. told one member recently about a few, but generally am too ashamed to admit. all i know is, at last test - i was virus free and have all major limbs in working order - and that is a small miracle in of itself


i have very little self preservation where needles and drugs are involved. we share a very uneasy, post-romantic living arrangement due to the necessity of other drugs being administered intravenously. but i have to be very careful - they sing to me

 

[Shambles]

I'm probably kinda lucky (inna shitey sorta way) that I couldn't go back to IV use if I tried. Literally not a vein to be found unless I went for neck or groin. And I promised myself I'd never do that - not cos I have any superiority bullshit, simply because I had to draw a line I wouldn't cross to prove to myself I wouldn't cross it.

I really wish I'd had a notion of HR when I first embarked on my druggy career proper (around age 15). The interwebz didn't exist back then though (not in this form anyway) and I wouldn't have even thought to look if it did. It really was just down to whatever the older folk around you passed on at the time. Some of it was good advice, most of it was terrible advice. I'm fairly sure I'd have a vein or two left even now if I'd had a clue

Ah well, hopefully others will learn from our experience and, more importantly perhaps, our mistakes.

 

[opiaterock]

Speaking of white rocks - I was a crack virgin until I went on holiday to Mallorca in 2012.. I was initially looking for brown because I had an average habit at the time.. this was in fact what brought me here to Bluelight in the first place; to try and find out was there a H scene in Mallorca (here is the link, my very first thread here at BL -

http://bluelight.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-631464.html

Anyway I think that thread was closed for borderline sourcing , so when I got there I decided I had to find the area in Palma where the bag heads liked to hang out and take it from there..An iced cappuchino and some key Google searches ("drogadicto", "heroina" "palma mallorca" ) later and I was standing outside a cathedral looking to get arrested or robbed, still wasn't sure which was more likely, luckily I had smoked the last of the gear I had brought from Ireland that morning so was pretty calm. The first promising lead I had was a short tubby bald guy who was obviously fucked out of his head. He sat in the street alternating between cycling his BMX and rolling joints (people seemed to smoke weed there like cigarettes actually) while nodding out with a handful of his mates - I tried to get his attention but he nor any of his posse spoke English and with my Spanish being non-existent I began to think this was going to be a very long week!! Eventually I thought I had made a breakthrough when he replied 'Si, si' and motioned me up a side street - sorted!! The relief washed over me!! - It turned out that he thought I wanted hash and was bringing me to get a piece, so I made a jabbing motion towards my basillic vein, his sunken eyes lit up as if he had found his long lost missing dog and after some frantic discussions (he now suddenly had an elderly addict beside him who spoke a little English) organised a lift for us to a little place called 'Son Banya'



This place was fucking nuts, brown and powder 24/7, 365 all sold by a gang of gypsies who basically had built their shantytown into a fortress surrounded by a ten foot fence and one entry point - this meant that if the Policia did carry out a raid it was in vain as they would be seen coming literally a mile away from the houses where the drugs were kept.

The sole entry point is shown in this picture, if you can see where the main road intersects with the diagonal road leading into Son Banya (bottom left of photo) -

So finally it looked like we were getting somewhere - the bags were €15 so I offered to buy one for them to share (the fat guy and the old guy) in exchange for them organising my stuff and showing me how to get to Son Banya. I was starting to feel withdrawals now and this was the second day of a week holiday so there was some kind of urgency needed! But we still had no lift (Son Banya is about 10-15 minute drive from Palma)

Next thing I know I'm squashed into the back of a Ford Ka, one of the very first ones with barely space for two people in the back, stuck between the two Spanish guys - as we left the city heading towards the airport I can't honestly say I felt safe at all, after all heading to a Spanish shanty town to buy heroin from gypsy gangs isn't exactly the Balearic Island postcard picture is it?

So now there was four guys along with me and the two in the front were speaking English, turns out they were going there to buy white and wash it up into crack. The driver was Dutch lets call him 'Bobby' & the other dude in the front I don't know where he was from as he couldn't speak Spanish and Bobby was speaking English to him but he was replying in broken English.

Well the original two guys got me the H but I ended up talking to Danny while they were gone and once he got rid of them all back in Palma we went back to Son Banya and Bobby brought me into meet the main H and coke dealers (there are lots of houses that sell drugs there but the one with the best coke was a guy we will refer to as 'Nito' and the H was sold by a group of women that lived in their own shacks - these people didn't really live in houses as we know them, they are made of concrete but you would describe them more as shacks - although complete with 50 inch flatscreen TV's, iPads full air conditioning, satellite TVs etc. NOTE: These might only be descriptive of the houses that we visited - there were of course also genuinely poor people living there in squalid conditions that most third world denizens would not have to put up with but we only visited a few of the drug dealers houses - opulent on the inside and looking the same as the other houses from the outside).

