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black53

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This is an idea I've been toying with for a long time. Mostly to prove to myself I can do it. Anyway, here's the procedure I had in mind:
1. dissolve the powder in bacteriostatic water
2. filter the solution using a 0.22um filter
3. inject the solution in a sterile glass vial (those with the rubber top (obviously wipe the top with alcohol before injecting))
4. store the vial in the fridge between uses

Is there anything I'm missing sterility wise here?

Which psy would be good for this? I was thinking 2c-c or 2c-d or a combination of both. Would also love 4-ho-met, but don't know how to keep it stable in water... perhaps if I immediately drew it out in to 1 dose syringes and froze those? Would it be stable in frozen water?
 
I know it's been done before, I'm not claiming to be the first person to come up with it, just that I've been thinking of doing it myself once. Sorry if it reads like I'm claiming that this is something new that's never been done before, it's just new for me (or is going to be if I do it). And I'm asking if I missed anything regarding sterility, which psys would be good, and if anyone knows if 4-ho-met in water still degrades if it's frozen.
 
Yep, that's pretty much it. I'm not a doctor, but I worked at a pharmaceuticals company briefly, and that's basically how we sterilized our IV drugs.

Just make sure not to open the needle or syringe filter before you use it, sterilize the septum before piercing it, and be aware that anything you touch is no longer sterile. Inject it through the filter straight into the vial. You'll obviously need a vent needle as well.

http://www.basskilleronline.com/caymen/tn_filter-into-sterile-vial.jpg
 
I have some experience with im injections and knew about not opening the needles/syringes/filters and other stuff you mentioned, just didn't write it in my first post, because it seems obvious to me. Still thanks for writing it out, maybe someone else will also want to do this experiment and isn't aware of this stuff.

Any ideas on substances and 4-ho-mets stability in frozen water?
 
^Ice will keep it active for longer than you live, just make sure whatever you cool the solution in won't shatter when the water volume increases upon freezing. The other issue with freezing is it can never stay melted for long without risking degradation.
 
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psood0nym said:
^Ice will keep it active for longer than you live, just make sure whatever you cool the solution in won't shatter when the water volume increases upon freezing. The other issue with freezing is it can never stay melted for long without risking degradation.
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Thanks, I'd draw it out in separate insulin syringes, one per dose, and freeze those. I can leave some air inside for the expansion and being melted for long wouldn't be an issue since I'd basically unfreeze inject and that would be that.
 
If you're going to IV then DMT or Ketamine would be my psychedelics of choice. I've IVed 2cb but the pain was intense and the rush unpleasant.
 
IM psilocin and ketamine in the same barrel would be the traditional choice, no?
 
babylonboy said:
IM psilocin and ketamine in the same barrel would be the traditional choice, no?
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Heh, well I don't know about traditional, but I've certainly talked it up over the years. 4-AcO-DMT and ketamine IMed is pretty similar. Another great IM ketamine combo I've read a lot of people rave about is DPT and ketamine.
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Which psy would be good for this? I was thinking 2c-c or 2c-d or a combination of both.
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I've IMed my share of 2C-E and 2C-P, but even though I prefer the route the onset is pretty hairy. Many would find it too fast and stimulating to justify. I believe Captain Heroin reported finding just 5 mg of 2C-E IMed far more intense than he anticipated. Tryptamines aren't so stimulating. If you have aMT HCl that's a good candidate for IMing since it cuts the onset to under and hour and increases potency maybe three fold over oral. DPT also benefits quite a bit from IM administration relative to insufflation.
 
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^Is the mention of "IM", "ketamine" and "psilocin" in the same breath on the internet like your Bat-Signal? ;)

I've said it before (not with this username, you might remember me as vader or yerg, no biggie if not), but that trip report of yours is the best I have ever seen, and I have read it myself many times and shared it with others often. Kudos (still, again).
 
Thanks for all the comments, I'd mostly like to stick to legal compounds so dmt, psilocin, 4-ho-dmt, 4-aco-dmt and 2c-e aren't my ideal choices. 2c-p is legal here, but with the doses being so low and IV making them even lower, I wouldn't really trust my scale to be accurate enough. 2c-c and 2c-d are legal + the doses aren't that low, so weighing wouldn't be a problem, the stimulation is something I don't really like... anyone know if IV 2c-c is much more stimulating than oral/nasal?

