Benzos tapering off subs want to hear some advice

[Fukkheroin!]

Hey been reading these post for a couple days thought i would post one since i couldnt find any threads that is simmilar to my situation. anyways heres the back story before i get into it. about two years ago i tried smoking h being stupid i thought i could controll this high and stop whenever i wanted but two years later i found myself still using but i was always able to maintain a low dose maybe a .4-.2 a day between me and my girl anyway i quit the opiote bullshit about two months ago i dont remember the day its wasnt all monumental to me i didnt care bout the date i was just happy to be off i started taking subs and i already knew subs were powerfull before i started so i started taking them the first four days i took a quarter strip once a day i think it comes out to 2mg a day. then i would cut up my sub strips to 16 peices if my math is correct it was .5 mg i did two a day for a couple weeks then i cut them even smaller and thats were im at now im now taking about .025mg a day it didnt really help at first i still felt withdrawls but it helped just enough to get by but the last 3 days i havent been withdrawling at all still taking .025mg a day my sleep fuckin sucks no matter what i take tylonal nyquil whatever it doesnt help i get like 2-5 hrs of sleep a day but never feeling to bad i was thinking since i been on .025 for about 4 or 5 days now i can start cutting those in half and do .0125 for a while then try skipping days if i can. my main question is has anyone been through this before doing the micro doseing like this? will i withdrawl for hella long? what kind of over the counter meds can i find to take away the restless legs? and has anyone ever successfully quit subs using the same method as me? if so was it painfull? Im a full-time college student and full time worker so i need to get off all this bullshit and get my life together i been doing great just this last bad habbit i need to drop. any words of advice or input would be great. ya'all have a blessed day and fight the urge to use. life is so much better sober makes me wonder why i even did drugs to began with.

ps. i know i have run-on sentences and misspells its late and i have lack of sleep and lack of interest in proof reading this.
and thanks to everyone who checked this out and gave input

 

[Fukkheroin!]

oh and by the way i think i been on subs for 1 1/2 months now i dont know if that info is nessasary but i thought i'd mention it

 

[Topmid]

i've tapered off of subs multiple times yet i always go back to heroin... usually after 2 weeks. but the reason i always go back is not because of withdrawals, it's because of mental cravings. i read awhile back that heroin withdrawals peak after 72 hours so i feel like once you get to a couple days past that it is mostly willpower to stay off. my tapers usually go like this:

day 1 (18-24 hrs after last dose of h): 4mg sub
day 2: 2mg sub
day 3: 1mg sub
day 4: 1mg sub

then i stop. i'm usually good whenever i do this and i hardly withdraw from the suboxone since i only use it for 4 days. i think the longer you stay on suboxone the worse the withdrawals will get, so i think it's important to minimize the days you use it. of course i'm a poly drug user, so once i get off subs i will occasionally take some benzos, or do some coke, or take some mdma once in awhile. they keep my mind off of using opiates and i don't feel as addicted anymore. i don't find any of them addictive and have no desire to use any of them on a daily basis. it's important not to switch addictions so you gotta be careful. weed will help with sleep and relaxing your mind if you smoke.

i don't know, 1mg sub barely does anything for me, so i just don't see a point in going below that, but a lot of people do when tapering so it's all up to you. fwiw i IV heroin, usually a .1 shot twice a day at most.

good luck man! it's not easy...

 

[Fukkheroin!]

man i hope i dont go through the withdrawls i just took my last .025mg and like i said lately it takes away a 100% of the withdrawls away but i sweat and cant sleep for shit i took 3 tylonal pms and a qualanipine idk how to spell the last pill but i think u know what im talkin bout. i took all that and still wide ass awake with only 2 hrs of sleep yesterday. you got any advice on the sleep issue? and u think the amount of subs im taking is so small that its not even doing anything to me and its all in my head? maybe i should just take the jump but i always feel fine all day then when i go to bed i get the tense legs and always end up taking the tiny piece of sub . i wanna get off the subs and live a sober life hella bad and i cant really taper any lower because ive never had a sub doc because of lack of money and cant get any subs off the streets cuz i cut out all the dope heads outa my life two months ago... i remember back in the day i use to look down on feins and know i was better than that when i realized i was slowly becoming what i hated most is when i just had so much shame in what i was doing i had to quit.. i know this is extra info but im wide awake and bored at 2am lol good luckk with ur sobriety playa oh by the way i dont really have an addictive personality so im open to substituting one drug for another as long as the side affects arent like subs or H but i dont think the coke would help with my anxiety and tenseness. lol funny thing is i tried getting drunk to take my mind off the withdrawls and ya... bad idea... i just ended up drunk as shit and tense as fuck made the withdrawl way worse

 

[RTrain]

i don't know, 1mg sub barely does anything for me, so i just don't see a point in going below that, but a lot of people do when tapering so it's all up to you. fwiw i IV heroin, usually a .1 shot twice a day at most.

good luck man! it's not easy...

1 mg is barely gonna do anything when you are still dependent on a full agonist opiate/oid. But if you stayed on it for a week you would get past that point and then 1 mg of Sub would feel the difference of being sick or not, not just taking the edge off.


To OP, I think you basically used the Suboxone in the best way. Enough time to settle down and deal with life not getting high everyday, but not too long that stopping the Suboxone is a real struggle. Of course after you stop it will be tough to steer clear of opiates all together, but staying on the Subs for months to years is just delaying that inevitability. If you are down to .0125 mg/day, I have to imagine your withdrawals should be minimal. I've done it before but only went to around .05 mg and barely noticed when I stopped. I did take clonazepam (low dose .5-1 mg) roughly every other day when I stopped, but I was taking it when tapering the Subs too and when I stopped the Subs there didn't seem to be much noticeable difference.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Micro dosing is the best way to come off subs. I, and many of us here, have been through that.

If you can get down to .125mg's, which you said you are doing, you will be in good shape. The horror stories about kicking suboxone are really more from when people come off at way too high of a dose. If you detox in the sub-milligram range, especially at a micro dose like .125mg's, the withdrawals are very bearable.

 

[bayleaf]

I tapered off of subs pretty easily. I was taking 4mgs a day. I find that the more you decrease the more your discomfort levels increase obviously. The key is ( i found) to find a happy medium where youre able to go about your day with as little discomfort as possible while making a decrease in your dose. Dont go too quickly. I was on and off suboxone in about two months and managed to feel pretty normal throughout the taper.

 

[RTrain]

Ok, I kind of noticed he went from taking .5 directly to .025, I didn't really read it straight thru so thought there was additional tapering to that low dose. Obviously he means he is at .25. I was kind of thinking that .025 was a damn low dose to even notice the difference of having it or not, .25 makes it more reasonable and the concern more justified. Still just do as planned, down to .125 and stopping that will be pretty easy.

 

[Fukkheroin!]

im actually not sure what doesage i was taking i was kinda just using math to get a rough estimate but when i am not on subs after quiting h i deffinetly feel the withdrawls i get tense as shit and cant sleep for shit. when i quit h i start off by getting 3 subs and i cut each sub into 22-25 peices my first 3 days i end up taking 4-5 tiny ass peices to feel normal then work my way to 2 peices one in the a.m then before bed after about a week or so i start doing one a dau around 8pm as i go on i still take the same dosage but try and take it later and later 9pm 10pm 11pm and some nights i try and pass out before i take it so i'll skip a day i know the doesage is mad low and alot of people say its so small it prob isn't even doing anything but thats not true i do get super tense when im not takin it. so with this information i was wondering if anyone can take a guess on how long i should taper for