How can communities like this be present in an EU country? As far as I could tell Son Banya doesn't have bin collections (the streets are strewn with rubbish and waste food which stray dogs roam to eat / clean running water (they buy bottled water and carry it to their homes themselves) or electricity wires (some seem to use generators whereas other seemed to somehow tap a nearby grid)

The place is nuts it's totally lawless, the police don't operate within the shanty town itself apart from the odd raid and even then they don't target users - from what I saw they tolerate heroin and coke at least to some degree (one day we were stopped driving in with a crack pipe and a litre bottle of ammonia but once they were satisfied it was for personal use they let us in and didn't bother to search us on the way out), there is even a bus that travels into Son Banya and stops in the middle of it - according to reports in Spanish / local papers the majority of passengers are addicts travelling there to score, the bus driver said he only has one rule that the passengers don't consume their products until after they leave his bus.

So yes back to the point, the freebase. The powder coke went for €6 per 1/10 of a gram and the minimum you could buy was 0.2 for €12. I had seen Bobby wash up the powder for the guy I mentioned earlier so since I wanted to try it I got €30 cash for 0.5 of white and €15 for another bag of - we drove into the nearest 'town' beside Son Banya (also populated mainly by Gypsies but these ones lived in caravans in the fields around Son Ferriol and Son Banya) and parked up to smoke. Bobby washed up the half gram and what came back was almost the exact same size, with half a gram of crack and a quarter gram of H between us we smoked for a good 90 minutes at least. I had never had a buzz like that before, a little bit like good coke but not really, it's not possible to explain how good it felt on that smoking session - especially after the first blast BOOM!!! Like my head was ready to explode but in a good way, I wish I knew how to put it into words but it's like any drug words don't do it justice.

I was there for ten days and I think all but two of them I smoked ridiculous amounts of crack driving around Mallorca with a Dutch lunatic, a nice crack pipe and a bottle of ammonia. Anyway there is lots more to the story but it's 03:57 and I have to be up for work at 08:30!!

. The quality has been dire for a good decade or so. Total waste of time. Y'all kiddies don't know what coke is

So Shambles come to Son Banya sometime !! I know though you are totally right about the last nine or ten years in Ireland certainly it has declined in quality drastically, I started coke a bit later than my mates (who all stopped now the irony!!) it would have been about 2004/2005 when I first took powder in Ireland and it was awesome for around 6 months or a year but it just became so so bad, it's hardly even worth doing it nowadays! There is sporadically some decent in Ireland but you would need to know certain people and still pay a premium.

Anyway I just wanted to point out that because the powder in Ireland & the UK is poor does not mean us 'kiddies' don't know good stuff when we are lucky enough to get it ..

EDIT: Brimz I think you told me you visited Son Banya before ya? It's mental right?.... Also 'Bobby' (not his real name)_ must have changed his phone number or something happened to him over there because after about 6 months I couldn't get through to him anymore. I know it's a long shot but if anyone knows a Dutch guy about 40sh who lives in Mallorca and likes his crack and gear then PM me,. I wanna get in touch with him again

DISCLAIMER: I also didn't want to convey that crack is good in this post I just wanted to share my experience that particular week and also to make a comment on the injustice in society that exists within a major EU country (I know that not all countries are just but in Spain it seems to be extreme maybe other people have seen worse examples in EU member states?)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Re: crap crack: it seems to be the one substance that people will still buy no matter how shit it is because they're still chasing that high. It's a dealer's wet sream really - the shitter the product the more you sell!

*moved from meetup thread*

 

[opiaterock]

Woahhh hahaha I was really f'd up last night to type so much

 

[brimz]

I've been there ,as well . I went with this Danish couple. I clocked em [parking cars to make some money n just straight said i would buy em one of each if they would take me to score .

The guy replied in perfect English "yeah ok but we will have to get a tAxi " .

It was powder Coke i didn't bother washing it up as i had a snowball , Then Ticked off another European City in my book !!

It was better than Seville Not as good as Porto Or Even Surprisingly This comes in the top 3 in the world well the places i have been RHYL yes north Wales RHYL either there or Lisbon .

after all heading to a Spanish shanty town to buy heroin from gypsy gangs isn't exactly the Balearic Island postcard picture is it?

F
Ukin living the Dream Mate what ya on bout ?:D

BTW It's got fuk all on Alexio , Son Banya if you can get there is a 100% score Alexio is like a fukin war zone you have to get past all the scammers b4 you get to the real stuff . It's so fukin dangerous that the bit where you cop isn't even on Street View .

Rua Escura is ok if you have big bollox n don't give FLYING FUK as that is a tourist part but if shit pops off in Alexio it disrupts the supply for the whole of the City n u have to go to Viso n buy off the young uns which is ok if it didn't stink off piss so much on that estate .

[video=youtube_share;7GK76VmfZ_E]http://youtu.be/7GK76VmfZ_E[/video]
Aleixo, "the largest drug supermarket of the north ' is considered one of the greatest centers of drug trafficking in the country. Along one of the towers of the Aleixo neighborhood in Porto, purchase and consumption of drugs are made ​​openly.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

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pretty epic, opiaterock

 

[wcote]

Always been bit behind, you originally from Portugal brmiz?

 

[brimz]

NO i have no relatives . The only tenous link is my Old Mans 1st wife was A Portuguese

I know plenty of People in Porto & Faro n a few in Lisbon . I probably spent best part of 3 years over there in total .