The main reason for wanting to do it with 4-ho-met is that it's a compound I know I enjoy, and with freezing solving the stability issues... From the reports I've read DPT sounds interesting as well...

And ketamine while being illegal is something I've wanted to try for some time, so...
 
^ IV 2cb definitely gave a stimulant-type rush. This is the only 2c chemical I have tried though (and it was so good I never bothered with the rest). I felt like it was too intense though, the stimulation and increased heart rate+psychedelic bitch slap got a bit too much for me.
 
IMHO IM/IV is the only way to do DPT. It's barely active orally (you have to take near 250mgs, which is enough to induce severe nausea), and I really hate doing it nasally because for some reason it really messes with your sinuses (this isn't just for me, most of my friend who have done it say that they have trouble breathing through their nose for two or three days following the experience), which I find very distracting while tripping. Just make sure you don't try to IM it and hit a vein... I did that once and inadvertently ended up IVing 60mg of the stuff O.o

edit: I wouldn't recommend injecting 2c's... They are very strong bases, and I could see that messing with your blood PH / being very painful.
 
Ok, so the 2c-s are out. Now it's either 4-ho-met or dpt. Anyone suppose a mix of both would be good?
 
black53 said:
Thanks for all the comments, I'd mostly like to stick to legal compounds so dmt, psilocin, 4-ho-dmt, 4-aco-dmt and 2c-e aren't my ideal choices. 2c-p is legal here, but with the doses being so low and IV making them even lower, I wouldn't really trust my scale to be accurate enough. 2c-c and 2c-d are legal + the doses aren't that low, so weighing wouldn't be a problem, the stimulation is something I don't really like... anyone know if IV 2c-c is much more stimulating than oral/nasal?

The main reason for wanting to do it with 4-ho-met is that it's a compound I know I enjoy, and with freezing solving the stability issues... From the reports I've read DPT sounds interesting as well...

And ketamine while being illegal is something I've wanted to try for some time, so...
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I'm pretty sure any 2C-X will be highly stimulating IMed, and significantly more so IVed. The beauty of IMing though is that you can start with an amount you know is too small, plateau in around 15 minutes with most psychedelics, and use wherever you're at to gauge how much more of your pre-made concentration will be needed to get you where you want to be. From my experiences with IMing the 4-sub-DMT's I imagine IM 4-ho-MET would be enjoyable. You could try a mix with DPT. I personally prefer combos where the two drugs have fairly distinct qualities, like aMT and DPT, though (5-MeO-aMT could also work, just keep the dose low to mostly avoid the side effects). 4-ho-MET with aMT would be quite nice, too, I'm betting. Another good candidate for IMing or IVing is MET since it's fairly DMT-like.
babylonboy said:
^Is the mention of "IM", "ketamine" and "psilocin" in the same breath on the internet like your Bat-Signal? ;)
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Heh heh...
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"I swear officer that's just the antidote to Joker Venom in my utility belt!"

I've said it before (not with this username, you might remember me as vader or yerg, no biggie if not), but that trip report of yours is the best I have ever seen, and I have read it myself many times and shared it with others often. Kudos (still, again).
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Oh sure I remember you mostly as Vader saying that, but yeah I remember you as Yerg, too. I enjoyed writing that report most of any of them. I was sort of leery about alienating people with the automatic body movement stuff though, so I'm especially glad to hear someone enjoyed it so much. (I've been struggling on and off for years with finishing another one about a seizure vision resulting from 4-AcO-DPT and 1,4 butandiol, though that's definitely one for the "Difficult Experiences" section.)
 
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There's air in the vial, as you inject the filtered solution it's pressure would increase making continued injection difficult. A vent needle allows the excess air to move out and solves this problem.

Similarly when drawing liquid from a multi use vial, you first draw air into the syringe (same amount as the liquid you want to draw out), push in the syringe, inject the air, and draw the liquid. If you don't do that, you create a vacuum which makes it difficult to draw out the liquid.
 
Interesting. Thanks for the descriptive response.

Why bother with making vials and making things so complicated? Just mix up the powder with some water in the bottom of a soda can, draw it up, and shoot it.
 
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